I'd really like to crush the Lions

[Relayer]

What do they have against Dallas other than their own error by not properly reporting that player eligible in 2023? Too clever by half.

Maybe Campbell is pissed because Jerry didn't hire him. He seems like a woman scorned type.

 

[Relayer]

...I think a win by ten points should do the job.

Continue to build momentum.

Plus if we crush them it could hurt our effort going forward. We get full of ourselves pretty easily.

 

[Relayer]

Crushing is just the topping. You can still eat without it.

But they taste so good.

 

[Relayer]

Road game.. playoff atmosphere.. some recent drama with them. Should be a good test.

I'd like to beat a good team on the road in a noisy stadium. We struggle with that.

 

[diamonddelts]

A win is a win, and I'll be thankful to escape with a W in any capacity but I'd really like to rout them.

First because of being down 21-0, and then going to the wire with the chiefs. Yes we won, no there aren't any style points, but neither were decisive victories even if they were impressive, and I'd like to really put a stamp on this win streak by blowing out the Lions to give the guys a bunch of confidence, and talking heads something to suck on.

And lastly because of how they ran up the score on us last time, hopefully there's no love lost and we put belt to a...

But again, any win i'm happy with. A whooping and I'm ecstatic

"We" and "us". What position do you play on the team?

 

[CWR]

The refs are the judge of violating rules or "spirit of rules." Hence, they'd have said no when approached before the game, right? Or are you now saying that the Lions went rogue from their meeting and made up a different plan?

Come on, this can't be gotten around. You don't approach with a plan on a simple rule if it's not at least a little convoluted. The refs blessed it and then forgot or got pissy and "forgot" or just didn't pay attention to the actual rule in the moment. Detroit's not responsible for the refs failing on the job. That's why you cover it beforehand to make sure it's allowable. They were allegedly told it was and then it wasn't, then the official avoided questioning about it later. Totally legit!

They approached because they knew 70 would have been eligible multiple times before that play and they were also hoping to create confusion bringing both 58 and 68 to the official at the time of reporting. They were trying to clarify there would be no mistakes.

No one has ever elaborated on exactly what was said and Dan Campbell refused to extrapolate from his very general, all encompassing statement.

I dont believe they informed the officials they'd be fake signaling on the play as well.

Just like fake signaling a fair catch. Its not within the spirit of the rules. Its not good for the league and I see no reason to allow it. Next they'll be hiding the ball under their jerseys.

In any event the proof is evident.

Had they clarified the fake signal it would have gone differently. You're theory is the officials are simply incompetent. The very officials you seem to always seem to defend are now suddenly incapable of "paying attention," or they "forgot."

I typically appreciate your knowledge and dont mind debating with you. You've been a good source of information on here as far as im concerned. That said there isn't anything further available to support either of our cases, so ill agree to disagree. I understand your point, I may be giving the league and officiating too much credit, but no I absolutely dont trust Campbell or the Lions players.

 

[Chasing6]

68 went over (with 58) to the ref and says he reported. That was an oral AND physical signal to report. 73 runs on with hand raised like he usually does to report but says he didn't say he reported. The ruse was to hope the Cowboys got 58 and 68 confused as they threw to 68 on the left as 58 lined up on the right. After the game, the ref straight up avoided a question about what 68 said to him when he approached him. Further, the NFL after the game stated that an oral and physical signal needed to be given to report. According to their reports, 68 did that and 73 did not. Campbell also said he or coaches talked to the refs before the game about what they were going to do. The refs got confused and didn't follow their own rules they produced a video about later. You don't avoid a direct question if you didn't screw up. He screwed up in the same way the Lions were hoping the Cowboys would.

Refs don't have press conferences.

The entire point of reporting and announcing eligible players is to avoid confusion.

The idea the Dan Stupid Cambell came up with an idea to confuse the other team and or the Refs is beyond stupid.

The need to discuss their trick play with the Refs tells you all you need to know - intent.

Whether the Refs got it wrong or not is irrelevant.

The players number was announced eligible over the loud speaker. If it was announced incorrectly Dumb Dan should have said something before the play started.

 

[Relayer]

The lions victim card has always been trash.

I love how they blame the officials but completely ignore the tripping call that occurred before that play, as well as the fact they had TWO more chances.

The way Dan Campbell handled the aftermath of that game made me hate the lions and their whiny fans.

Id love nothing more than to smash them Thursday.

They're still crying about the officiating in the 2014 playoff game.

 

[Whirlwin]

I’d like not to have to come back from being behind, like the Eagles and Chiefs

 

[Relayer]

Agree. Furthermore, if we're well ahead we should report one of our linemen eligible and have Dak throw them a tuddy.

I'll even take a taunting penalty from everyone on the offense pointing and laughing at Campbell.

 

[DuncanIso]

A win is a win, and I'll be thankful to escape with a W in any capacity but I'd really like to rout them.

First because of being down 21-0, and then going to the wire with the chiefs. Yes we won, no there aren't any style points, but neither were decisive victories even if they were impressive, and I'd like to really put a stamp on this win streak by blowing out the Lions to give the guys a bunch of confidence, and talking heads something to suck on.

And lastly because of how they ran up the score on us last time, hopefully there's no love lost and we put belt to a...

But again, any win i'm happy with. A whooping and I'm ecstatic

Don’t see it happening.

Now we might get routed…..

 

[Relayer]

So wait, you claim that no one knows what was said on the field but you can absolutely know what Detroit didn't cover with the officials before the game? Lol. Why in the world would they approach the officials then? Reporting is simple. Verbal and physical signal. What permission would you need to ask of officials if that's all it took? Use logic here. Any clouding of this with "spirit of the rule" or "palpable unfair" stuff is just added haze to complement your denial. Either way, officials are the people who determine if it's unfair or violates a rule or not. That is why Detroit asked before doing it, wouldn't you think? Logic.

Detroit did nothing wrong per the stated reporting rules. The ref got it wrong which is why he avoided a direct question about what 68 said to him on the field. Everyone saw 68 talk to the official which is why the reporter asked. When you are pointing to yourself and talk to the official, what are you allegedly doing? You think a ref avoiding a direct question passes the smell test if he did everything correctly? There was much more uproar over the Dez catch but Steratore was direct in laying out why it was ruled one way over the other and answered followup questions. Logic. Not denial, logic.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the refs wouldn't agree to be party to a fake eligible receiver gesture.

 

[CWR]

They're still crying about the officiating in the 2014 playoff game.

Yeah, the one where Ebron initiated contact vs Hitchens. As Ive said before I've grown to hate the Lions and hope we destroy them.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I would love to be up by 28, in kneel down, and pull a Buddy Ryan

 

[ScipioCowboy]

68 went over (with 58) to the ref and says he reported. That was an oral AND physical signal to report. 73 runs on with hand raised like he usually does to report but says he didn't say he reported. The ruse was to hope the Cowboys got 58 and 68 confused as they threw to 68 on the left as 58 lined up on the right. After the game, the ref straight up avoided a question about what 68 said to him when he approached him. Further, the NFL after the game stated that an oral and physical signal needed to be given to report. According to their reports, 68 did that and 73 did not. Campbell also said he or coaches talked to the refs before the game about what they were going to do. The refs got confused and didn't follow their own rules they produced a video about later. You don't avoid a direct question if you didn't screw up. He screwed up in the same way the Lions were hoping the Cowboys would.

Don’t the refs announce who is eligible before the play?

 

[MarcusRock]

They approached because they knew 70 would have been eligible multiple times before that play and they were also hoping to create confusion bringing both 58 and 68 to the official at the time of reporting. They were trying to clarify there would be no mistakes.

No one has ever elaborated on exactly what was said and Dan Campbell refused to extrapolate from his very general, all encompassing statement.

I dont believe they informed the officials they'd be fake signaling on the play as well.

