I Have To Admit. I Am Becoming A Kellen Moore Fan

[DallasInDC]

Garrett is CLEARLY stuck in the past and refuses to bring his offense into the modern age.

I believe that when the Giants get rid of him it's going to be hard for him to ever get another OC job in the NFL.

Someone will take a flier on him. The NFL is the good ole boys network... And he is now one of the boys.

I find it ironic that Garrett sabotaged Wade Wilson for the HC job... And his demise was a result of of sabotaging himself by holding Moore back. It was so obvious when Moore put together an effective and creative game plan, Garrett took back control and forced Moore back to his antiquated philosophy.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

I’m waiting for cooper to get most of the targets. He’s clearly the alpha receiver. Dak never throws to him when there’s a good corner. He can beat good corners.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I’m waiting for cooper to get most of the targets. He’s clearly the alpha receiver. Dak never throws to him when there’s a good corner. He can beat good corners.

Dak is cofident in all of them the open reciever is getting the ball..thats how it should be.

 

[DustyRhodes]

Moore is a mess inside the 10; Dak draws - Elliot option pitches ?
Garrett smellfulness

 

[RonnieT24]

I’m waiting for cooper to get most of the targets. He’s clearly the alpha receiver. Dak never throws to him when there’s a good corner. He can beat good corners.

If Cooper beats a good corner by a half a yard while Lamb beats the #2 corner by two yards who would you prefer the ball go to?

 

[Cmac]

It will be interesting to see how Moore plans on attacking Carolina. Thus far Carolina on defense ranks 1st in run defense and 1st in pass defense and 2nd in points allowed. Also leading the league in sacks with 14. Granted Carolina schedule up to this point has been much softer than what Dallas has faced but none the less the numbers are what they are and Matt Rhule has his team playing good ball

......since the Panthers lead in rush defense, does this mean Dak is gonna sling the ball 50+ times or will the scheme "man up"?

 

[RonnieT24]

......since the Panthers lead in rush defense, does this mean Dak is gonna sling the ball 50+ times or will the scheme "man up"?

The Panthers are only #1 in defense because they have faced 2 rookie QBs and offenses that are terrible at running.. None of their opponents to date average more than 3.9 yards per rush on the season. Now they account for 1/3 of that but to this point those teams have not shown they can run it.. We on the other hand have at least shown we can.. even if at times we don't seem to want to.

 

[Doomsday101]

......since the Panthers lead in rush defense, does this mean Dak is gonna sling the ball 50+ times or will the scheme "man up"?

They are ranked #1 vs pass as well. I think Dallas will try to do both but a lot of it comes down to what Dak see when he gets up to the line. I would also add as mentioned in this thread we really do not know if Carolina is as good as the numbers indicate. They have faced the Jets, Houston with backup QB rookie QB Davis Mills and a NO teams that had most of their coaching staff in protocol. On paper this is a test for the Cowboys but it is also a big test for the Panthers.

 

[Cmac]

They are ranked #1 vs pass as well. I think Dallas will try to do both but a lot of it comes down to what Dak see when he gets up to the line. I would also add as mentioned in this thread we really do not know if Carolina is as good as the numbers indicate. They have faced the Jets, Houston with backup QB rookie QB Davis Mills and a NO teams that had most of their coaching staff in protocol. On paper this is a test for the Cowboys but it is also a big test for the Panthers.

Agree....I think it is a test for us because it's time for KMoore to dictate to opponent vs The 'Boys being dictated to. Offensively, we've had the weapons, though the middle OL is questionable, at times.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agree....I think it is a test for us because it's time for KMoore to dictate to opponent vs The 'Boys being dictated to. Offensively, we've had the weapons, though the middle OL is questionable, at times.

and I want Moore to be intelligent and be able to see what a defense is doing and attack them at the weakest spots on any given plays. I don't want to go back to stupid football where you got 7 or 8 in the box and you try and run it picking up 2 yards leaving yourself in 2nd or 3rd and long. This is why all QB go up to the line of scrimmage and look over the defense and make changes and adjustments based on defense. This notion that you must have x amount of runs vs passes is the key to winning I don't buy it.

 

[Cmac]

and I want Moore to be intelligent and be able to see what a defense is doing and attack them at the weakest spots on any given plays. I don't want to go back to stupid football where you got 7 or 8 in the box and you try and run it picking up 2 yards leaving yourself in 2nd or 3rd and long. This is why all QB go up to the line of scrimmage and look over the defense and make changes and adjustments based on defense. This notion that you must have x amount of runs vs passes is the key to winning I don't buy it.

Yep.......but running does "wear" a DL down, if our OL can start punishing, especially in the late 3rd qtr/4th qtr. JJ definitely to grasp an OL "dog" in the next draft. Attrition/injuries/suspension are declining this OL. Need KMoore to get away from the "trick plays" going lateral in the red zone.

As for our interior OL, JJ need to call Stepnoski in to "work" with Connor Williams/Tyler Biadasz......about technique/leverage, not cannabis.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep.......but running does "wear" a DL down, if our OL can start punishing, especially in the late 3rd qtr/4th qtr. JJ definitely to grasp an OL "dog" in the next draft. Attrition/injuries/suspension are declining this OL. Need KMoore to get away from the "trick plays" going lateral in the red zone.

As for our interior OL, JJ need to call Stepnoski in to "work" with Connor Williams/Tyler Biadasz......about technique/leverage, not cannabis.

Running can wear a defense down but if you are failing to move the ball it is great way to end up playing from behind. I don't want to see 50 plus passes in a game but if a defense want to stack the line and give up plays in the passing game then I think you take it. Same holds true in running. Chargers sat back in 2 deep safety and Dallas ran the ball and why not they were handing it to us. Dumb is trying attack at a strength despite seeing area of weakness and not taking it. As for Moore vs Tampa they went 1 of 4 in redzone since then Cowboys have gone 7 of 9 for TD in redzone.

 

[leeblair]

Everything you guys are seeing from Moore is what you lost in a starting quarterback who should STILL be the starting quarterback.
But that time has passed, and it's too late for him to be quarterback. When Jason Garrett sold out to Dak, hoping he would be the phenom that would save his job and make him look like an offensive genius, it was Moore who's career he wasted. No one was happier to see Moore go to coaching than Dak, because it eliminated his competition. Fortunately for Dak, Moore guides the offense as a professional and doesn't hold grudges for what was stolen from him.
Kellen Moore does what Jason Garrett could never understand- he uses ALL of his talented pieces on the field and that's why the Cowboys are having success. They are hard to defend because Moore makes opposing defenses cover every player instead of being able to key on just one or two.
But when Dak gets pressure and a defense decides to go after him first and risk big plays in exchange for added pressure on the quarterback, Dak will struggle.
But Kellen Moore has always been for real, and without him the Cowboys would not be having the success their offense has seen.
Now it remains to be seen how well Dak can handle the pressure as defenses begin to understand that pressure is their best hope for defense.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Garrett is CLEARLY stuck in the past and refuses to bring his offense into the modern age.

I believe that when the Giants get rid of him it's going to be hard for him to ever get another OC job in the NFL.

If he keeps losing, he won't have his job with the Giants much longer.

 

[Cmac]

Everything you guys are seeing from Moore is what you lost in a starting quarterback who should STILL be the starting quarterback.
But that time has passed, and it's too late for him to be quarterback. When Jason Garrett sold out to Dak, hoping he would be the phenom that would save his job and make him look like an offensive genius, it was Moore who's career he wasted. No one was happier to see Moore go to coaching than Dak, because it eliminated his competition. Fortunately for Dak, Moore guides the offense as a professional and doesn't hold grudges for what was stolen from him.
Kellen Moore does what Jason Garrett could never understand- he uses ALL of his talented pieces on the field and that's why the Cowboys are having success. They are hard to defend because Moore makes opposing defenses cover every player instead of being able to key on just one or two.
But when Dak gets pressure and a defense decides to go after him first and risk big plays in exchange for added pressure on the quarterback, Dak will struggle.
But Kellen Moore has always been for real, and without him the Cowboys would not be having the success their offense has seen.
Now it remains to be seen how well Dak can handle the pressure as defenses begin to understand that pressure is their best hope for defense.

You lost me on the part, "it was Moore who's career he wasted." You going with that? There ain't a team in the league that would have KMoore as their starting QB. Not one. C'mon, let''s be real.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Everything you guys are seeing from Moore is what you lost in a starting quarterback who should STILL be the starting quarterback.
But that time has passed, and it's too late for him to be quarterback. When Jason Garrett sold out to Dak, hoping he would be the phenom that would save his job and make him look like an offensive genius, it was Moore who's career he wasted. No one was happier to see Moore go to coaching than Dak, because it eliminated his competition. Fortunately for Dak, Moore guides the offense as a professional and doesn't hold grudges for what was stolen from him.
Kellen Moore does what Jason Garrett could never understand- he uses ALL of his talented pieces on the field and that's why the Cowboys are having success. They are hard to defend because Moore makes opposing defenses cover every player instead of being able to key on just one or two.
But when Dak gets pressure and a defense decides to go after him first and risk big plays in exchange for added pressure on the quarterback, Dak will struggle.
But Kellen Moore has always been for real, and without him the Cowboys would not be having the success their offense has seen.
Now it remains to be seen how well Dak can handle the pressure as defenses begin to understand that pressure is their best hope for defense.

still with the Moore wa a great QB stuff......and no other team signed him when he was available to sign....geesh dude, give it a rest.

how is your fight against alcohol going? still on the wagon I hope.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I still can’t see him as a HC yelling at 30+ yr old players and having a commanding presence in the locker room, it’s so much more than just being good at scheming. but so far he’s shown he belongs as the Cowboys OC at least as much as any of his recent predecessors

I kinda agree but then think of Sean McVay who was younger than Moore is now when he became a HC in the NFL.. That seems to have worked out.. so I don't think it is that big of an issue anymore.. Someone will take that shot on him for sure.

 

[Mannix]

I still need to see him open up the middle of the field more...between the 20's, and inside the 20's....and why not go vertical more....look at Wilson's youtube video's and that is all you see.

 

[Fontaine]

I posted this in a thread after the game Monday night, he’s still young and learning the OC role himself, he’s definitely falling into his own and showing everyone he knows what he’s at. The offense just has a flow to it now that it hasn’t had the last 2 years, it also helps that Dak is the perfect QB for his system.

also would like to give big Mike a shout out, this team looks ready from the the kickoff to the whistle. Last year was a messed up yeah so I’m willing to give him a pass on that, this year, outside of the clock management issues the team just looks so different.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak is cofident in all of them the open reciever is getting the ball..thats how it should be.

I agree. I love having Cooper but when you got other targets capable of making big plays get the ball in their hands when they are open.