If a QB had 33TD's and 8ints in a season

[KJJ]

Would he be a candidate for league MVP? Just curious since these are Tony's TD/ints numbers in the last 16 games in December and January...you know those months where he is absolutely horrible and holds back our team from hoisting trophies.

He's 11-5 in those games you would have to go back to 1995 when Favre won his first league MVP to find a QB who won the award with fewer than 12 wins. Romo has 30 TD's in his last 16 Dec/Jan games. He had 8 int's over that period but also lost 4 fumbles. If you're going to go by pure numbers which is how most FANS judge Romo those really aren't MVP numbers over a 16 game regular season in this era. The last QB to win the league MVP Aaron Rodgers tossed 45 TD passes and only had 6 turnovers. He led the Packers to a 15-1 record. Tom Brady won the league MVP in 2010 tossing 36 TD's and only had 5 turnovers. He led the Pats to a 14-2 record.

Peyton Manning won the league MVP in 2009 throwing 33 TD's with 16 turnovers but led his team to a 14-2 record. A QB's W/L record plays a huge part in winning a league MVP award but of course most Cowboy FANS only care about Romo's stats which have caused some to proclaim him as the greatest QB in Cowboys history. Don't misconstue my intent Romo is an excellent QB but some of you are way too hung up on his numbers which are good but not to the extent some portray them to be. He doesn't produce league MVP numbers and doesn't have HOF numbers.

 

[percyhoward]

Romo has been a big reason the Cowboys have a chance at the end of every season and he's also been part of the reason they've come up short the past 3 seasons. He's fortunate to be playing in a division where 9 wins have been good enough to make the playoffs the past 3 seasons and the Cowboys haven't been able to reach that win total since 09. He was 1-4 with 7 int's when he was injured vs the Giants in week 7 of the 2010 season so even had he played the entire season that team was pretty much done. In 2011 had he not turned the ball over a couple of times in key situations vs the Jets in the season opener and suffered a second half mega meltdown vs Detroit a few weeks later the Cowboys wouldn't have needed to win in week 17 to make the playoffs.

I know this will sting as much as you cherish passer ratings but in 2012 Romo had his "worst" passer rating game of the season vs Washington in week 17 with the NFC East on the line and a playoff birth. In the game that mattered most that season he played his worst game. If his passer rating is 130-plus in the next 3 games with 9 TD's and no turnovers but plays poorly vs Philly in the season finale with a playoff birth on the line the stigma he has will continue.

The fact of Romo's regular seasons is one example of how fortunate the rest of the team, fans, and owner have been. The fact of a weak division is another. We all remember the individual games, so it's pointless to pick out examples and go back and forth trying to "sting" each other, especially when the whole body of work is there for all to see.

Read up on pass rating and its correlation with wins, and you'll understand why those interested in understanding the "why's" of a team's performance take pass rating seriously. Do that especially if you're going to use pass rating to make a point. Pass ratings allow us to judge individual performance, and Romo's performance in the last game last year was horrible. His performance as a whole in 2011-12 was better than the team's, however. Without his regular season performances the last two years, -- IOW, if his regular seasons are simply average (which still would have been better than the team's performances) -- the team doesn't qualify for the opportunity of the elimination games.

 

[KJJ]

The fact of Romo's regular seasons is one example of how fortunate the rest of the team, fans, and owner have been. The fact of a weak division is another. We all remember the individual games, so it's pointless to pick out examples and go back and forth trying to "sting" each other, especially when the whole body of work is there for all to see.

Read up on pass rating and its correlation with wins, and you'll understand why those interested in understanding the "why's" of a team's performance take pass rating seriously. Do that especially if you're going to use pass rating to make a point. Pass ratings allow us to judge individual performance, and Romo's performance in the last game last year was horrible. His performance as a whole in 2011-12 was better than the team's, however. Without his regular season performances the last two years, -- IOW, if his regular seasons are simply average (which still would have been better than the team's performances) -- the team doesn't qualify for the opportunity of the elimination games.

The Cowboys struggled to be competitive until Romo came along. Everyone who watches the game and gets paid to talk about it knows he's a very good regular season QB his numbers back it up but he's had issues in the most critical games and his numbers back that up. Everyone who covers the game has discussed in detail Romo's big game issues and it continues to anger Cowboy FANS who remain in denial over them. The only games that seem to matter to Cowboy FANS are the games that Romo plays well in regardless if it's a win or a loss. The passer rating stat isn't a useless stat but no stat that I've looked at has a bigger correlation to winning and losing like a QB's TD to turnover ratio especially in do or die games. Romo's TD to turnover ratio in his 6 elimination game losses is 8-12 and it's 2-0 in his only playoff win. Danny White had a higher passer rating than Joe Montana in the 81 title game but lost. Romo's passer rating was higher than Eli's in the first Giants game in 2011 but lost. Romo's passer rating was 106.0 vs the Giants in the season finale in 2011 but his TD to turnover ratio was 2-2.

Romo's 106.0 passer rating didn't point out the missed throw to a wide open Dez Bryant early in that game for what would have been a big play that could have gotten the Cowboys off to a great start. Rarely will you see a QB win an elimination game when they have more turnovers than the opposing QB. Nothing determines the outcome of big games more than turnovers by a QB especially turnovers by them that occur late in those games. Romo may once again have the opportunity in week 17 to rid himself of some of the demons that have haunted him in the games that really matter. It will be another opportunity to gain some respect and prove he's capable of playing his best football when it's down to do or die. QB's win games every season to put their teams in position to win a do or die game and a lot of those QB's fold under the pressure of having to get it done in that situation.

To be a championship QB and gain the respect of fans and those in the media a QB has to come through in those games because that's how QB's are measured. A 1-6 elimination game record is simply not going to get Romo the respect that Cowboy FANS think he deserves regardless of his numbers. His yards, TD's and passer rating may have him ahead of Staubach and Aikman statistically but they don't make him a better QB but you'll never convince some FANS of that because it's all about his numbers with some of them. They correlate greatness with great numbers regardless of the era.

 

[percyhoward]

The Cowboys struggled to be competitive until Romo came along. Everyone who watches the game and gets paid to talk about it knows he's a very good regular season QB his numbers back it up but he's had issues in the most critical games and his numbers back that up. Everyone who covers the game has discussed in detail Romo's big game issues and it continues to anger Cowboy FANS who remain in denial over them.

Not angry here. Just trying to appeal to your sense of perspective.

 

[KJJ]

Not angry here. Just trying to appeal to your sense of perspective.

Not saying you're angry at least you keep our discussions civil despite our differences in opinion.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

So, none of those "other" regular season games of lesser importance are do or die just to get to YOUR do or die games? They just coast along in meaningless, lesser, not so important games to be in a do or die situation? Winning or losing in those "lesser" games just to get to YOUR do or die game means there is no pressure to win?

Tell me Mr. Big Online audience celebrity, how would YOUR do or die games be classified if Romo choked in those less pressure games that get them to YOUR do or die games? Would there even be a do or die game? An elimination game? A significant spotlight game? A big TV audience game? What classification of game would it be if they were out of it because they lost one of those lesser games? Would the do or die choker label just be re-classified spinning the lesser game into some kind of game that matters most or more?

Ha Ha, kicked to the curb again and no answer. No way to spin this?

The Spin Meister's still trying to get up off the curb on this one.

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