I know it is still early, but - Billy C.

[Champsheart]

Billy C. is really scaring me. I think it is time we just shell out a few bucks and bring in a real kicker, if it is not to late.

He has always been scattered with consistnecy, and nothing I have heard from camp so far indicates that has changed, actually it has confirmed he still misses to many.

With the style of ball we are going to be playing, smash mouth, and defense, we will be in many close games, and making FG's will be the key to some Wins and loses.

I just am not comfortable at all knowing games could rest on the foot of Billy Boy.

 

[dargonking999]

Hey =i have a question who's out there huh? Is there a big name kicker out there, dude if there was a better kicker out there BP would sign him, but there isnt thats waht he's bringing in these UDFA to challenge him.


BTW instead of our offense having to kick 40+ FG, how about we get into the friggin endzone, then we wouldnt need a kciker that can kick 40+ yard FG.

 

[Champsheart]

Hey =i have a question who's out there huh? Is there a big name kicker out there, dude if there was a better kicker out there BP would sign him, but there isnt thats waht he's bringing in these UDFA to challenge him.


BTW instead of our offense having to kick 40+ FG, how about we get into the friggin endzone, then we wouldnt need a kciker that can kick 40+ yard FG.

I agree, that is why I said if it is not to late.

I am just hoping that if some team has 2 pretty good kickers, and cut one, we do not hesitate to pick him up.

You know JJ does not like to put money into kickers, I think that needs to change at some point.

I am just hoping we do not have to learn that lesson this season.

Put it in the end zone, heck yhea! Regardless I see no way a couple games, which can make us or break us, do not rest on Billy.

He just makes me really nervous!

 

[dargonking999]

I agree, that is why I said if it is not to late.

I am just hoping that if some team has 2 pretty good kickers, and cut one, we do not hesitate to pick him up.

You know JJ does not like to put money into kickers, I think that needs to change at some point.

I am just hoping we do not have to learn that lesson this season.

Put it in the end zone, heck yhea! Regardless I see no way a couple games, which can make us or break us, do not rest on Billy.

He just makes me really nervous!

Dont forget that game in giants stadium in 2003, wasnt that billy?

 

[NorTex]

Billy C. is really scaring me...He has always been scattered with consistnecy, and nothing I have heard from camp so far indicates that has changed, actually it has confirmed he still misses to many.

Billy Cundiff made ALL of his field goal attempts that were within 40 yards or less. How can he be considered inconsistent. If anything, he is very consistent on kicks 40 yards or less.

 

[Cbz40]

I agree, that is why I said if it is not to late.

I am just hoping that if some team has 2 pretty good kickers, and cut one, we do not hesitate to pick him up.

You know JJ does not like to put money into kickers, I think that needs to change at some point.

I am just hoping we do not have to learn that lesson this season.

Put it in the end zone, heck yhea! Regardless I see no way a couple games, which can make us or break us, do not rest on Billy.

He just makes me really nervous!

Before every kick......I hold my breath, close one eye, cross my fingers, and open another DrPepper.

 

[The30YardSlant]

We have too many questions on this tam to worry about our kicker.

 

[Cbz40]

We have too many questions on this tam to worry about our kicker.

HH before you can be a good armchair GM......all questions need to be resolved.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Also, let us not forget he is hardly a scrub. He's made some big kicks in his career. He made a 52 yarder to send the Giants game into OT 2 years ago, then hit the FG to win it in OT. He hit the game winning kick against Philly the same year. He hit the game winning kick against Carolina 3 years ago. Those are just some of the big kicks hes made. In my recollection, he's never missed a kick that had the game riding on it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH before you can be a good armchair GM......all questions need to be resolved.

I can live with an average kicker if we can solve FS, RT, FB, QB, etc.

 

[Champsheart]

We have too many questions on this tam to worry about our kicker.

Well, I would have to disagree there. 10 years ago I may have agreed, but in today's NFL so many games are so close, and the difference between winning and losing is very little, more now than ever the difference is a FGA.

 

[dargonking999]

and to add to that HH insde the 40 this guy is automatic. If our offense could get in the endzone or inside the 30 we wouldnt have this problem nor this question. Billy is a decent kicker, we cant have superstars at every spot.

 

[dbair1967]

We have too many questions on this tam to worry about our kicker.

actually we dont...

this team is probably going to be in alot of close games and if the kicker is inconsistent and cant even kick well in the psuedo-dome that is Texas Stadium, we are in trouble

anything under 50 yds (and certainly under 45) should be close to automatic inside domes and at Texas Stadium, and with Cundiff even 30 yd fg's are an adventure...he's had alot more "close makes" than "close misses"

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

Well, I would have to disagree there. 10 years ago I may have agreed, but in today's NFL so many games are so close, and the difference between winning and losing is very little, more now than ever the difference is a FGA.

So 10 years ago kickers didnt decide games? Yeah, tell that to Buffalo.

