I am becoming more and more convinced the Cowboys draft a QB

[CowboyRoy]

Will be taking a QB at some point with the first few picks. They have certainly shown more interest in prospects then they have in quite some time. That makes me happy. But I am still not convinced they are going to do what I believe they should, which is take one of the top two guys at #4 if they believe he is a franchise guy. I believe they are thinking Moore as the #2 and a rookie as the #3 guy. Maybe they bring in a veteran guy to compete for training camp after the draft.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Will be taking a QB at some point with the first few picks. They have certainly shown more interest in prospects then they have in quite some time. That makes me happy. But I am still not convinced they are going to do what I believe they should, which is take one of the top two guys at #4 if they believe he is a franchise guy. I believe they are thinking Moore as the #2 and a rookie as the #3 guy. Maybe they bring in a veteran guy to compete for training camp after the draft.

They will probably take Dak Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd (because they are afraid someone would take him in the 3rd or 4th before them)....OR they might make a play for Paxton Lynch if the trade value is not too bad.

For some reason I don't think they are interested in Cook even though they have met and/or worked him out. I think maybe Hack would be the next guy on their list.

After him I don't know if they even bother getting a QB if they don't get the first two or the ones above. I think if they do not get one of those guys they will do what they did last year with a RB and decide if they did not get one of the guys they liked after a point they will just ignore the position all together.

But that is just all speculation on my part so what do I know.

What I do know is that this is eerily similar to what was going on last year with the RB position prior to the draft. They brought in, met with a multitude of RBs from the top level to middle and lower round guys and it seemed like a foregone conclusion that they would take one yet they did not.

 

[CowboyRoy]

They will probably take Dak Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd (because they are afraid someone would take him in the 3rd or 4th before them)....OR they might make a play for Paxton Lynch if the trade value is not too bad.

For some reason I don't think they are interested in Cook even though they have met and/or worked him out. I think maybe Hack would be the next guy on their list.

After him I don't know if they even bother getting a QB if they don't get the first two or the ones above. I think if they do not get one of those guys they will do what they did last year with a RB and decide if they did not get one of the guys they liked after a point they will just ignore the position all together.

But that is just all speculation on my part so what do I know.

What I do know is that this is eerily similar to what was going on last year with the RB position prior to the draft. They brought in, met with a multitude of RBs from the top level to middle and lower round guys and it seemed like a foregone conclusion that they would take one yet they did not.

I completely agree with you on all of this.

 

[Stash]

They will probably take Dak Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd (because they are afraid someone would take him in the 3rd or 4th before them)....OR they might make a play for Paxton Lynch if the trade value is not too bad.

For some reason I don't think they are interested in Cook even though they have met and/or worked him out. I think maybe Hack would be the next guy on their list.

After him I don't know if they even bother getting a QB if they don't get the first two or the ones above. I think if they do not get one of those guys they will do what they did last year with a RB and decide if they did not get one of the guys they liked after a point they will just ignore the position all together.

But that is just all speculation on my part so what do I know.

What I do know is that this is eerily similar to what was going on last year with the RB position prior to the draft. They brought in, met with a multitude of RBs from the top level to middle and lower round guys and it seemed like a foregone conclusion that they would take one yet they did not.

I just hope that we're not sitting back and watching while this team makes another epic mistake that holds the franchise back for years.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I just hope that we're not sitting back and watching while this team makes another epic mistake that holds the franchise back for years.

If we are at 4 and Wentz and or Goff is there and we take them (whichever is there) it could turn out to be a mistake that sets this franchise back for years if they are not the QB they hope he is (whoever he is).

If we are at 4 and one or both are there and we don't take them, they could turn out to be franchise players and we will regret it.

If we pass but get a good QB later that pans out we will forget about this whole situation and be happy with who we got.

IF we don't and that other QB turns out great for another team we could regret it for years.

There are IF's involved in this. There no absolutes at this time and even though I really want us to take Wentz or Goff at 4 if they are there, it does not mean it is a mistake if we do not. Too many factors involved at this time.

Sadly too many are already setting themselves in stone to belittle the pick unless it is the pick they want and I doubt much will change their minds.

Years down the road we could look back on this draft and see that Wentz, Goff and Lynch were busts and the only good QBs that came out of it were some lower round guys.

Years down the road we could look back on this draft and see that the best player taken in the top 10 was not a QB but a DE or a DB or a LB.

So many factors so although I would be upset if we passed on Wentz if he is sitting there...I gotta keep in mind that just because I don't get what I want, does not mean it is bad for the team.

This team is at a spot where we can use help at a multitude of positions, more defense than offense, so we should SHOULD be coming out of this draft with a player that can make this team better, even if that player is not the one we think it should be.

 

[Stash]

If we are at 4 and Wentz and or Goff is there and we take them (whichever is there) it could turn out to be a mistake that sets this franchise back for years if they are not the QB they hope he is (whoever he is).

If we are at 4 and one or both are there and we don't take them, they could turn out to be franchise players and we will regret it.

If we pass but get a good QB later that pans out we will forget about this whole situation and be happy with who we got.

IF we don't and that other QB turns out great for another team we could regret it for years.

There are IF's involved in this. There no absolutes at this time and even though I really want us to take Wentz or Goff at 4 if they are there, it does not mean it is a mistake if we do not. Too many factors involved at this time.

Sadly too many are already setting themselves in stone to belittle the pick unless it is the pick they want and I doubt much will change their minds.

Years down the road we could look back on this draft and see that Wentz, Goff and Lynch were busts and the only good QBs that came out of it were some lower round guys.

Years down the road we could look back on this draft and see that the best player taken in the top 10 was not a QB but a DE or a DB or a LB.

So many factors so although I would be upset if we passed on Wentz if he is sitting there...I gotta keep in mind that just because I don't get what I want, does not mean it is bad for the team.

This team is at a spot where we can use help at a multitude of positions, more defense than offense, so we should SHOULD be coming out of this draft with a player that can make this team better, even if that player is not the one we think it should be.

I agree that any player can bust, but there are also plenty of factors in my opinion supporting the move to draft one of the two quarterbacks at #4 overall:

1) The more teams look into both players, the better they look. Both are highly-intelligent players who show the work ethic and the brains to not be the next Jamarcus Russell and both have shown that they're physically capable of playing the position.

2) Every day that passes shows that quarterback is the most valuable commodity in sports, and it's not even close. It's the position you can't get, no matter how much cap space you have. Teams simply don't let even marginal ones get away.

3) All measurable data shows that your odds of finding a quarterback only get worse the longer you wait, not better.

4) The health record of Tony Romo has not been good compared to other franchise quarterbacks and at age 36 can't be expected to get better.

5) This team and coaching staff has an atrocious track record of stocking the position, in all facets. Nothing they have done since Troy Aikman can be categorized as good.

6) This team is drafting in the top 4 for the first time in forever. Barring another historically terrible season, it's unreasonable to expect to be drafting anywhere close to here for the foreseeable future, making the task of drafting a franchise quarterback that much more difficult going forward.

No, to me, the rubber meets the road here and too many factors make this the most logical decision to make. But again, that's just one fan's opinion.

 

[BigStar]

They will probably take Dak Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd (because they are afraid someone would take him in the 3rd or 4th before them)....OR they might make a play for Paxton Lynch if the trade value is not too bad.

For some reason I don't think they are interested in Cook even though they have met and/or worked him out. I think maybe Hack would be the next guy on their list.

After him I don't know if they even bother getting a QB if they don't get the first two or the ones above. I think if they do not get one of those guys they will do what they did last year with a RB and decide if they did not get one of the guys they liked after a point they will just ignore the position all together.

But that is just all speculation on my part so what do I know.

What I do know is that this is eerily similar to what was going on last year with the RB position prior to the draft. They brought in, met with a multitude of RBs from the top level to middle and lower round guys and it seemed like a foregone conclusion that they would take one yet they did not.

