I understand why women think guys are jerks...

[Juke99]

Ya know, there is a lot of talk today regarding the horrendous incident in Detroit.

I've heard people say they are embarrassed to be Detroiters...embarrassed to be basketball fans..etc.

But I'll take it one step further, I'm embarrassed to be a guy.

I've gone to a number of sporting events in my life and I have to say that I've never felt comfortable to simply sit in the stands and root for my team without having to keep an eye on what's going on around me. The reason? Because you can always count on a group of jerks, who have been drinking beer for hours, to start a fight. And might I add, it is not isolated, it is prevalent.

Good luck if you are rooting for the visiting team, as I have done often when the Cowboys visit NY.

Last night's episode in Detroit says it all. The players are in the heat of battle and I understand them getting kinda chippy with eachother. I'll even give Ben Wallace and Ron Artest lattitude for doing what they did on the court...we've all been there...adrenaline flowing, etc.

Artest had NO business going up into the stands because some fool threw a plastic cup of beer at him. So I am not cutting him any slack for doing so.

BUT...That said, please, someone inform me, why does going to a basketball game, football game, etc go hand in hand with getting totally s--- faced? What do the two have to do with eachother? Is it guy's night out and because these guys feel like such impotent losers, they are driven to prove their manhood by throwing beer at other fans, players, etc?

And then, of course, the next step is ALWAYS a brawl...

I'm the proud owner of a second degree brown belt in Tae Kwon Do. I have NEVER used my knowledge of that martial art in an offensive manner and also, rarely in a defensive one. I try to talk my way out of everything and if that fails, either walk away, or as a last resort, I do what I have to.

But I've gone to games with my girlfriend and have cringed because of the number of red eyed, incoherent, beer numbed jerks... who are always, guys.

And ya know, I hate that identification...

Male sports fan= Beer drinking Moron

But I understand the correlation more and more with each passing day.

What a bunch of losers last night...

 

[jacs]

Detroit fans are punks and what they should do is what it was done to a Mexican soccer team which was in their next home game (playoffs) not allow any fans to attend the game but i doubt that will happen since Stern has the fans back

 

[Juke99]

Detroit fans are punks and what they should do is what it was done to a Mexican soccer team which was in their next home game (playoffs) not allow any fans to attend the game but i doubt that will happen since Stern has the fans back

Ah, last night was extreme....I get a kick out of NY having the reputation that it does...yet we NEVER have extreme situations like that in NY...no baseball players throwing chairs into the stands....or a fan rushing the field, tackling a first base coach and punching the day lights out of him...or riots when we win a championship...

Nada.

But in the stands, there are just as many jerks as anywhere else. And ya know, unlike us, die hard fans of our team, I dont even think the home team forfeiting a game would make any difference because these guys aren't there for the game.

No way I wanna drop $300 on tickets and get so stinking drunk that I can't even follow the game. That's not a fan.

 

[jacs]

very true, maybe they should cut the ammount of alcohol they sell

 

[Bizwah]

I don't understand why people feel the need to drink period.

I know my view is very unpopular, and may sound preachy. I certainly don't wish to condemn folks that do drink.

But why do you want to lose control of yourself?

I see more harm come from alcohol than any good. I've seen folks start fights and act like total jerks...then they'll apologize the next day and say, "Well, I was drunk." As if that's supposed to make it ok?

How?

Ten years ago, I lost a friend to alcohol poisoning. And since then I've had little patience with alcohol. I certainly haven't had a sip of alcohol since then.

I remember going to Texas Stadium when beer wasn't allowed. It was a nice, clean atmosphere.

Why do we need to mix alcohol and sports? I understand why the businesses get together. But I don't understand why fans feel the necessity to mix the two.

I'll climb down off the soapbox now.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. I'm just tired of sporting events of every type being contaminated by alcohol.

 

[Juke99]

I don't understand why people feel the need to drink period.

I know my view is very unpopular, and may sound preachy. I certainly don't wish to condemn folks that do drink.

But why do you want to lose control of yourself?

I see more harm come from alcohol than any good. I've seen folks start fights and act like total jerks...then they'll apologize the next day and say, "Well, I was drunk." As if that's supposed to make it ok?

How?

Ten years ago, I lost a friend to alcohol poisoning. And since then I've had little patience with alcohol. I certainly haven't had a sip of alcohol since then.

I remember going to Texas Stadium when beer wasn't allowed. It was a nice, clean atmosphere.

Why do we need to mix alcohol and sports? I understand why the businesses get together. But I don't understand why fans feel the necessity to mix the two.

I'll climb down off the soapbox now.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. I'm just tired of sporting events of every type being contaminated by alcohol.

A heck of a good post. I couldn't agree more.

I'll lay off the ban alcohol entirely discussion cuz I was just trying to keep this somewhat sports related....but drinking at a sporting event? I have no idea of the connection...

I feel the same way though about office Christmas parties...an excuse to get RIP ROARING drunk...uh, sure, a holiday tradition...mistletoe; Santa; and vomitting...go figure

 

[Bizwah]

A heck of a good post. I couldn't agree more.

I'll lay off the ban alcohol entirely discussion cuz I was just trying to keep this somewhat sports related....but drinking at a sporting event? I have no idea of the connection...

I feel the same way though about office Christmas parties...an excuse to get RIP ROARING drunk...uh, sure, a holiday tradition...mistletoe; Santa; and vomitting...go figure

Yeah, I'm a student of history......I know Prohibition is a failure.

