I refuse to believe we don't have talent

[coult44]

It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!

 

[CATCH17]

It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!

Sadly, last years success may have set us back years and might've ended any chance of a real coach here in Dallas.

I'm so sick of the Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett types.

 

[Amy50632]

With bad coaching, talent doesn't show on the field.

 

[Derinyar]

I think the problem could be that we had an offense that's designed around having an elite QB and that's what was installed. When you drop from an elite QB to a scrub it stops functioning, especially in the absence of your WR1. Maybe that is a problem, but in general the offense for this team hasn't been a problem in years, except this year. The defense needs to get more pressure, and I swear it seems to be underperforming. I wonder how much of that is related to teams not feeling the need to run a longer more complex offense against us sans Romo.

 

[Cowboys22]

The talent is there but they are running schemes on both sides of the ball that were all the rage 25 years ago. Adapt or die.

 

[CATCH17]

I think the problem could be that we had an offense that's designed around having an elite QB and that's what was installed. When you drop from an elite QB to a scrub it stops functioning, especially in the absence of your WR1. Maybe that is a problem, but in general the offense for this team hasn't been a problem in years, except this year. The defense needs to get more pressure, and I swear it seems to be underperforming. I wonder how much of that is related to teams not feeling the need to run a longer more complex offense against us sans Romo.

The offense has been a problem regardless of what the numbers have said.


Just because Romo is a wizard doesn't mean the offense is any good.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Hard to argue any of that.

For some reason we just seem mediocre, not horrible but just bad enough. We have flashes but inconsistency has doomed us even in areas of supposed strength like offensive line. I don't ever remember Larry Allen having a day like Tyron had against Philly - but he'll come back and be dominant the next game.

For me, outside of Byron Jones the whole season has had nothing positive to hang our hats on. Who has really emerged like Martin did last year? Maybe Gregory until the ankle injury but certainly not Lawrence or Hardy or even Hitchens. Mo has gotten back to being serviceable.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

We have talent. We have a HC who can't keep it focused. Could you imagine what would have happened to Dez if that was Jimmy or Parcells during Thursdays game? Red was busy clapping and thinking of the next team field trip. Cassel isn't so bad that doing a few new things couldn't have won some games. You have to put your players in the best situation for them. He just keeps trudging along with what worked last year minus the players that made last year work. No plan "B".

 

[Frosty]

It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!

Well said.....

 

[RS12]

I refuse to believe we don't have talent

They have some talent. It is over rated by the fan base.

 

[Doomsday]

The offense has been a problem regardless of what the numbers have said.

Just because Romo is a wizard doesn't mean the offense is any good.

With a good offensive line, top 5 WR, and HOF TE the offense isn't even close to being average without Romo out there making magic. It is sickening to watch.

 

[fifaguy]

Tough coaches produce tough teams...

 

[Craig]

Thats really brave of you to believe that dallas has talent.

 

[kevm3]

You simply cannot out talent the league for long in the salary cap era. We're completely wasting our talent with the super predictable schemes. The fact that Dez is used as a multimillion dollar decoy is a huge problem. The fact that fans can guess that we're running on first down 90% of the time is a huge problem. If fans can guess what we're going to do next on offense, what do you think the professionals on the field and in coaching can do? The players are not getting the scheme they need to succeed.

 

[Common Sense]

Dez is injured, the rest of the WRs are average at best, average RB talent. Free is obviously not the player he was. This offense isn't as talented as you think.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Dez is injured, the rest of the WRs are average at best, average RB talent. Free is obviously not the player he was. This offense isn't as talented as you think.

And Romo makes the WR's average. Without him they are terrible.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You simply cannot out talent the league for long in the salary cap era. We're completely wasting our talent with the super predictable schemes. The fact that Dez is used as a multimillion dollar decoy is a huge problem. The fact that fans can guess that we're running on first down 90% of the time is a huge problem. If fans can guess what we're going to do next on offense, what do you think the professionals on the field and in coaching can do? The players are not getting the scheme they need to succeed.

This. You have to use the talent you have. Not be pig headed and just wash, rinse and repeat.

 

[BlueStar22]

I'm tired of hearing how great our offensive line is. Romo could make a sandwich in the pocket last year. He gets knocked out twice this year by pretty much with the same "best in the nfl" offensive line. Also, talent should have won at least 2 of those 7 games. Still no pass rush. Safeties still suck. Injuries and missed time by suspended players, it all played a role.

 

[LatinMind]

It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!

Really liked your post.

And i think you can look at the draft profiles of 2 of the players Dallas depends on to find somewhat of a answer. You brought up a good point about these avg QBs marching their teams up and down the field. Then look at who Dallas depends on.

Dez Bryant, all the talent in the world. And quite possibly the most fierce WR in the NFL, when he has the ball. When he doesnt what does dallas have? A guy who doesnt run his routes full stride. Or wont even run a route but just jog when the ball is snapped and walk back to the huddle.

Dez's draft profile:
WEAKNESSES
There are some questions surrounding Bryant’s maturity level. Does not always show a high level of effort away from the ball. Was able to get open with pure athleticism in college but needs to run more precise routes at the next level.

What you read there, isnt that basically what you see when Dez doesnt get thrown the ball? Dont we see that all too much with him?

TW, has decent chemistry with Romo but drops too many easy passes, and disappears to idk where alot of the time. Sometimes you forget he's on the field.

TW draft profile
WEAKNESSES
Pure outside receiver. Does not run a variety routes in Baylor’s offense. Routes are not always completed if he is not primary target. Inconsistent making his man miss after the catch, has some short-area quickness but better tacklers wraps up his long legs quickly. Tracks the ball well, but lets it get into his body and isn’t a natural hands catcher.

Dallas put its hopes on two lazy, me first players. Love both of them and what they do, but too bad if the ball isnt going to them they put themselves before the goal of the team.

You dont see this problem with guys like Witten and Beasley. Why? Because they go 100% all the time, they know what theyre doing, they dont run lazy routes. They know where the holes are. IM sorry but Dez i dont think he knows most of the playbook. They guy doesnt know where to be on a hot route or blitz. He runs bad routes.

Hope this answers some of your post.

 

[loublue22]

we have almost no talent on defense