My reaction summarized:

 

[big dog cowboy]

There are IF's involved in this. There no absolutes at this time and even though I really want us to take Wentz or Goff at 4 if they are there, it does not mean it is a mistake if we do not. Too many factors involved at this time.

The exact reason I don't buy into the 'we have to go QB at 4' theory.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree that any player can bust, but there are also plenty of factors in my opinion supporting the move to draft one of the two quarterbacks at #4 overall:

1) The more teams look into both players, the better they look. Both are highly-intelligent players who show the work ethic and the brains to not be the next Jamarcus Russell and both have shown that they're physically capable of playing the position.

2) Every day that passes shows that quarterback is the most valuable commodity in sports, and it's not even close. It's the position you can't get, no matter how much cap space you have. Teams simply don't let even marginal ones get away.

3) All measurable data shows that your odds of finding a quarterback only get worse the longer you wait, not better.

4) The health record of Tony Romo has not been good compared to other franchise quarterbacks and at age 36 can't be expected to get better.

5) This team and coaching staff has an atrocious track record of stocking the position, in all facets. Nothing they have done since Troy Aikman can be categorized as good.

6) This team is drafting in the top 4 for the first time in forever. Barring another historically terrible season, it's unreasonable to expect to be drafting anywhere close to here for the foreseeable future, making the task of drafting a franchise quarterback that much more difficult going forward.

No, to me, the rubber meets the road here and too many factors make this the most logical decision to make. But again, that's just one fan's opinion.

Most of these high end QBs always look good.

Only a number of them pan out.

I still thank the FO from talking Jerry out of taking Johnny Football and think back at how many fans wanted him so badly to be a Cowboy. I remember when they showed the crowd at the dallas cowboys draft party and Johnny was on the clock and they were all going crazy and we took Z.Martin and a good chunk of the crowd looked deflated.

I was happy as a clam at that point but many were not.

It turned out ok for us.

I have already thought to myself that even if we don't get our Franchise QB now...if Tony goes down again like last year, this team will suck again and we will get another chance to get a franchise QB as long as Jerry does not trade away future picks between now and then.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope they do and not with some mid rd selection. I would like to get a QB that has a real chance to develop into a franchise QB and while there are exceptions out there who were selected later in the draft they are few and far between. I think Romo has a couple of very good season left in him but in my view this is the time to get serious about the future of this team not after Romo retires

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

People also need to realize that just because we don't care for a lower round 2nd or 3rd tier QB...it does not mean it is a bad thing to draft them and try to groom them.

Even doing that is a step in the right direction for this franchise considering we have only drafted 1 QB in the last 10 years.

Dak or Hack might not be the guys I would like, but they have good size, good arms and some traits you like that might make them ok prospects to groom. After all...Tony turned out ok after sitting some.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The exact reason I don't buy into the 'we have to go QB at 4' theory.

Keep in mind, and I am saying this to all in this thread and not just you, just because I make these arguments it does not mean I don't think we should indeed take one of the QBs if they are sitting there.

There is a difference between we don't HAVE to and we SHOULD.

We don't HAVE to draft one of them if they are sitting there...but if they think they are franchise QBs...THEY SHOULD because if they have other players with similar rankings on the board...a QB should trump those when we are in our position.

We are not a team with some young Franchise QB right now...We are a franchise with a QB at the tail end of his career with multiple problems with his Clavicle and a documented history of back problems.

It is indeed the SMART thing to do and what SHOULD be done.

 

[BigStar]

Most of these high end QBs always look good.

Only a number of them pan out.

I still thank the FO from talking Jerry out of taking Johnny Football and think back at how many fans wanted him so badly to be a Cowboy. I remember when they showed the crowd at the dallas cowboys draft party and Johnny was on the clock and they were all going crazy and we took Z.Martin and a good chunk of the crowd looked deflated.

I was happy as a clam at that point but many were not.

It turned out ok for us.