It certainly should remain a choice. But I wish people would keep it home.

I'll never understand what the draw is though.

 

[Juke99]

Yeah, I'm a student of history......I know Prohibition is a failure.

It certainly should remain a choice. But I wish people would keep it home.

I'll never understand what the draw is though.

ESPECIALLY if ya can't handle it...

 

[jacs]

i guess they drink because its cool http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v194/dmxinsd/shrug.gif

 

[Juke99]

i guess they drink because its cool http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v194/dmxinsd/shrug.gif

I stopped "predicting" or trying to understand human behavior a long time ago.

All I know is that when I go to a ball game, or a concert, I'd like to enjoy it...scream my lungs out....and not worry about who's gonna spill a beer on my head...who's going to say something to my gf that's gonna tick me off...

That's why staying at home, DirecTv..and surround sound, works better anyway.

 

[BigD_95]

I found no problem with the way the fans acted besides the first guy who threw the cup. He was out of line but everyone else responded to Artest running into the stands. Artest had no reason to go into the fans. He should have let security handle it. Once they entered the stands they were open game.

I think the fans did less by throwing beer then the players who were throwing punches.

 

[jacs]

I found no problem with the way the fans acted besides the first guy who threw the cup. He was out of line but everyone else responded to Artest running into the stands. Artest had no reason to go into the fans. He should have let security handle it. Once they entered the stands they were open game.

I think the fans did less by throwing beer then the players who were throwing punches.

fans were punching back especially on big black guy were he tried to sucker punch Freddie Jones who was trying to break things up. Stern just screwed the Pacers and the players with the exception of Artest and told the fans that they can do whatever they want to the players.

 

[Danny White]

But I'll take it one step further, I'm embarrassed to be a guy.

I will say... without the slightest fear of exaggeration... that some of the worst-behaving fans I have ever seen at a sporting event are WOMEN.

I have seen drunk women acting so obnoxiously at football games, that I actually wondered why the guy/guys they were laying into DIDN'T smack her.

In truth, the "taboo" against hitting women is probably the reason they are capable of acting so badly. You or I would have to think twice before spouting off because we know we could get popped if we get out of line... but a woman knows that her breaking point is quite a bit higher.

And more times than not, sitting next to that obnoxious drunk woman is a boyfriend/husband who just wishes she'd shut the hell up before he gets HIS asss kicked!

Anyway, I don't disagree with most of what you had to say... just that a woman is just as likely to have thrown a beer at Artest as a man (if not more likely).

 

[Juke99]

I will say... without the slightest fear of exaggeration... that some of the worst-behaving fans I have ever seen at a sporting event are WOMEN.

I have seen drunk women acting so obnoxiously at football games, that I actually wondered why the guy/guys they were laying into DIDN'T smack her.

In truth, the "taboo" against hitting women is probably the reason they are capable of acting so badly. You or I would have to think twice before spouting off because we know we could get popped if we get out of line... but a woman knows that her breaking point is quite a bit higher.

And more times than not, sitting next to that obnoxious drunk woman is a boyfriend/husband who just wishes she'd shut the hell up before he gets HIS asss kicked!

Anyway, I don't disagree with most of what you had to say... just that a woman is just as likely to have thrown a beer at Artest as a man (if not more likely).

I suppose that where you are coming from, regarding women and their behavior is accurate....but for every obnoxious woman there are 500 drunken guys.

So sure, they can be every bit as rude...but the vast majority of schmucks at these games are guys..

And ya know what....I'll add another twist to this...

So, I'm watching the game this weekend...more aware of my "guyosity" then before and I realize, every other commercial is about a pick up truck, driving through mud, towing a mountain, with some baritone announcer saying "If you buy this truck, your private parts will become larger".....OY....

And what are the other commercials about? Beer.

Ya know, I just hate stereotypes of any kind...but particularly ones that effect me

 

[Juke99]

I found no problem with the way the fans acted besides the first guy who threw the cup. He was out of line but everyone else responded to Artest running into the stands. Artest had no reason to go into the fans. He should have let security handle it. Once they entered the stands they were open game.

I think the fans did less by throwing beer then the players who were throwing punches.

How about the fans that made their way on to the court?

How about the ones that were dumping beer and garbage on the Pacer players when they were leaving the court?

I had a problem with them.

BTW, I think Artest got what he deserved..he's a punk...if he was so interested in having a fight, like he demonstrated going into the stands and hitting that guy who came out on the court, why didn't he just fight Wallace?

 

[Rude]

I agree, we guys are morons. Thats why I stoped going to sporting events with my GF, way too much trouble. I'll do an example, if a girl is trying to flirt with a guy (thats with his GF at the moment) she will look at the guy and make eye contact. When a guy tries to flirt with a girl (who is with her BF at the moment) the guy will whistle and say lewd things or make it extreamly obviouse that he wants some. We guys need to start acting proper.

 

[jacs]

this makes artest going into the fans like dog poo Knocked da ***** out

 

[jamez25]

BTW, I think Artest got what he deserved..he's a punk...if he was so interested in having a fight, like he demonstrated going into the stands and hitting that guy who came out on the court, why didn't he just fight Wallace?

because Ben Wallace is about 6'9'' and 250 and that guy in the stands was puny....Ron Artest = choad and a half.