I blame the missed FG on Parcells

AMERICAS_FAN

Active Member
Messages
7,198
Reaction score
0
Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

**
 

superpunk

Well-Known Member
Messages
26,330
Reaction score
75
Suisham could prefer kicking from the right hash.

We can't know that.
 

peplaw06

That Guy
Messages
13,699
Reaction score
413
Wasn't it a draw play to Barber?? IIRC he was going up the middle and bounced it to the outside.
 

cowboyfan4life_mark

5 outta 8 ain't bad
Messages
3,037
Reaction score
125
When did Parcells become our kicker?

There are two types of people in the world:
1) The ones that produce, no matter what.
2) The ones that don't produce and make excuses.
 

DallasInDC

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,136
Reaction score
5,019
AMERICAS_FAN said:
Many may see this as nit-picking, but I balme the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

**


I don't no, maybe I'm missing something here?? I blame the FG kicker for the missed FG. After all, it is his JOB to make FG's - especially 36 yd gimmes.
 

AdamJT13

Salary Cap Analyst
Messages
16,583
Reaction score
4,529
AMERICAS_FAN said:
But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

They didn't. It was a draw up the middle, and Barber cut it outside to the right. (Definitely Parcells' fault.)
 

Stautner

New Member
Messages
10,691
Reaction score
1
AMERICAS_FAN said:
Many may see this as nit-picking, but I balme the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

**

This is goofy. What next - will you Blame Parcells for running a screen pass to the right when he clearly knows Julius prefers to run it to the left?
 

5Stars

Here comes the Sun...
Messages
37,846
Reaction score
16,869
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
I prefer a lot of things too! Like, I prefer my eggs fried, while my son likes them scrambled...either way, I have to know how to make them right!

It's a kickers job to learn how to make all the kicks from either hash mark, as well as down the center. He's supposed to be a pro, so he should know how to adjust because if he likes the right hash mark, as you say he might, well tough luck, because the ball is not always going to be spotted there.

Parcells fault? Yeah, right!
 

Hoov

Senior Member
Messages
6,033
Reaction score
1,191
i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.
 

silver

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,874
Reaction score
1,698
BP didn't give Suisham a vote of confidence on the previous 4th down play by going for it. I tend to think BP's lack of confidence in his kickers is doing more harm than anything else. He should just let him try a 50 yarder to get his confidence back.
 

superpunk

Well-Known Member
Messages
26,330
Reaction score
75
cowboyfan4life_mark said:
When did Parcells become our kicker?

There are two types of people in the world:
1) The ones that produce, no matter what.
2) The ones that don't produce and make excuses.

And the Dutch.
 

DipChit

New Member
Messages
1,594
Reaction score
0
Not that it's the worst observation in the world but for those pointing out that the play was bounced outside.

I was actually thinking the same thing near the end of the Vikes/Skins game. When the Vikes were doing nothing but milking the clock to set up their go-ahead field goal. Without studying the plays hard, it too casually looked like in that case the Vikes werent really interested in setting it up to be right down the middle.

Course with a guy like Longwell, one might not feel it mattered much anyway. ;)
 

Sportsbabe

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,968
Reaction score
5,039
I guess I'm in the minority. I think it was a horrible play call on 3rd & 13 (or whatever). I went home for lunch and the Replay Game on NFL Network was airing. It hurt me to my heart to see that stupid play call inside the 20 yard line. I don't care if we did just have a penalty that set us back. In my opinion, a running play with more that 5 yards to go is playing scared; playing tight. You need to play for the 1st down. We did not play for the 1st down.
 

Sportsbabe

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,968
Reaction score
5,039
Hoov said:
i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.

Agreed. How many other teams are in the league? I bet we are the only one that wouldn't go for the first with less talent at ther disposal. Ridiculous.
 

peplaw06

That Guy
Messages
13,699
Reaction score
413
Sportsbabe said:
I guess I'm in the minority. I think it was a horrible play call on 3rd & 13 (or whatever). I went home for lunch and the Replay Game on NFL Network was airing. It hurt me to my heart to see that stupid play call inside the 20 yard line. I don't care if we did just have a penalty that set us back. In my opinion, a running play with more that 5 yards to go is playing scared; playing tight. You need to play for the 1st down. We did not play for the 1st down.

It's playing for points. BP had it in his head that we HAD to get 3 out of that drive. You could say be aggressive and throw for it, but then if Drew's sacked or throws another pick, we get nada. It turned we got nada, but we played for the FG.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that BP played for the FG. It's what he does. On 3rd and 8 or less, he probably throws for it, 3rd and 13... play for the FG. I'd do it too.
 

WV Cowboy

Waitin' on the 6th
Messages
11,604
Reaction score
1,744
Hoov said:
i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.
Oh, now there is a good idea, the next thing you now we will be putting Roy Williams up at the LOS and letting him wreak havoc there.

You might give up a play sometimes, but who knows, you might make a game changing play sometime.

Don't ALWAYS be conservative !

Take a shot on 3rd and 13, ... turn Roy loose !
 

WV Cowboy

Waitin' on the 6th
Messages
11,604
Reaction score
1,744
peplaw06 said:
On 3rd and 8 or less, he probably throws for it, 3rd and 13... play for the FG. I'd do it too.
Yes, maybe at 10-10, but he does it all the time.

I think the players would like it too, have some fun, ... it is a game.
 

Sportsbabe

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,968
Reaction score
5,039
peplaw06 said:
It's playing for points. BP had it in his head that we HAD to get 3 out of that drive. You could say be aggressive and throw for it, but then if Drew's sacked or throws another pick, we get nada. It turned we got nada, but we played for the FG.

My bad. I would think I could trust my 14-year QB to get rid of the ball and not lose the game for me. I must have lost my mind for a minute.
 

Stautner

New Member
Messages
10,691
Reaction score
1
silver said:
BP didn't give Suisham a vote of confidence on the previous 4th down play by going for it. I tend to think BP's lack of confidence in his kickers is doing more harm than anything else. He should just let him try a 50 yarder to get his confidence back.

Ahhhh - if he gives them love and attention, nurtures them, provides them with food, clothing and shelter, protects them from harm and raises them to be fine young men, always remembering to praise them when it is deserved, then they will repay him with made FG's .............

BS - this is football and Bill ain't their father. If the kickers don't have confidence enough to make FG's then they don't deserve to be here.

By the way, did it ever occur to anyone that Suisham is just an average kicker - plain and simple? He wasn't even particulary accurate in college. Seems to me that we are looking for BS excuses when the simple truth is that we were forced to use a kicker that Parcells didn't really want to keep anyway, and he showed why.
 

conner01

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,968
Reaction score
26,613
a kicker should be able to make that chip shot from either hash mark.
this is the nfl, not high scholl football.if your kicking a 50 yd fg that might matter but from 30 yds if you can't make that you are'nt gonna be a kicker in this league very long even if you do kick off pretty dang good.
 
Top