I actually think the Cowboys have become less creative on draft day and therefore less dynamic

[Awakened]

Peter King describes a scenario where Baltimore offered us their 4th round pick (#104) to move up in the first round from #6 to #4 to take Jaylen Ramsey. Stephen told them it would take their 3rd round pick (#70) to swap. According to the standard draft value chart, what the Cowboys were asking was reasonable, especially considering Ramsey was the target.

However, the Ravens never called. In a stare down, Dallas lost out on picking up extra draft picks and still getting their guy. It is unlikely the Jags would have taken Zeke or traded out of their spot.

So my question is why not call the Ravens back and say "we'll take two of your 4th round picks (#104, #130) to make the swap"? The Ravens still had two Comp picks in the 4th (#132, #134), and the draft value chart says they come out ahead in the trade. The Cowboys still get their guy and end up with TWO extra picks in the 4th round, which they could have obviously used to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd round if they wanted.

It just seems like what Jimmy would have done. Not just Jimmy, but other dynamic GMs who keep working at finding best value in an opportunity, rather than just sitting there in a staring contest that we eventually lost.

 

[zrinkill]

But...... but ........ fading?

 

[bsheeern]

It was reported that Dallas wanted to know who Baltimore was going to take and they wouldn't tell. It's what was reported on NFL network. Don't know if that is true or not

 

[speedkilz88]

Peter King describes a scenario where Baltimore offered us their 4th round pick (#104) to move up in the first round from #6 to #4 to take Jaylen Ramsey. Stephen told them it would take their 3rd round pick (#70) to swap. According to the standard draft value chart, what the Cowboys were asking was reasonable, especially considering Ramsey was the target.

However, the Ravens never called. In a stare down, Dallas lost out on picking up extra draft picks and still getting their guy. It is unlikely the Jags would have taken Zeke or traded out of their spot.

So my question is why not call the Ravens back and say "we'll take three of your 4th round picks (#104, #107, #130) to make the swap"? The Ravens still had two Comp picks in the 4th (#132, #134), and the draft value chart says they come out ahead in the trade. The Cowboys still get their guy and end up with THREE extra picks in the 4th round, which they could have obviously used to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd round if they wanted.

It just seems like what Jimmy would have done. Not just Jimmy, but other dynamic GMs who keep working at finding best value in an opportunity, rather than just sitting there in a staring contest that we eventually lost.

What makes you think the ravens would have done that? Two 4ths I think would have evened the trade out but I don't think they do that either. If the ravens wanted that pick they would have countered the 3rd offer.

 

[Jenky]

Peter King describes a scenario where Baltimore offered us their 4th round pick (#104) to move up in the first round from #6 to #4 to take Jaylen Ramsey. Stephen told them it would take their 3rd round pick (#70) to swap. According to the standard draft value chart, what the Cowboys were asking was reasonable, especially considering Ramsey was the target.

However, the Ravens never called. In a stare down, Dallas lost out on picking up extra draft picks and still getting their guy. It is unlikely the Jags would have taken Zeke or traded out of their spot.

So my question is why not call the Ravens back and say "we'll take three of your 4th round picks (#104, #107, #130) to make the swap"? The Ravens still had two Comp picks in the 4th (#132, #134), and the draft value chart says they come out ahead in the trade. The Cowboys still get their guy and end up with THREE extra picks in the 4th round, which they could have obviously used to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd round if they wanted.

It just seems like what Jimmy would have done. Not just Jimmy, but other dynamic GMs who keep working at finding best value in an opportunity, rather than just sitting there in a staring contest that we eventually lost.

How'd we lose when we got our guy and they didn't get theirs?

Also how do you know that the Jags wouldn't trade their pick if their primary target (Ramsey) was off the board?

 

[HellCrowe]

Peter King describes a scenario where Baltimore offered us their 4th round pick (#104) to move up in the first round from #6 to #4 to take Jaylen Ramsey. Stephen told them it would take their 3rd round pick (#70) to swap. According to the standard draft value chart, what the Cowboys were asking was reasonable, especially considering Ramsey was the target.

However, the Ravens never called. In a stare down, Dallas lost out on picking up extra draft picks and still getting their guy. It is unlikely the Jags would have taken Zeke or traded out of their spot.

So my question is why not call the Ravens back and say "we'll take three of your 4th round picks (#104, #107, #130) to make the swap"? The Ravens still had two Comp picks in the 4th (#132, #134), and the draft value chart says they come out ahead in the trade. The Cowboys still get their guy and end up with THREE extra picks in the 4th round, which they could have obviously used to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd round if they wanted.

It just seems like what Jimmy would have done. Not just Jimmy, but other dynamic GMs who keep working at finding best value in an opportunity, rather than just sitting there in a staring contest that we eventually lost.

We wanted to Zeke and anyone could have jumped in front of us to get him if we traded even two spots back. Doesn't have to be the jags as long as the pot is sweetened it could happen. Not a Zeke fan I presume?

 

[Galian Beast]

There is something to say for just going out and getting your guy without getting overly cute about it.

Would it have been nice to come out with more picks that we could have packaged to move around more? Sure, but getting two of the top 5-10 players in this draft, after getting 3 of the top 32 last year? It is pretty creative to me.

 

[Awakened]

We wanted to Zeke and anyone could have jumped in front of us to get him if we traded even two spots back. Doesn't have to be the jags as long as the pot is sweetened it could happen. Not a Zeke fan I presume?

No, love Zeke and happy with the pick. Here's the thing - if the Cowboys thought it was likely the would lose Zeke they wouldn't have even contemplated trading for the Raven's third round pick.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think Dallas seriously considered Bosa, Ramsey, and Elliott for several weeks, and in the end, they had convinced themselves, rightly or wrongly, that Elliott was the guy they truly wanted, not just one of the guys, but the guy. They started celebrating after the second QB was selected because that meant Elliott was theirs as they imagined SD was taking Ramsey. When SD surprised them and took Bosa, I think they were stunned for a second as he was likely their #2 choice, and that may have ended the trade talk.

I think they had found a lot of reasons (some of which I don't agree with) for why Elliott would be the guy to impact the team the most going forward, and they were not going to risk losing him.

I think the same thing happened in round 2. They wanted Ogbah and Smith, but when Ogbah was gone, they were truly in a pickle. They weren't going to lose the only other guy they had on the board targeted for round 2, so they took him right there.

 

[Awakened]

I edited my original post when I realized Baltimore didn't have #107 at the time, but my point remains the same - be creative, pick up a couple of 4th round picks, and maybe next year's 4th rounder as well.

 

[HellCrowe]

No, love Zeke and happy with the pick. Here's the thing - if the Cowboys thought it was likely the would lose Zeke they wouldn't have even contemplated trading for the Raven's third round pick.

Hence the trade didn't happen because of the fact that they could lose zeke. Of course you want to listen to offers but in watching that war room the staff looked absolute in their decision.

 

[Jenky]

I edited my original post when I realized Baltimore didn't have #107 at the time, but my point remains the same - be creative, pick up a couple of 4th round picks, and maybe next year's 4th rounder as well.

Be creative and risk losing your 1a) and 1b) guys for an additional 4th round pick doesn't make sense to me. They were right to ask for the 3rd.

 

[gimmesix]

Peter King describes a scenario where Baltimore offered us their 4th round pick (#104) to move up in the first round from #6 to #4 to take Jaylen Ramsey. Stephen told them it would take their 3rd round pick (#70) to swap. According to the standard draft value chart, what the Cowboys were asking was reasonable, especially considering Ramsey was the target.

However, the Ravens never called. In a stare down, Dallas lost out on picking up extra draft picks and still getting their guy. It is unlikely the Jags would have taken Zeke or traded out of their spot.

So my question is why not call the Ravens back and say "we'll take two of your 4th round picks (#104, #130) to make the swap"? The Ravens still had two Comp picks in the 4th (#132, #134), and the draft value chart says they come out ahead in the trade. The Cowboys still get their guy and end up with TWO extra picks in the 4th round, which they could have obviously used to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd round if they wanted.