I have already thought to myself that even if we don't get our Franchise QB now...if Tony goes down again like last year, this team will suck again and we will get another chance to get a franchise QB as long as Jerry does not trade away future picks between now and then.

Hear you there big time! What I don't get with JJ, is the that his idolization of Manziel made him seek a QB in the 1st last year but not after a 4-12 train wreck of a season that was precisely the result of his own franchise QB being out most of the season? It's odd to say the least

 

[reddyuta]

Just take the best QB in the draft, you get cute and you are stuck with the Christian ponders of the world.

 

[Stash]

Most of these high end QBs always look good.

Only a number of them pan out.

I still thank the FO from talking Jerry out of taking Johnny Football and think back at how many fans wanted him so badly to be a Cowboy. I remember when they showed the crowd at the dallas cowboys draft party and Johnny was on the clock and they were all going crazy and we took Z.Martin and a good chunk of the crowd looked deflated.

I was happy as a clam at that point but many were not.

It turned out ok for us.

I have already thought to myself that even if we don't get our Franchise QB now...if Tony goes down again like last year, this team will suck again and we will get another chance to get a franchise QB as long as Jerry does not trade away future picks between now and then.

Neither of these quarterbacks is anywhere close to what Manziel was and the multiple questions he had coming out. I don't see a valid comparison there.

And something else that you should consider, if Tony "goes down", it's just as likely to occur late in the season as it is early. This team could be doing well and have won 10 games before Romo were to get hurt, just enough to screw up your next chance at getting a franchise quarterback. Need meets ability now. There's no guarantee any of it can or will match up later.

 

[Stash]

Hear you there big time! What I don't get with JJ, is the that his idolization of Manziel made him seek a QB in the 1st last year but not after a 4-12 train wreck of a season that was precisely the result of his own franchise QB being out most of the season? It's odd to say the least

"Odd" Is an understanding and too kind of a description. Insanity or senility would be a more apt description in my opinion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What I don't get with JJ, is the that his idolization of Manziel made him seek a QB in the 1st last year but not after a 4-12 train wreck of a season that was precisely the result of his own franchise QB being out most of the season? It's odd to say the least

It's not odd, you are listening to Jerry. That has been proven to be the wrong thing to do many times over the years. It's got nothing to do with what our record is/was.

 

[BigStar]

It's not odd, you are listening to Jerry. That has been proven to be the wrong thing to do many times over the years. It's got nothing to do with what our record is/was.

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[ConceptCoop]

"Good" quarterbacks are only valuable if they're cheap. They have to be great to justify the money that QBs demand on the open market. Guys like Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Dalton, Cutler (etc) are not going to win championships making 20+ million dollars a year. Are we really ready to gamble that Wentz or Goff are in the Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brees, Newton (etc) tier?

If we go QB and he's simply good, here's what happens:
-He takes over for Romo to start the 2017 season, at the latest. No way around that; teams don't draft QBs top 5 to sit multiple seasons. It just doesn't happen.
-He plays well enough - above .500 and better than a 1:1 TD/INT ratio - over the duration of his contract. A playoff appearance or two, but no ring. Romo's dead money is a handicap.
-We BREAK THE BANK to retain him.
-We let good players walk due to the money spent at QB.
-We're right back to 8-8 to 10-6 ball for the next 5-7 years.

If we're going QB we need to go all in on the rebuild and trade Romo. That way we get a full 4 years to evaluate our new QB before making a franchise changing investment in him, plus, 4 years of cheap QB production, in case he can pull a Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Collin Kaepernick (with the PI call), or Flacco - on their rookie contracts.

We can't ride the fence here. In or out? Is there a QB worth going ALL in for in this draft, the way the Colts did with Luck (over Manning)? If not - if we're not 110% sold and ready to move on form Romo - we need to pass.

 

[Alexander]

They will probably take Dak Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd (because they are afraid someone would take him in the 3rd or 4th before them

Thank you so much for the Quincy Carter flashback. I know you did that only because you care.