I believe we can fix this offense

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Biggems;2547033 said:
We have a mammoth OL.

That's true. But we need offensive line depth. If we lose any one of our starters, we need to be able to keep functioning well. Losing Kyle Kosier changed this team way too much.

David.
 

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Biggems;2547033 said:
even if we keep Garrett by doing the following:

We have a mammoth OL. Our OL is built more for a power running game than a finesse passing game. Since they have long term contracts, we cannot change our OL philosophy anytime soon.

1. Commit to the run, early and often (at least 35-40 rushes a game). Use the run to set up the pass. Ram the ball down their throats. Mix it up with Barber and Choice for about 30-40 minutes. Then once the defense has been worn down, bring in a fresh, fast Felix Jones as our HR threat. I also want to get Lorenzo Neal as our FB. Anderson is not nearly the lead blocker that Neal is. If we are going to have that punch you in the mouth running game, Neal is the perfect FB.

2. Once the run is established, use the play action passing game to keep the defense honest. Run lots of short and intermediate slants and crossing routes.

3. A lot of teams like to blitz us relentlessly. This is where we use misdirection plays (reverses, counters, etc.) and screen passes.

4. I would like to see us use the 3 back set and even direct snap to Felix and allow the other two to block for him or have him pass out of the formation.....in a variation to the Wild Cat. This can be run about 2-4 times a game, just to keep the defense guessing.

5. In the red zone, utilize Bennett instead of Roy on the fade routes. Bennett is taller and has a better vertical.

By listing options 1 and 2, you're thinking like the offensive coordinators of probably about 29 NFL teams. You, sir, are qualified to coach the offense of the Dallas Cowboys, in my opinion.
 

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Biggems;2547033 said:
even if we keep Garrett by doing the following:

We have a mammoth OL. Our OL is built more for a power running game than a finesse passing game. Since they have long term contracts, we cannot change our OL philosophy anytime soon.

1. Commit to the run, early and often (at least 35-40 rushes a game). Use the run to set up the pass. Ram the ball down their throats. Mix it up with Barber and Choice for about 30-40 minutes. Then once the defense has been worn down, bring in a fresh, fast Felix Jones as our HR threat. I also want to get Lorenzo Neal as our FB. Anderson is not nearly the lead blocker that Neal is. If we are going to have that punch you in the mouth running game, Neal is the perfect FB.

2. Once the run is established, use the play action passing game to keep the defense honest. Run lots of short and intermediate slants and crossing routes.

3. A lot of teams like to blitz us relentlessly. This is where we use misdirection plays (reverses, counters, etc.) and screen passes.

4. I would like to see us use the 3 back set and even direct snap to Felix and allow the other two to block for him or have him pass out of the formation.....in a variation to the Wild Cat. This can be run about 2-4 times a game, just to keep the defense guessing.

5. In the red zone, utilize Bennett instead of Roy on the fade routes. Bennett is taller and has a better vertical.

If you want a power running game you have to replace Kosier and Flozell.

Kosier - He's not big enough or strong enough, more of a good technician with good feet who can move.

Flozell - He could gain another 50 pounds and he still won't be a road grader in the run game. Being lazy and not wanting to drive block are his weaknesses. When is the last time you saw his fat butt more than 3 yards downfield?

You would also need to pick up a real 'blocking TE' because Witten, Bennett and Curtis don't fit that mold.

I would love to have a power running game because with the offensive weapons we have the play action game would give our big WR's and QB plenty of time to find room downfield.
 

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dcfanatic;2547928 said:
If you want a power running game you have to replace Kosier and Flozell.

Kosier - He's not big enough or strong enough, more of a good technician with good feet who can move.

Flozell - He could gain another 50 pounds and he still won't be a road grader in the run game. Being lazy and not wanting to drive block are his weaknesses. When is the last time you saw his fat butt more than 3 yards downfield?

You would also need to pick up a real 'blocking TE' because Witten, Bennett and Curtis don't fit that mold.

I would love to have a power running game because with the offensive weapons we have the play action game would give our big WR's and QB plenty of time to find room downfield.

we tried w/o Kosier,

not good

Flozell is one of the best run-blocking tackles in the game, has been for awhile
 

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Biggems;2547033 said:
even if we keep Garrett by doing the following:

We have a mammoth OL. Our OL is built more for a power running game than a finesse passing game. Since they have long term contracts, we cannot change our OL philosophy anytime soon.

1. Commit to the run, early and often (at least 35-40 rushes a game).
Use the run to set up the pass. Ram the ball down their throats. Mix it up with Barber and Choice for about 30-40 minutes. Then once the defense has been worn down, bring in a fresh, fast Felix Jones as our HR threat. I also want to get Lorenzo Neal as our FB. Anderson is not nearly the lead blocker that Neal is. If we are going to have that punch you in the mouth running game, Neal is the perfect FB.

2. Once the run is established, use the play action passing game to keep the defense honest. Run lots of short and intermediate slants and crossing routes.

3. A lot of teams like to blitz us relentlessly. This is where we use misdirection plays (reverses, counters, etc.) and screen passes.

4. I would like to see us use the 3 back set and even direct snap to Felix and allow the other two to block for him or have him pass out of the formation.....in a variation to the Wild Cat. This can be run about 2-4 times a game, just to keep the defense guessing.

5. In the red zone, utilize Bennett instead of Roy on the fade routes. Bennett is taller and has a better vertical.

No offense but in the bold is where I stopped reading.
 

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iRoot4Losers;2547932 said:
we tried w/o Kosier,

not good

Flozell is one of the best run-blocking tackles in the game, has been for awhile

Holland did good. It's just Replacing Koiser with proctor = bad.
 

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I think entering the playoffs with a solid team means simply reining in the entire offense, including Romo, but especially Garrett and the game plan.

Our defense is developing well enough to be competitive with anyone, especially if we find a SS and some depth at ILB.

We need to improve our running game by improving the OL and depth and by committing to running the ball more, like a real NFC EAst team.

Running the ball more, playing good defense, and improving our special teams will put us in position to beat any team...and it will open up the passing game. We've been passing to open up the run, but that sets the wrong tone with the OL as they absorb punishment and let the DL get off on them, while also hanging Romo out there for unnecessary punishment.

It's time to start running much much more, let the OL establish a rhythm and lean on the DL, keep Romo upright, set up the play-action, etc.

However, what goes along with that are lots of complaining fans who want drives every time we touch the football...running the ball more means more 3 and outs or 2-3 first downs and outs early in ball-games.

I can live with that and a dominant defense, especially if our punter returns to help us win field position battles. I think our team tries to play wide open from the opening kickoff, trying to run out to big leads and coast. The problem with that is you don't have a lot to run out there in the second half that the defense hasn't already seen...and where do you go if you finish the first half behind or in a close game...not to mention the loss of confidence.

I'd rather see us play a physical style of football with a big OL and tough running backs, great TE play, and big play WR's on play-action, Wr's who are already good blockers. I'd rather see us grind teams down and open up leads in the second half instead of running out to leads and coasting.

I think our team needs a more conservative approach now that we have the makings of a great defense, but that approach is one that most fans would complain about.
 

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dcfanatic;2547928 said:
If you want a power running game you have to replace Kosier and Flozell.
Not really dc.

All we have to do is keep running Choice, Barber, and Jones.
 

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we don't really have a power running game any more. our oline rarely pushes the other line backwards. we rely on delayed handoffs and tosses.
 

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dcfanatic;2547928 said:
If you want a power running game you have to replace Kosier and Flozell.

Kosier - He's not big enough or strong enough, more of a good technician with good feet who can move.

Flozell - He could gain another 50 pounds and he still won't be a road grader in the run game. Being lazy and not wanting to drive block are his weaknesses. When is the last time you saw his fat butt more than 3 yards downfield?

You would also need to pick up a real 'blocking TE' because Witten, Bennett and Curtis don't fit that mold.

I would love to have a power running game because with the offensive weapons we have the play action game would give our big WR's and QB plenty of time to find room downfield.

Huh?

Were we watching the same tight ends?
 

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JordanTaber;2548241 said:
Huh?

Were we watching the same tight ends?

Did you get me Nelly's phone number yet?

And please tell us that Bennett and Curtis are good run blockers.

Witten is ok, but he's not a 'Kyle Brady' run blocker by any means.
 

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percyhoward;2548078 said:
Not really dc.

All we have to do is keep running Choice, Barber, and Jones.

And what happens when the defense becomes aware we want to be a power running team?

They are going to press the LOS.

We can't overpower them.

We have shown that in recent years we can't just man up and run over people on a consistent basis.

Why do you think Garrett is running bubble screens to Roy Williams on a 3rd and short?
 

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Why do you think Garrett is running bubble screens to Roy Williams on a 3rd and short?[/quote]

That may be one of the worst plays I ever saw.
 

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dcfanatic;2548694 said:
We have shown that in recent years we can't just man up and run over people on a consistent basis.
That hasn't been shown with the current personnel at RB.

We had a line that gave up a lot of sacks. Then we switched QB's, and suddenly it looked like a different line.
 

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dcfanatic;2547928 said:
Kosier - He's not big enough or strong enough, more of a good technician with good feet who can move.

He's also the most athletic of the bunch, and the only one we can pull and trap with. I'm more worried about Flo and quite frankly Coumbo who I think is average at best, and Gurode who seemed to really slip this year.
 

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dc, how does any team run the ball consistently even though the defense knows they want to?

It's simply a mentality. You have to decide that you're going to run the ball, and that even if it doesn't work at first, you aren't going to give up on it.

And I would practically guarantee that if our O-line weren't on their heels all day from pass protecting and instead were able to consistently fire off the ball and aggressively hit people, the run game would improve.

It seems like everyone agrees except the one red headed genius who matters.

But maybe with more persuasion from the head coach, even he will come around.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2548733 said:
It seems like everyone agrees except the one red headed genius who matters.
When a wide receiver says we need to run the ball more, I'd call it a foregone conclusion.
 

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The idea that "if the line doesn't get a consistent push, then you can't run the ball 30 times a game..."

Isn't true, and isn't close to being true.

The teams that run the ball 30 times a game don't run any better than we do, on average. They just run more than we do.

Jerry likes to talk about his "plan" that's based on Romo being an elite QB, with the offense built around that. But that plan was formulated before our defense led the league in sacks, and before we had these 3 RB's.
 

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percyhoward;2548711 said:
That hasn't been shown with the current personnel at RB.

We had a line that gave up a lot of sacks. Then we switched QB's, and suddenly it looked like a different line.

The RB's are great. But I just don't see Choice and Jones as power backs.

Choice is a slasher and he can get those tough yards if he has a hole.

But Jones has no leg drive to be a tough inside guy for a long period of time.

Barber I could see being used as a power back.

I am really sure that's all that happened when we talk about not giving up a lot sacks. But even if so it tells us more negative about them doesn't it? We have a mobile QB who can duck a shoulder and avoid the outside speed rusher. That's not really saying the line is doing a good job. We also added Davis and I think Gurode and Colombo just became good players. Plus Petitti left town, lol.

And I just can't see Flozell being a drive blocker all game. He's mad lazy. He reaches a lot because he doesn't want to move his feet. Maybe it's also because his legs are beat up too though, but that's just another problem for him.

Like I said, I would love a power running game because I don't need the flash of a 35 points a game offense. I will take my 24-27 points and a controlling the clock by wearing you out offense over that every time out.

People love to bring up the 1999 Rams offense when they say you want that type of offense. Can we not forget that the Rams were a yard and half away from losing two Super Bowls to teams with a lot less talent.

That Rams offense doesn't hold water if you compare it to the early 90's offenses of the Cowboys and 49ers if you ask me.

The Patriots offense in 2007 won nada because in the end a good pass rush knocked off the timing.

Even the Colts in 2006 were a balanced offense. Manning got the MVP, but the real MVP of that game was Rhodes because he provided them with a running game against that Bears defense.

This Cowboys offense is a microcosm of the entire franchise.

They want to be on the cover of the magazine instead of wanting to be the in-depth six page article that is actually inside the magazine.
 
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