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I'm guessing everyone realizes that Dallas threw the ball 16 more times this year than last, right?

Seemed to work ok then, and one more pass per game (average) doesn't indicate they have gone all pass-happy.

They were #8 in the league in attempts.

That said, I would like to see them run more too but the fact is they really didn't pass that much more (57% this year to 54% last year)...
 

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dc, I don't think we necessarily have to follow the formula of the early 90's Cowboys to be a successful running team. Last year, nobody would question the fact that we were a successful passing team, and we did it--regardless of whether the QB had all day to throw or if he was ducking his shoulder and squirming away from the rush.

It worked.

The same can be true of the running game with Jones and Choice. Every play doesn't have to be a dive play, and when it is, the blocking doesn't have to be perfect.
 

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5Countem5;2548804 said:
I'm guessing everyone realizes that Dallas threw the ball 16 more times this year than last, right?

Seemed to work ok then, and one more pass per game (average) doesn't indicate they have gone all pass-happy.

They were #8 in the league in attempts.

That said, I would like to see them run more too but the fact is they really didn't pass that much more (57% this year to 54% last year)...
There were five teams that finished in the top 10 in both defense (yards per play) and rushing average. Here's how those teams finished in rush and pass attempts...

Team/Rush Att/Pass Att
NYG.....7th...21st
Ten......5th...27th
Was......8th...17th
Min.......3rd...28th
Dal......25th...8th

For a team that can run the ball and play good defense, we passed way too much.
 

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percyhoward;2548866 said:
There were five teams that finished in the top 10 in both defense (yards per play) and rushing average. Here's how those teams finished in rush and pass attempts...

Team/Rush Att/Pass Att
NYG.....7th...21st
Ten......5th...27th
Was......8th...17th
Min.......3rd...28th
Dal......25th...8th

For a team that can run the ball and play good defense, we passed way too much.

Again, I agree but some have stated that Garrett got all pass-happy trying to please all wrs and Witten when in actuality- it's not true.

Garrett needs to run the ball more but stayed pretty consistent with what he did last year.
 

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5Countem5;2548933 said:
Garrett needs to run the ball more but stayed pretty consistent with what he did last year.
Too bad we weren't playing last year's schedule.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2548733 said:
dc, how does any team run the ball consistently even though the defense knows they want to?

It's simply a mentality. You have to decide that you're going to run the ball, and that even if it doesn't work at first, you aren't going to give up on it.

And I would practically guarantee that if our O-line weren't on their heels all day from pass protecting and instead were able to consistently fire off the ball and aggressively hit people, the run game would improve.

It seems like everyone agrees except the one red headed genius who matters.

But maybe with more persuasion from the head coach, even he will come around.

The current philosophy of our offense is to take what the defense gives you. This works fine if you can actually take what they're offering, but for whatever reason this season we weren't as effective converting in our passing game.

We can keep our philosophy and still run more if we add personnel and can pressure defenses into giving us alignments we want to run against. Felix Jones--if he can stay on the field--is a player who can put that kind of pressure on a defensive alignment. TO, Witten, R Williams, Bennett are all players that should be able to force defenses into situations we can run in, but if we can't get the big plays in the passing game, the running game options aren't going to be there. Teams like Philly will be comfortable dialing up the run blitzes and we're back where we started.
 

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dcfanatic;2548802 said:
The RB's are great. But I just don't see Choice and Jones as power backs.

Choice is a slasher and he can get those tough yards if he has a hole.

But Jones has no leg drive to be a tough inside guy for a long period of time.

Barber I could see being used as a power back.

I am really sure that's all that happened when we talk about not giving up a lot sacks. But even if so it tells us more negative about them doesn't it? We have a mobile QB who can duck a shoulder and avoid the outside speed rusher. That's not really saying the line is doing a good job. We also added Davis and I think Gurode and Colombo just became good players. Plus Petitti left town, lol.

And I just can't see Flozell being a drive blocker all game. He's mad lazy. He reaches a lot because he doesn't want to move his feet. Maybe it's also because his legs are beat up too though, but that's just another problem for him.

Like I said, I would love a power running game because I don't need the flash of a 35 points a game offense. I will take my 24-27 points and a controlling the clock by wearing you out offense over that every time out.

People love to bring up the 1999 Rams offense when they say you want that type of offense. Can we not forget that the Rams were a yard and half away from losing two Super Bowls to teams with a lot less talent.

That Rams offense doesn't hold water if you compare it to the early 90's offenses of the Cowboys and 49ers if you ask me.

The Patriots offense in 2007 won nada because in the end a good pass rush knocked off the timing.

Even the Colts in 2006 were a balanced offense. Manning got the MVP, but the real MVP of that game was Rhodes because he provided them with a running game against that Bears defense.