Just like fake signaling a fair catch. Its not within the spirit of the rules. Its not good for the league and I see no reason to allow it. Next they'll be hiding the ball under their jerseys.

In any event the proof is evident.

Had they clarified the fake signal it would have gone differently. You're theory is the officials are simply incompetent. The very officials you seem to always seem to defend are now suddenly incapable of "paying attention," or they "forgot."

I typically appreciate your knowledge and dont mind debating with you. You've been a good source of information on here as far as im concerned. That said there isn't anything further available to support either of our cases, so ill agree to disagree. I understand your point, I may be giving the league and officiating too much credit, but no I absolutely dont trust Campbell or the Lions players.

So you are now saying the Lions went rogue versus what they met with the officials about before the game.

There's no need to meet if all you're going to do is have 70 just run on the field after having reported multiple times, meanwhile have 68 declared as eligible. That's a simple ruse and most definitely not illegal. But if you know the rule and want to explore bending it, that requires a discussion. You can ask officials all day if something is a foul and they'll tell you. There's no chance of a foul if 70 just runs on the field while 68 reports. So that's why you ask if it is a foul if 70 points while saying nothing while 68 points AND tells the official he's reporting (which is the complete rule). Otherwise, a discussion isn't necessary. What else could they have asked about reporting? One option needs no asking. The other does to make sure it's not illegal. Logic. You can't get around it.

If you have paid attention, I defend the refs when I think they're right but also call out when I think they get something wrong. During games or after. Everyone here only pays attention to when I defend refs to the detriment of the Cowboys because they're all worked up. Otherwise they don't care if it's equal the other way. So after everyone on the boards universally says refs are terrible, suddenly they're good for this one play even after avoiding a question about the play after the game? How do you think that would play out in the court of public opinion? Which is more probable: refs being terrible to all teams (having just called tripping on the wrong team earlier) or Detroit doing something different to what they got clearance for after calling attention to it before the game?

 

[MarcusRock]

Refs don't have press conferences.

The entire point of reporting and announcing eligible players is to avoid confusion.

The idea the Dan Stupid Cambell came up with an idea to confuse the other team and or the Refs is beyond stupid.

The need to discuss their trick play with the Refs tells you all you need to know - intent.

Whether the Refs got it wrong or not is irrelevant.

The players number was announced eligible over the loud speaker. If it was announced incorrectly Dumb Dan should have said something before the play started.

You need to brush up on what refs do after the game.

It was a great idea. They just didn't count on the refs not adhering to what was discussed before the game. That IS relevant because the team is not responsible for cleaning up the refs' mess.

 

[Chasing6]

You need to brush up on what refs do after the game.

It was a great idea. They just didn't count on the refs not adhering to what was discussed before the game. That IS relevant because the team is not responsible for cleaning up the refs' mess.

No, NFL referees do not hold press conferences after games.

Instead, the league may release a "pool report" on a specific, controversial call if requested by a media member, which is a written statement from the head official explaining the decision. Referees are not required to give interviews, and this system is in place to address media questions without putting officials in a situation with the same kind of public accountability as players or coaches.

 

[MarcusRock]

I think it's reasonable to assume that the refs wouldn't agree to be party to a fake eligible receiver gesture.

There's more to the rule than a gesture. The complete rule is gesture PLUS audibly telling the ref you're reporting. 68 appears to do that. 70 you can't see his face to know if he said anything but that was obviously the ruse. Otherwise, why meet with the officials before the game on this? If this hasn't been done before, you have to make sure it's not illegal before you try it or risk getting flagged.

 

[Chasing6]

There's more to the rule than a gesture. The complete rule is gesture PLUS audibly telling the ref you're reporting. 68 appears to do that. 70 you can't see his face to know if he said anything but that was obviously the ruse. Otherwise, why meet with the officials before the game on this? If this hasn't been done before, you have to make sure it's not illegal before you try it or risk getting flagged.

The players jersey number was announced to the world to hear. Case closed.