I got to give credit to Dak

[leeblair]

Dak has always been the guy the plays very well right up until he doesn't.

This season he has played very very well right up until he doesn't.

Dak is gonna Dak.
I honestly started this thread because I have been highly critical of him, and I still don't believe he belongs in a professional football league. He chokes too much, and the NFL is supposed to be better than this.
All I was saying is that, versus the Lions, he continued to battle throughout the game.
Usually he pads his stats at the end because the game is already lost because he choked early.
That's the ONLY reason his fans can point to his high yardage totals- from playing weak teams or loose defenses in games that the Cowboys have already lost.
But if he could somehow mature enough not to choke, he has an offense around him that could do some serious damage.

 

[gimmesix]

When you were watching this game, did you happen to notice that there was no "in the grasp" rule? They had to throw the quarterback to the ground before the whistle would blow.

There was also no five yard rule when it came to a DB's contact with the WR. There was also no such thing as "unprotected receiver". A DB could hit a WR in mid-air.

It wasn't at all unusual for a team's QB to be wearing leg braces for a damaged knee or protective jacket for the common rib injury.

The league began to adopt a series of rules to protect the QB and open up offenses in 1979. That was also the year Staubach retired.

The more rules they changed that favored the offense the less hits the QBs and WRs took and the more efficient they became.

The difference in performance between the two eras isn't due to an increase in talent, it is due to a deliberate attempt to artificially increase scoring by rule changes.

Half the QBs today would not have survived in the brutal football world of the pre-80s.

I don't disagree with any of that. It doesn't change the fact that a couple of Staubach's passes during the part that I watched were absolutely terrible. That happens to all quarterbacks no matter the era. (For that matter, a couple of Kilmer's passes also were off the mark, although he was passing better than Staubach at that point and Washington was moving the ball better.)

The difference today is that we can instantly share with everyone how we feel about those horrible passes and degrade the player for them. Back then, you'd talk about the game the next day with your friends, but you'd have perspective. If your team won, you were no longer concerned about a few off-target throws early in the game.

Now, those passes continue to be brought up by fans who want to denigrate the QB whether we won or not.

 

[BoysForLife]

Great job, there hoss. You managed to praise and bash Dak in one big swoop.

That would make sense. Since Dak usually does some things that are worthy of praise and some things that he deserves to be bashed for.

 

[nalam]

Last game, even though it was a loss, Dak only got loopy on one play- the screen pass/lateral he threw under pressure.
But the rest of the game, Dak looked like a quarterback. He didn't get happy feet and throw the errant interceptions he usually does when he gets nervous.
The interceptions he threw were because the receivers were tightly covered and the bounce went against the Cowboys. The Lions were sitting on the slant routes because they knew the Cowboys like them.
That's on the coaching, not Dak.
If he can keep his poise the Cowboys might actually win a game against a good team.

YOU have a point about the way he played , I ddint see the deer in the headlights or big binking eyes look , so that was good, but STs were real,bad , Lions had exploited something they saw in the tape and repeated ly getting short fields . D wasnt good enough to stop them .

STILL a QB in his 10th year should throw better balls to receiver where they get it or no one does and also shouldnt throw hospital balls , that throw to lamb if it was a bit more mangeable would have been a TD and we dont know how the game would have turned out.
This the 1st game Pickens completely disappointed me , he was responsible for 1 int and some stupid penalties

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

no, i dont think so. lee goes back 50 yrs with this team, i think he might just be frustrated like most of us. he's a good egg, bro.

He is not a true fan. He just likes to put out something controversial and argue.
He just picks favorites For or Against. He used to hate Garrett. Claimed Moore was a HOF type QB and argued Choice was as good as Emmitt. Once they left its all about Dak now. I asked him if he thinks Daks sucks, Dak had garrett as a coach so what gives. he went bullestic with an all cap, super large font with his response.

he doesn't have any knowledge of football, NADA....outside of watching half the game and then passing out in second half because he is drunk. he was/is an alcoholic, who has fallen off the wagon a few times. he is from tennessee and was for a while fan of titans and posted on that board for a while and once titans hit hard times, he is less over there and has made his way back to cowboys board.

he is nothing but a troll. end of story.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm just trying to be fair.
No- I don't think Prescott should be in the NFL.
However, he played pretty steady in the loss to Detroit.
If he had simply played that well over the past nine seasons, there wouldn't be near as many complaints about him.
But I am willing to call it like I see it, and the last game Dak hung in there and kept trying.
He's nowhere near being worth what he's paid, but he payed like a solid backup quarterback in that game.

yet none of the stats and results over the past 9 seasons support anything, and I mean anything you just said. NADA

so your first post was a bait, to lure people to comments, so you can go back to the same BS you always post.

tell me what is a wheel route? without googling. you have no clue about football..

and you are so easily trapped....its funny

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Bro missed CeeDee Lamb and other open WRs early in the game. At least he didn't throw the ball directly to the other team. Progress of a sort.

CD had 120+ yards before his injury...yet its about the one pass......never ends with ya'll

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

gotta have fun with Lee's posts, they can be a bit outlandish. But since Kellen doesnt play anymore it kinda toned down.

LOL. yeah, according to village clown, Kellen is a HOF type QB

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

"If he can keep his poise the Cowboys might actually win a game against a good team."

He beat the last two SB champions back-to-back in a five-day period.

Of course, a "good" team is a matter of perception, realistic contenders, perhaps?

I think the Chargers are a realistic contender.

The Chiefs play the Chargers this weekend in Kansas City. The Chargers then play the Cowboys in AT&T.

That should give us the opportunity to see if Dak can help the Cowboys defeat their next......and probably last... "good" team.

no no no...good team is the one they choose to call a good team. in fact when he has beaten good teams, its because the good team didn't play well and it was their mistakes that cost them the game, not Dak playing well. LITERALLY have said that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't believe the Eagles game was kosher.
Do you really believe that the Eagles suddenly couldn't defend Dak's air balls? Or that the Chiefs overpowered the Colts? Both games were played the week before the Chiefs met the Cowboys on Thanksgiving??
If there's ever been a setup- and there has- this was a setup.

air balls? 64% completion rate. 354 yards....more like he curved their defense after slow start....

yes, I believe the Eagles got lucky in the first half with some dropped balls and they played above their head. the defense figured out Hurts, who is right now way worse than Dak and neutralized him....then the cowboys settled and just curved them up.

what were you watching? or perhaps you passed out drunk at the half and missed the game and just read a few articles...one day you will get through watching the whole game...one day.

and stop with the stupid stupid conspiracy crap...because your most hated palyer made you look foolish.

you are a clown

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If that type of behavior was ever proven in court....if I was ever thoroughly convinced that NFL games were indeed, routinely rigged in the manner you describe......I would never watch another NFL game.

If you are convinced, why would you still watch?

then again what would he do to be a troll?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Pretty sure it took Lee longer than one breath to type that.

more than one breath and three glasses of vodka.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak is gonna Dak.
I honestly started this thread because I have been highly critical of him, and I still don't believe he belongs in a professional football league. He chokes too much, and the NFL is supposed to be better than this.
All I was saying is that, versus the Lions, he continued to battle throughout the game.
Usually he pads his stats at the end because the game is already lost because he choked early.
That's the ONLY reason his fans can point to his high yardage totals- from playing weak teams or loose defenses in games that the Cowboys have already lost.
But if he could somehow mature enough not to choke, he has an offense around him that could do some serious damage.

what have you done to have the opinion to say a QB belongs in NFL or not? outside of pulling things deep out of your rear end....

 

[acr731]

Give Dak credit all you want, I won't be joining you. He needs to prove he can hang with the big boys when the game is on the line in the playoffs

 

[gimmesix]

When you were watching this game, did you happen to notice that there was no "in the grasp" rule? They had to throw the quarterback to the ground before the whistle would blow.

There was also no five yard rule when it came to a DB's contact with the WR. There was also no such thing as "unprotected receiver". A DB could hit a WR in mid-air.

It wasn't at all unusual for a team's QB to be wearing leg braces for a damaged knee or protective jacket for the common rib injury.

The league began to adopt a series of rules to protect the QB and open up offenses in 1979. That was also the year Staubach retired.

The more rules they changed that favored the offense the less hits the QBs and WRs took and the more efficient they became.

The difference in performance between the two eras isn't due to an increase in talent, it is due to a deliberate attempt to artificially increase scoring by rule changes.

Half the QBs today would not have survived in the brutal football world of the pre-80s.

Ouch. Just turned that game back on and the first play after Washington kicks a field goal, Staubach drops back into a clean pocket with no pressure and badly overthrows a receiver for an interception. Washington scores on the next play for a 10-0 lead.

I can just imagine the game-thread reaction to that.

 

[plasticman]

Ouch. Just turned that game back on and the first play after Washington kicks a field goal, Staubach drops back into a clean pocket with no pressure and badly overthrows a receiver for an interception. Washington scores on the next play for a 10-0 lead.

I can just imagine the game-thread reaction to that.

LOL.....OMG.....Don't tell me you are watching the 1972 NFC championship game,

Why in the world would you pick that game to watch?

In Staubach's defense, he was out all year, didn't play in the regular season. He pulled off a miracle win against the 49ers the previous week when he got put in the 2nd half.

That Washington game was George Allen's finest hour. If you are actually a Cowboys fan and you are watching that game voluntarily then you, sir, are a masochist.

On a sidenote, there was an incident leading up to the game that greatly contributed to the Cowboys defeat while revealing a dark side to Tom Landry. It involved his relationship with former Packers CB, HOFer Herb Adderly.

 

[leeblair]

If that type of behavior was ever proven in court....if I was ever thoroughly convinced that NFL games were indeed, routinely rigged in the manner you describe......I would never watch another NFL game.

If you are convinced, why would you still watch?

I'm hoping the get caught.

 

[gimmesix]

LOL.....OMG.....Don't tell me you are watching the 1972 NFC championship game,

Why in the world would you pick that game to watch?

In Staubach's defense, he was out all year, didn't play in the regular season. He pulled off a miracle win against the 49ers the previous week when he got put in the 2nd half.

That Washington game was George Allen's finest hour. If you are actually a Cowboys fan and you are watching that game voluntarily then you, sir, are a masochist.

On a sidenote, there was an incident leading up to the game that greatly contributed to the Cowboys defeat while revealing a dark side to Tom Landry. It involved his relationship with former Packers CB, HOFer Herb Adderly.

No. It was a 1975 regular-season game. Both teams were 8-4 and the winner was going to make the playoffs. Staubach was 2 of 12 in the first half and quite frankly pretty awful. He had a lot of overthrows, including one for an interception. Still, Golden Richards turned an out pass into a TD by shaking off a defender and racing for a TD and punt coverage recovered a fumble that Dallas was able to turn into a score with several running plays, including a QB draw for the TD by Staubach (on which he had to leave the game temporarily with bruised ribs ... and, as the announcers pointed out, he played better with them than without them).

Can't remember the final score at the moment, but it ended up like 17-10, with Washington only scoring a TD after the interception.

I don't go back in time and watch losses. I see enough of those today.

 

[gimmesix]

LOL.....OMG.....Don't tell me you are watching the 1972 NFC championship game,

Why in the world would you pick that game to watch?

In Staubach's defense, he was out all year, didn't play in the regular season. He pulled off a miracle win against the 49ers the previous week when he got put in the 2nd half.

That Washington game was George Allen's finest hour. If you are actually a Cowboys fan and you are watching that game voluntarily then you, sir, are a masochist.

On a sidenote, there was an incident leading up to the game that greatly contributed to the Cowboys defeat while revealing a dark side to Tom Landry. It involved his relationship with former Packers CB, HOFer Herb Adderly.

Wasn't trying to turn this into a Staubach thread, and I certainly don't want it to sound like I'm bashing him. I just think some of our fans expect the QB to be perfect or to always be the one carrying the team (which doesn't really happen). But Super Bowl teams don't just rely on the arm of the QB. Sometimes he's off and the defense does the heavy lifting. Sometimes its the running game. Super Bowl teams afford their QBs the chance to make mistakes and not pay for them with a loss.

We haven't had a Super Bowl team since the mid-1990s, so too much has been put on the QBs' shoulders since then. They can't afford to be off for half a game. They can't afford to throw interceptions in their territory. Mistakes are amplified.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I'm just trying to be fair.
No- I don't think Prescott should be in the NFL.
However, he played pretty steady in the loss to Detroit.
If he had simply played that well over the past nine seasons, there wouldn't be near as many complaints about him.
But I am willing to call it like I see it, and the last game Dak hung in there and kept trying.
He's nowhere near being worth what he's paid, but he payed like a solid backup quarterback in that game.

So, the league’s most prolific passer this year…should not even be in the league. The all-time most prolific passer in Cowboys history..:should not be in the league.

Make it make sense. Someone.

Anyone.