My point is a kicker who can hit anything inside 40 yards and is capable of up to 55 is not a big worry on a team with scrubs at RT, FB, and FS.

 

[The30YardSlant]

actually we dont...

this team is probably going to be in alot of close games and if the kicker is inconsistent and cant even kick well in the psuedo-dome that is Texas Stadium, we are in trouble

anything under 50 yds (and certainly under 45) should be close to automatic inside domes and at Texas Stadium, and with Cundiff even 30 yd fg's are an adventure...he's had alot more "close makes" than "close misses"

David

We dont?

Cundiff is a better, more reliable player than anything at RT or FS.

Again, Cundiff doesnt miss kicks when they count most.

 

[DallasEast]

Billy C. is really scaring me. I think it is time we just shell out a few bucks and bring in a real kicker, if it is not to late.

He has always been scattered with consistnecy, and nothing I have heard from camp so far indicates that has changed, actually it has confirmed he still misses to many.

With the style of ball we are going to be playing, smash mouth, and defense, we will be in many close games, and making FG's will be the key to some Wins and loses.

I just am not comfortable at all knowing games could rest on the foot of Billy Boy.

I agree and personally don't have a problem with Parcells bringing in kickers to compete with Opie... excuse me... Cundiff. Is he a career field goal kicker for this team?

If you weigh that question by his ability to kick between the uprights 29 yards out or less, the answer would be yes. The guy's perfect within that range, but in three seasons, Cundiff is:

82% accurate from 30-39 yards out
61% accurate from 40-49 yards out
38% accurate from 50+ yards out

Some games do boil down to a field goal attempt. Sometimes, it's the most important game of all.

Let's venture into the Nors Twilight Zone for a moment (just kidding, Nors). Let's put Cundiff on the Patriots roster for a second. To win the Super Bowl this past February, Cundiff would have had a 22-yard field goal try to beat the Eagles.

Chip shot for Billy. That's well within his comfort zone and he would grace the cover of Wheaties boxes throughout the country. Great, or is it?

Let's go back both a year and three years, respectively. Cundiff would have had a 41-yarder and a 48-yarder to beat the Panthers and Rams, respectively.

Could Cundiff, a 61% FG kicker have nailed both of those kicks? Vinatieri did and he is only a 71% FG kicker within that range. Yet, while Vinatieri has already proven he's money from that range when it counts the most, Cundiff hasn't.

Cundiff still has to convince me HE'S confident enough to make the money kick consistently. He doesn't exude that sense of calm determination which the better kickers display game after game. Maybe he will one day. I certainly hope so. It could be the difference between a W and a L.

Or, at the very least, his confidence would finally rid me of hearing The Andy Griffith Show theme each time he lined up to try and kick a long field goal. :insane:

 

[smashmouth]

I don't like Cundiff he is way to inconsistant. And I know that people don't think he's important but he's directly responsible for points when we've worked are arses off to get down in the opponents area. And I don't like what he's throwing out there on Kick offs. I want the ball kicked within the 5 yard line on a a consistant basis or a touch back.

 

[Future]

I think this thread would be very different, probably not here if Parcells wasn't so reluctant to kick field goals last year. It seems like at least 5 times they were in FG range and went for it on 4th down. Lets say cundiff makes those 45 yard kicks, hes in for sure. If he misses them all hes probably already gone.

Lets just trade a 2nd rounder and Torrin Tucker for Adam Viniatieri.

 

[Champsheart]

Ok, let me put it this way -

Billy converted 76.9% of his kicks.

That was 25th in the NFL last year.

He only attempted 2 kicks 50 yards or more, and missed both.

No playoff team last year had a kicker with a worst percentage.

Pats- 93.6%
Jets - 82.8%
Steelers - 84.8%
Indy - 80%
Chargers - 80%
Broncos - 85.3 %
Eagles - 84.4%
Packers - 85.7%
Vikings - 81.8%
Falcons - 78.3%
Rams - 79.2%
Seahawks - 92%

If you are going to succeed and win the close ones, you better have a kicker better than 25th in the NFL.

In 3 years Cundliff has never made 80% of his kicks.

 

[smashmouth]

Ok, let me put it this way -

Billy converted 76.9% of his kicks.

That was 25th in the NFL last year.

He only attempted 2 kicks 50 yards or more, and missed both.

No playoff team last year had a kicker with a worst percentage.

Pats- 93.6%
Jets - 82.8%
Steelers - 84.8%
Indy - 80%
Chargers - 80%
Broncos - 85.3 %
Eagles - 84.4%
Packers - 85.7%
Vikings - 81.8%
Falcons - 78.3%
Rams - 79.2%
Seahawks - 92%

If you are going to succeed and win the close ones, you better have a kicker better than 25th in the NFL.

In 3 years Cundliff has never made 80% of his kicks.

:bravo: