I'd really like to crush the Lions

[LovinItAll]

A win is a win, and I'll be thankful to escape with a W in any capacity but I'd really like to rout them.

First because of being down 21-0, and then going to the wire with the chiefs. Yes we won, no there aren't any style points, but neither were decisive victories even if they were impressive, and I'd like to really put a stamp on this win streak by blowing out the Lions to give the guys a bunch of confidence, and talking heads something to suck on.

And lastly because of how they ran up the score on us last time, hopefully there's no love lost and we put belt to a...

But again, any win i'm happy with. A whooping and I'm ecstatic

A win is a win, and I'll be thankful to escape with a W in any capacity but I'd really like to rout them.

First because of being down 21-0, and then going to the wire with the chiefs. Yes we won, no there aren't any style points, but neither were decisive victories even if they were impressive, and I'd like to really put a stamp on this win streak by blowing out the Lions to give the guys a bunch of confidence, and talking heads something to suck on.

And lastly because of how they ran up the score on us last time, hopefully there's no love lost and we put belt to a...

But again, any win i'm happy with. A whooping and I'm ecstatic

Gritty wins can have a positive impact on teams, too. A win by any margin and NO INJURIES is the most important thing.

 

[MarcusRock]

Im not avoiding that point at all. You're pretending you know what 70 did or didn't say. These guys cant hear snap counts and you think we can rely on a player yelling as hes running to his spot?

The one thing the video clearly shows is 70 absolutely signaled he was eligible. I dont know what was or wasn't said, and neither do you.

Again, shame on Detroit for intentionally making it confusing. You mentioned they spoke with the officials before the game about the play.

Do you think they informed the officials they'd have one player fake signaling eligibility?

The NFL is surely not going to release any audio because their guy messed up and then avoided a question about what was said. So you have what the players reported themselves. I'm pretty sure they covered everything they were going to do. If they know the rules like I'm sure they do if they're going to try to find loopholes, they know that you need to make an audio and physical signal to report. So you fake the physical and say nothing while the other guy clearly does both.

The other thing I forgot about in reviewing this is that after this game the NFL downgraded that ref crew and they didn't get any playoff assignments that season. If they did nothing wrong and handled it perfectly, why were they stripped of playoff assignments? They needed the rest? Pretty obvious here if you look at this objectively. But we know where we are.

 

[CWR]

The NFL is surely not going to release any audio because their guy messed up and then avoided a question about what was said. So you have what the players reported themselves. I'm pretty sure they covered everything they were going to do. If they know the rules like I'm sure they do if they're going to try to find loopholes, they know that you need to make an audio and physical signal to report. So you fake the physical and say nothing while the other gu0¹111ly clearly does both.

The other thing I forgot about in reviewing this is that after this game the NFL downgraded that ref crew and they didn't get any playoff assignments that season. If they did nothing wrong and handled it perfectly, why were they stripped of playoff assignments? They needed the rest? Pretty obvious here if you look at this objectively. But we know where we are.

The officials may very well bare some responsibility for the call, but to place blame solely on officiating is anything but objective.

The entire intention of reporting eligibility is to then relay that information to the defense in order to make fair adjustments.

No player enters the field of play coincidentally raising one arm and patting his chest. I also believe 58 and 68 both approached the official at the same time creating further confusion.

There was a very obvious intent to deceive. The Lions clearly muddied the water. Its a "mistake" born of their own intention. They aren't the victim here.

After reporting eligibility the referee is to inform the defense and make a stadium announcement. At what point in the process do the Lions not realize the officials have reported the wrong player? Are they hoping they'll just say my mistake and too bad for Dallas? Exactly what is the plan? Detroit got exactly what they deserved, and still had two more chances and blew it.

 

[blueblood70]

Dallas just needs to win but I would be ecstatic to see a Cowboys rout as well. No doubt it would build tremendous confidence within the team, but a win is a win.

Well, the only thing I care about is we come out on top obvious I don't care if it's a dogfight if it's a double overtime game even if it ends in a tie LOL just not a loss...

I think both these teams realize they're both in playoff mode, hell really the Cowboys have been doing this since the Raider game, It's like they can't lose another game till the end of the season philosophy, even though they might have room for one, this would not be the one you need this NFC conference game, against a better team, on your resume, you need to beat them, they are literally right there on your hip for the same spot....

I just hope the Cowboys hasn't used up all their karma you know they're luck..

I mean, when you look at the Philadelphia game coming down from 21 points and beating them in that fashion starting out slow against the Chiefs you know down 7 nothing you're behind a couple of times them coming back against those two teams', quality teams, did they shoot their shot already?


Is this a team of destiny or do they fall back down to earth ,that's my fear.. Especially as a fan For me this year my Longhorns are falling short we're also wait waiting on our playoff destinies it's probably not going to happen but we did in the same year Beat OU, big time win for us against a rival and then the last game we beat the Aggies who were undefeated Should of beat us, But what happened another crazy second half where one of my teams steps up puts the hammer down and wins a game they were not supposed to...

So just from my standpoint This is more in one year from my football karma being shined down on from the football gods is there any more left in the past, I'd say no..

 

[lurkercowboy]

The officials may very well bare some responsibility for the call, but to place blame solely on officiating is anything but objective.

The entire intention of reporting eligibility is to then relay that information to the defense in order to make fair adjustments.

No player enters the field of play coincidentally raising one arm and patting his chest. I also believe 58 and 68 both approached the official at the same time creating further confusion.

There was a very obvious intent to deceive. The Lions clearly muddied the water. Its a "mistake" born of their own intention. They aren't the victim here.

After reporting eligibility the referee is to inform the defense and make a stadium announcement. At what point in the process do the Lions not realize the officials have reported the wrong player? Are they hoping they'll just say my mistake and too bad for Dallas? Exactly what is the plan? Detroit got exactly what they deserved, and still had two more chances and blew it.

That is exactly the point. No matter what gestures or signs the players made, it is the announcement that matters. Not announced means not eligible. Throwing to a guy not eligible is 100% on the Lions. Trying to fool the defense as to who is reporting eligible is dumb to start with because the officials inform the defense.

 

[Proof]

Being down 21-0 against the eagles and coming back to win is better than a blowout victory especially with this team who has had a history of being front runners. They showed something that game.

A win is a win. We need them any way we can. No styles points in the standings

yeah i already mentioned no style points directly. and sure it was a wonderful comeback, it woukd just also be nice to not be in that position. point being that they beat the raiders and weed out losable games the next two. record sats 3-0 which is all that matters and i love, but bookending it with a stomping of the last “test” would really add to their legitimacy (to me)

 

[Proof]

Wrong...fake news. The only statement is that they won the game.

The Cowboys have not done anything to make some little statement.

that’s kinda the point of making a statement.

 

[CWR]

That is exactly the point. No matter what gestures or signs the players made, it is the announcement that matters. Not announced means not eligible. Throwing to a guy not eligible is 100% on the Lions. Trying to fool the defense as to who is reporting eligible is dumb to start with because the officials inform the defense.

The lions victim card has always been trash.

I love how they blame the officials but completely ignore the tripping call that occurred before that play, as well as the fact they had TWO more chances.

The way Dan Campbell handled the aftermath of that game made me hate the lions and their whiny fans.

Id love nothing more than to smash them Thursday.

 

[MarcusRock]

The officials may very well bare some responsibility for the call, but to place blame solely on officiating is anything but objective.

The entire intention of reporting eligibility is to then relay that information to the defense in order to make fair adjustments.

No player enters the field of play coincidentally raising one arm and patting his chest. I also believe 58 and 68 both approached the official at the same time creating further confusion.

There was a very obvious intent to deceive. The Lions clearly muddied the water. Its a "mistake" born of their own intention. They aren't the victim here.

After reporting eligibility the referee is to inform the defense and make a stadium announcement. At what point in the process do the Lions not realize the officials have reported the wrong player? Are they hoping they'll just say my mistake and too bad for Dallas? Exactly what is the plan? Detroit got exactly what they deserved, and still had two more chances and blew it.

Who said the blame was solely on the officials? I responded to someone who said it was solely the Lions error in reporting and I pointed out how the refs messed up. The Lions didn't make an error in reporting. They knew the rule and tried to exploit a loophole that they covered with the refs before the game. The ref is the one who ignored their own rule in the heat of the moment. So now you too agree the refs had some blame. That was my point from jump.

If you now want to pivot to Detroit's end of things, of course they intended to deceive with our team's reputation for failing in big moments. It's called due diligence. After the wrong announcement it was on the bench to stop play. If you watch the players, part of their scheme was to run up on the line and look for Cowboys confusion. When they saw a defender looking for 70 they figured 68 was in the clear and ran the play for him. But the refs clearly messed up the plan. So yeah, Detroit was the victim here. They never got a chance to see if their scheme (one they covered with officials before the game) would work. The NFL all but admitted it and now finally, you do too.

 

[CWR]

Who said the blame was solely on the officials? I responded to someone who said it was solely the Lions error in reporting and I pointed out how the refs messed up. The Lions didn't make an error in reporting. They knew the rule and tried to exploit a loophole that they covered with the refs before the game. The ref is the one who ignored their own rule in the heat of the moment. So now you too agree the refs had some blame. That was my point from jump.

If you now want to pivot to Detroit's end of things, of course they intended to deceive with our team's reputation for failing in big moments. It's called due diligence. After the wrong announcement it was on the bench to stop play. If you watch the players, part of their scheme was to run up on the line and look for Cowboys confusion. When they saw a defender looking for 70 they figured 68 was in the clear and ran the play for him. But the refs clearly messed up the plan. So yeah, Detroit was the victim here. They never got a chance to see if their scheme (one they covered with officials before the game) would work. The NFL all but admitted it and now finally, you do too.

You're initial response put every bit of accountability on the refs.

The Lions did make an error in reporting. They purposely sent out two players to report (or not) at the same time while having a third players give two different hand signals to indicate he was checking in eligible.

Then we the official relayed eligibility to the defense and stadium they did nothing despite hearing it was the wrong player.

They muddied the waters and it backfired period.

You have to be kidding me if you expect me to believe the officials were told pre-game that the Lions would have a fake signaler pretending to be eligible. They are not going to be a part of the Lions ruse.

 

[Denim Chicken]

The lions victim card has always been trash.

I love how they blame the officials but completely ignore the tripping call that occurred before that play, as well as the fact they had TWO more chances.

The way Dan Campbell handled the aftermath of that game made me hate the lions and their whiny fans.

Id love nothing more than to smash them Thursday.

Agree. Furthermore, if we're well ahead we should report one of our linemen eligible and have Dak throw them a tuddy.

 

[MarcusRock]

You're initial response put every bit of accountability on the refs.

The Lions did make an error in reporting. They purposely sent out two players to report (or not) at the same time while having a third players give two different hand signals to indicate he was checking in eligible.

Then we the official relayed eligibility to the defense and stadium they did nothing despite hearing it was the wrong player.

They muddied the waters and it backfired period.

You have to be kidding me if you expect me to believe the officials were told pre-game that the Lions would have a fake signaler pretending to be eligible. They are not going to be a part of the Lions ruse.

Again, you conveniently continue to ignore the actual rule per the NFL's own words: verbal AND physical signal. You never even repeat both requirements when talking about the rule. Why is that? You can't ignore it out of existence. It's the crux of the ruse Detroit was running so my guess is that's the reason.

If you're going to exploit a loophole (which actually isn't a loophole inasmuch as a half-compliance), why would you NOT cover you're going to do a half-compliance? Makes no sense not to or you risk having it all blow up if the refs get surprised by it. This is logic here and about knowing a rule so well that you bet on the other team not catching it in the moment. This is not hard to see without bias. Per the rules, Detroit did nothing wrong with reporting.

The accountability goes mainly on the refs who should be counted on to do their jobs. This was not their first exposure to the plan. They were told about it pre-game. Counting on Detroit to clean up the refs' mess when they took the time to cover it with them pre-game is unfair to them and why they are the victims in the situation. Again, the NFL demoted the crew after the game. You can't fault a team for a good idea.

 

[blueblood70]

The officials may very well bare some responsibility for the call, but to place blame solely on officiating is anything but objective.

The entire intention of reporting eligibility is to then relay that information to the defense in order to make fair adjustments.

No player enters the field of play coincidentally raising one arm and patting his chest. I also believe 58 and 68 both approached the official at the same time creating further confusion.

There was a very obvious intent to deceive. The Lions clearly muddied the water. Its a "mistake" born of their own intention. They aren't the victim here.

After reporting eligibility the referee is to inform the defense and make a stadium announcement. At what point in the process do the Lions not realize the officials have reported the wrong player? Are they hoping they'll just say my mistake and too bad for Dallas? Exactly what is the plan? Detroit got exactly what they deserved, and still had two more chances and blew it.

Yeah but as a fan defending that game's outcome ,that would have never had a even been debatable ,because they called the tripping call on the Cowboys, and it should have been on the Lions,

they would have never ever had the opportunity to make that mistake, the reporting mistake, I don't want to hear the crying the referees tried to hand the Lions the game by making a huge mistake that the Cowboys had they lost that game, would have been sitting here doing the same thing, it would have been solely on the referees, whoever made that mistake, but I'm not going to sit here and let people use that end of the game scenario is why the Lions lost,

no ,they lost because they didn't cover the Cowboys well a couple of times ,and the referees call the tripping call on us and extended their time on the field they should have never had.

Case closed Game Went to the winner no debate we're the ones that have the argument. It's like right now it's still is gnawing at me about that three seconds that went by on a 1 second frozen clock and ended up giving the Green Bay Packers a chance to kick a field goal when that should have never happened it shouldn't have been a 40 40 tie the Cowboys should have won that game and our record would be much better but there's no way to fix it so why keep crying about it right I can't believe the Lions still whining about that and act like last year's game was a revenge game And piled on not realizing they would have to see us again..

Bring it!! lol

 

[MarcusRock]

It's like right now it's still is gnawing at me about that three seconds that went by on a 1 second frozen clock and ended up giving the Green Bay Packers a chance to kick a field goal when that should have never happened

What in Hades are you talking about? Where does the clock freeze and what is on the clock when the ball hits the ground? You people, I swear. Lol.

 

[CWR]

Yeah but as a fan defending that game's outcome ,that would have never had a even been debatable ,because they called the tripping call on the Cowboys, and it should have been on the Lions,

they would have never ever had the opportunity to make that mistake, the reporting mistake, I don't want to hear the crying the referees tried to hand the Lions the game by making a huge mistake that the Cowboys had they lost that game, would have been sitting here doing the same thing, it would have been solely on the referees, whoever made that mistake, but I'm not going to sit here and let people use that end of the game scenario is why the Lions lost,

no ,they lost because they didn't cover the Cowboys well a couple of times ,and the referees call the tripping call on us and extended their time on the field they should have never had.

Case closed Game Went to the winner no debate we're the ones that have the argument. It's like right now it's still is gnawing at me about that three seconds that went by on a 1 second frozen clock and ended up giving the Green Bay Packers a chance to kick a field goal when that should have never happened it shouldn't have been a 40 40 tie the Cowboys should have won that game and our record would be much better but there's no way to fix it so why keep crying about it right I can't believe the Lions still whining about that and act like last year's game was a revenge game And piled on not realizing they would have to see us again..

Bring it!! lol

Im not ignoring the rule. Im not even saying the refs didn't play a part. Im simply pointing out the Lions were a product of their own deceptive practices.

I think its ridiculous you keep going on about verbal confirmation when no one actually knows what was said on the field. You have pointed out the officials weren't going to accept fault, and neither would the Lions players or coaches.

Then you point towards that officiating crews from being marked down and not officiating in the playoffs, but act as if there couldn't be further context. For example, the Lions drive should have been over before any of this if it wasn't for a bogus tripping call.

Whether there was verbal confirmation or not we know the officials thought 70 was the eligible player. So he signaled, the officials pointed back, informed the defense and announced over the stadium. In that period of time Detroit still thought they were getting away with something.

The very intent of eligibility requirements is to allow the defense to make fair adjustments. Detroit went against the spirit of the rule.

They confused the officials and no matter how much you parrot this was spoken about pregame they absolutely didn't tell the officials they'd be sending out a fake signaler. There is zero chance the officiating crews would be complicit in their scam.

Furthermore they are coming real close to 15 yards for "palpable unfair" conduct.

 

[MarcusRock]

Im not ignoring the rule. Im not even saying the refs didn't play a part. Im simply pointing out the Lions were a product of their own deceptive practices.

I think its ridiculous you keep going on about verbal confirmation when no one actually knows what was said on the field. You have pointed out the officials weren't going to accept fault, and neither would the Lions players or coaches.

Then you point towards that officiating crews from being marked down and not officiating in the playoffs, but act as if there couldn't be further context. For example, the Lions drive should have been over before any of this if it wasn't for a bogus tripping call.

Whether there was verbal confirmation or not we know the officials thought 70 was the eligible player. So he signaled, the officials pointed back, informed the defense and announced over the stadium. In that period of time Detroit still thought they were getting away with something.

The very intent of eligibility requirements is to allow the defense to make fair adjustments. Detroit went against the spirit of the rule.

They confused the officials and no matter how much you parrot this was spoken about pregame they absolutely didn't tell the officials they'd be sending out a fake signaler. There is zero chance the officiating crews would be complicit in their scam.

Furthermore they are coming real close to 15 yards for "palpable unfair" conduct.

So wait, you claim that no one knows what was said on the field but you can absolutely know what Detroit didn't cover with the officials before the game? Lol. Why in the world would they approach the officials then? Reporting is simple. Verbal and physical signal. What permission would you need to ask of officials if that's all it took? Use logic here. Any clouding of this with "spirit of the rule" or "palpable unfair" stuff is just added haze to complement your denial. Either way, officials are the people who determine if it's unfair or violates a rule or not. That is why Detroit asked before doing it, wouldn't you think? Logic.

Detroit did nothing wrong per the stated reporting rules. The ref got it wrong which is why he avoided a direct question about what 68 said to him on the field. Everyone saw 68 talk to the official which is why the reporter asked. When you are pointing to yourself and talk to the official, what are you allegedly doing? You think a ref avoiding a direct question passes the smell test if he did everything correctly? There was much more uproar over the Dez catch but Steratore was direct in laying out why it was ruled one way over the other and answered followup questions. Logic. Not denial, logic.

 

[CWR]

So wait, you claim that no one knows what was said on the field but you can absolutely know what Detroit didn't cover with the officials before the game? Lol. Why in the world would they approach the officials then? Reporting is simple. Verbal and physical signal. What permission would you need to ask of officials if that's all it took? Use logic here. Any clouding of this with "spirit of the rule" or "palpable unfair" stuff is just added haze to complement your denial. Either way, officials are the people who determine if it's unfair or violates a rule or not. That is why Detroit asked before doing it, wouldn't you think? Logic.

Detroit did nothing wrong per the stated reporting rules. The ref got it wrong which is why he avoided a direct question about what 68 said to him on the field. Everyone saw 68 talk to the official which is why the reporter asked. When you are pointing to yourself and talk to the official, what are you allegedly doing? You think a ref avoiding a direct question passes the smell test if he did everything correctly? There was much more uproar over the Dez catch but Steratore was direct in laying out why it was ruled one way over the other and answered followup questions. Logic. Not denial, logic.

Sure let's use logic.

The Lions met with officials before the game and infomed them of their plan to intentionally violate the spirit of the rules.

Then not only were the officials like "cool idea, wink wink, but they somehow got confused and made the wrong player eligible.

Yeah real logical, they really ironed that out. If they spoke of the fake signaler before the game wth happened?

And NO "palpable unfair" is clearly defined, as is the intention of why reporting eligibility is required. Its not at all a leap.

 

[lurkercowboy]

It must have gone like this.

Pregame Dan Campbell to refs. “We are going to fool the Cowboys by having linemen A, B, and C signal as being eligible, but we want player B to be the eligible one.”

Ref to Campbell. “Why do you think it will fool the Cowboys when we will announce it to the whole stadium?”

Campbell to Ref. “The Cowboys are so dumb, they won’t pay attention to the announcement.”

Ref announces player A. Campbell doesn’t pay attention to the announcement and throws to player B. Ref throws flag. Campbell vows revenge on the Cowboys.

 

[MarcusRock]

Sure let's use logic.

The Lions met with officials before the game and infomed them of their plan to intentionally violate the spirit of the rules.

Then not only were the officials like "cool idea, wink wink, but they somehow got confused and made the wrong player eligible.

Yeah real logical, they really ironed that out. If they spoke of the fake signaler before the game wth happened?

And NO "palpable unfair" is clearly defined, as is the intention of why reporting eligibility is required. Its not at all a leap.

The refs are the judge of violating rules or "spirit of rules." Hence, they'd have said no when approached before the game, right? Or are you now saying that the Lions went rogue from their meeting and made up a different plan?

Come on, this can't be gotten around. You don't approach with a plan on a simple rule if it's not at least a little convoluted. The refs blessed it and then forgot or got pissy and "forgot" or just didn't pay attention to the actual rule in the moment. Detroit's not responsible for the refs failing on the job. That's why you cover it beforehand to make sure it's allowable. They were allegedly told it was and then it wasn't, then the official avoided questioning about it later. Totally legit!

 

[Relayer]

A win is a win, and I'll be thankful to escape with a W in any capacity but I'd really like to rout them.

First because of being down 21-0, and then going to the wire with the chiefs. Yes we won, no there aren't any style points, but neither were decisive victories even if they were impressive, and I'd like to really put a stamp on this win streak by blowing out the Lions to give the guys a bunch of confidence, and talking heads something to suck on.

And lastly because of how they ran up the score on us last time, hopefully there's no love lost and we put belt to a...

But again, any win i'm happy with. A whooping and I'm ecstatic

They did run up the score. I'd like to be able to do it to them too. I also think Campbell is a meathead. Obviously a good coach, but a meathead.