This Cowboys offense is a microcosm of the entire franchise.

They want to be on the cover of the magazine instead of wanting to be the in-depth six page article that is actually inside the magazine.


We just need to use Felix and Choice as change of pace backs ... spot them in here and there (depending on the situation). That will also help with keeping Marion a little freshr and less nicked.
 

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percyhoward;2548832 said:
dc, I don't think we necessarily have to follow the formula of the early 90's Cowboys to be a successful running team. Last year, nobody would question the fact that we were a successful passing team, and we did it--regardless of whether the QB had all day to throw or if he was ducking his shoulder and squirming away from the rush.

It worked.

The same can be true of the running game with Jones and Choice. Every play doesn't have to be a dive play, and when it is, the blocking doesn't have to be perfect.

I agree it worked last year to help us win games.

But I think what we saw against the Giants in the playoff loss was us trying to be a power running attack because Wade didn't trust the defense.

He ran Barber hoping to wear out the Giants and put up a nice lead without making Romo have to take too many chances throwing it.

In theory it should work. But by the second half we screwed ourselves because we gave up two quick strike TD's to the Giants. Then once we got behind at the end of the game our O line was worn out from all the run blocking it had done in the first half and could not block for Romo.

People try to say Barber wore up in the that second half, but it was really the O line that was worn out in the second half.

You are right though, we don't have to be the 90's Cowboys offense to have success, but we have to pick an identity and stick with it.

Garrett was all over the place this year with his gameplans trying to counter what defenses we were playing. He needs to do just the opposite. Which is make sure we are firing on all cylinders at what we do best so the defenses have to worry about adusting their gameplan to shut us down.

We should be dictating how the game goes with all the weapons we have, not the other way around.

And with Choice and Jones we should be looking to get them involved in the 'edge' running game. But once again we are going to run into the same problem we have with the passing game.

One football to go around. But three good RB's to contribute.

It's almost as if Jason Garrett has so much to work with he forget the basic idea of the game which is to move the ball 10 yards at a time and then do it all over again.

He seemed over confident that we could dial up anything on the menu and it would work. I say why not just order the same 10 things that you like over and over again because you know what you are getting and have had success with it.

Just think about some of the plays we have seen in crucial spots.

An option play with Romo and Choice? That pitch to T.O.? A bubble screen to Roy?

We didn't have any other plays in the arsenal that could pick up the neccessary yards needed in those situations where when we had run them prior and the success rate wasn't at least 85%?

I think we did for sure.

Just because he can design a 1200 page playbook, doesn't mean has to implement it all in one game, or even one season.

Football isn't rocket science. Especially when you have replacement offensive lineman in the game and rookies at TE and RB playing key roles. Not to mention your All Pro QB and TE are nursing all sorts of injuries.

If Garrett comes back I just hope he looks back on all this and grows as an offensive coordinator. He's only been doing it full time for 2 seasons. So not to use it as an excuse for him, but more of a talking point as to why it's maybe not time to give up on him just yet.

Now about how he handles the ego's on this offense is another issue altogether and its one of the reasons I would be ok with him leaving. I just know there are riffs there with him and the players. They can't be calling him out like that because it's useless in helping the progression of him as a future head coach here. It also makes him more willing to accept an offer elsewhere. Then we are starting over on offense, but with Wade still in place as the head coach for maybe one more season. Then what happens when Wade is ousted next year?

If we are starting over on either side of the ball I would just rather start over with an entirely new coaching staff all the way around.
 

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dcfanatic;2548684 said:
Did you get me Nelly's phone number yet?

And please tell us that Bennett and Curtis are good run blockers.

Witten is ok, but he's not a 'Kyle Brady' run blocker by any means.

Wow, you really have no clue, do you?

Both of them are good run blockers.

And Witten is an excellent run blocker.

Kyle Brady type? You mean the big, stiff, "3rd offensive tackle" guys? The Jason Dunn types?

There are about 3-4 of those in the entire NFL.

You might as well just put Montrae Holland or Kyle Kosier (whoever doesn't start at LG next year) at TE if you're going to go that route.

You don't need those types to be a dominant running team.
 

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dcfanatic;2549203 said:
It's almost as if Jason Garrett has so much to work with he forget the basic idea of the game which is to move the ball 10 yards at a time and then do it all over again.
Either he forgot it or he still doesn't get it. Time after time, he went away from the run too quickly and gave up too easily.

I went back and looked at all the running plays by the Ravens in the first half against us. They ran 16 times, and 9 of those runs gained 1 yard or less. Garrett has to find the patience that will allow him to do that in the first half of a game, even if we're behind the whole half, as the Ravens were.
 
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