It just seems like what Jimmy would have done. Not just Jimmy, but other dynamic GMs who keep working at finding best value in an opportunity, rather than just sitting there in a staring contest that we eventually lost.

I think fans are so in love with the art of the deal that they think one can always be worked out.

Look at all the draft scenarios in the draft zone. It's like Dallas can trade picks on a whim and get exactly what it wants.

 

[Awakened]

Hence the trade didn't happen because of the fact that they could lose zeke. Of course you want to listen to offers but in watching that war room the staff looked absolute in their decision.

Stephen called the Ravens. We wanted to trade down. We asked for their third round pick and expected them to give it to us. They kept waiting on the Ravens to call back, kept counting down the minutes. They were obviously comfortable with trading down two spots. Like I said, we got into a staring contest and lost, rather than being creative and getting some serious value.

 

[Awakened]

I think fans are so in love with the art of the deal that they think one can always be worked out.

Look at all the draft scenarios in the draft zone. It's like Dallas can trade picks on a whim and get exactly what it wants.

I'm not making up the scenario though. I'm responding to something that actually happened. Stephen called the Ravens and wanted to trade down.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think Dallas seriously considered Bosa, Ramsey, and Elliott for several weeks, and in the end, they had convinced themselves, rightly or wrongly, that Elliott was the guy they truly wanted, not just one of the guys, but the guy. They started celebrating after the second QB was selected because that meant Elliott was theirs as they imagined SD was taking Ramsey. When SD surprised them and took Bosa, I think they were stunned for a second as he was likely their #2 choice, and that may have ended the trade talk.

I think they had found a lot of reasons (some of which I don't agree with) for why Elliott would be the guy to impact the team the most going forward, and they were not going to risk losing him.

I think the same thing happened in round 2. They wanted Ogbah and Smith, but when Ogbah was gone, they were truly in a pickle. They weren't going to lose the only other guy they had on the board targeted for round 2, so they took him right there.

All reports were they did not want Bosa, he wasn't the quick twitch guy that Marinelli covets. FISH even said they were munching down pastries as Bosa was selected and it didn't faze them one bit.

 

[HellCrowe]

Stephen called the Ravens. We wanted to trade down. We asked for their third round pick and expected them to give it to us. They kept waiting on the Ravens to call back, kept counting down the minutes. They were obviously comfortable with trading down two spots. Like I said, we got into a staring contest and lost, rather than being creative and getting some serious value.

I think what we did is over bid for the Ravens pick and if that's a lost then whatever because we wanted and got Zeke Anyway. We would've been fine anyway but like I said we listen and take and make offers, in the end we got our guy and was satisfied even without those presumed extra picks we missed out on.

 

[CATCH17]

I get not trading down for Zeke in fear of Jacksonville repaying us for screwing them out of,the player they wanted.


What I don't get is selecting Jaylon Smith at 34.

Even if you just had to have him in the 2nd then move back and then go get him.

 

[Swanny]

We wanted to Zeke and anyone could have jumped in front of us to get him if we traded even two spots back. Doesn't have to be the jags as long as the pot is sweetened it could happen. Not a Zeke fan I presume?

I wasnt a a fan of Zeke over Ramsey. But it doesnt matter what I want. The Cowboys clearly wanted Zeke. In no way is it bad on the Cowboys for not trading down and then hoping Zeke is still there. If I was Jerry and I wanted Zeke I wouldnt have traded down either. The Ravens could have taken him and if the Ravens dont who says the Dolphins wont then trade up at the next pick to get Zeke. There are just too many IFs. The gamble isnt worth it if your number 1 target is available to take.

 

[Awakened]

Heck, even offer to exchange our early 4th rounder (#101) for their late 4th rounder (#130) in addition to swapping first round picks and getting their 3rd rounder. That would have made the trade pretty much even according to the draft value chart. Just be creative and make something happen rather than making one offer and sitting there.