If Manziel dropped....no.

[erod]

Where's he going?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

bootleg to the right?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What?

 

[erod]

Perfectly formed pocket. You step up in that in the NFL, or you will get destroyed.

 

[reddyuta]

Perfectly formed pocket. You step up in that in the NFL, or you will get destroyed.

show us the video of this still,maybe we can see where he is going.

 

[erod]

And then there's this....

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/10002597-johnny-manziel-vs-drew-brees/

 

[Little Jr]

If he falls to 16 and there isn't a trade down for us,Cowboy fans better get use to the idea of him being a Cowboy.

 

[xwalker]

Where's he going?

One concept that people overlook is that if a highly rated player "falls" that probably indicates that other teams found problems with that player.

If Clowney dropped to #16, then there's probably some serious issues with him that fans and media don't fully understand.

If Manziel falls to #16, then at least 3 QB needy teams passed on him.

 

[reddyuta]

One concept that people overlook is that if a highly rated player "falls" that probably indicates that other teams found problems with that player.

If Clowney dropped to #16, then there's probably some serious issues with him that fans and media don't fully understand.

If Manziel falls to #16, then at least 3 QB needy teams passed on him.

I agree slightly but there are other factors involved in this and a classic example being Dez who was not even the first WR drafted that year.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree slightly but there are other factors involved in this and a classic example being Dez who was not even the first WR drafted that year.

Denver fans and many others around the league would still argue that Denver got the better player...and he did have a better stats year than Dez last year.
Of course, we're not Denver fans.

 

[maxdallasfan]

Imagine if Romo spent his career behind a line like that.

 

[reddyuta]

Denver fans and many others around the league would still argue that Denver got the better player...and he did have a better stats year than Dez last year.
Of course, we're not Denver fans.

he has peyton manning throwing for him,DEz is a better player than Thomas.

 

[visionary]

No to Manziel at 16

 

[Little Jr]

One concept that people overlook is that if a highly rated player "falls" that probably indicates that other teams found problems with that player.

If Clowney dropped to #16, then there's probably some serious issues with him that fans and media don't fully understand.

If Manziel falls to #16, then at least 3 QB needy teams passed on him.

True but not all teams grad out players the same. Not everyone has jonny graded high. Some teams that do might not be in need of a qb. Lots of factors go into a player falling.

 

[ghst187]

One concept that people overlook is that if a highly rated player "falls" that probably indicates that other teams found problems with that player.

If Clowney dropped to #16, then there's probably some serious issues with him that fans and media don't fully understand.

If Manziel falls to #16, then at least 3 QB needy teams passed on him.

true, Cam Chancellor, Richard Sherman fell in the draft as did Russell Wilson and Tom Brady….all became legit contributors to super bowl championship teams meanwhile Tony Mandarich, Akili Smith, and Andre Ware all were picked at the top of their drafts and went on to bust in a huge way. So its a crapshoot for everyone, not just for the player and his ability but whether they fit in the system, etc.

Manziel could be the next Joe Montana but get drafted highly by the Browns and be a bust, like everyone else that goes there.
Manziel could be a huge bust but go to a team that runs a system that makes him look good.
Who knows.
Personally, I think he'll be more likely to be pretty good and potentially a game changing player. Honestly, I think he's a lot like Romo except he doesn't wilt in the clutch…but guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[xwalker]

True but not all teams grad out players the same. Not everyone has jonny graded high. Some teams that do might not be in need of a qb. Lots of factors go into a player falling.

It's difficult to explain the nuance of what I'm saying.

If a player like Barr falls to #16 then yes there can be a lot of reasons for it. Many teams might like his upside but want a player that they are certain is an immediate starter. It doesn't take much an an issue for a team to pass over this type of player.

You can't say the same thing about a player like Clowney. He is so freakishly physically talented that any team that passes on him is going to do it with a high level of angst because they know they could be passing on a hall of fame type generational talent.

Manziel is in the category with Clowney. Not physically, but in terms of possibly being the next great QB, not just a good one.

Any teams in the top 15 that does not have a high quality starting QB and passes on drafting Manziel is going to do it with a high level of angst, IMO.

 

[Little Jr]

It's difficult to explain the nuance of what I'm saying.

If a player like Barr falls to #16 then yes there can be a lot of reasons for it. Many teams might like his upside but want a player that they are certain is an immediate starter. It doesn't take much an an issue for a team to pass over this type of player.

You can't say the same thing about a player like Clowney. He is so freakishly physically talented that any team that passes on him is going to do it with a high level of angst because they know they could be passing on a hall of fame type generational talent.

Manziel is in the category with Clowney. Not physically, but in terms of possibly being the next great QB, not just a good one.

Any teams in the top 15 that does not have a high quality starting QB and passes on drafting Manziel is going to do it with a high level of angst, IMO.

I don't see him in the same category as clowny. Atleast I don't see the scouts seeing him in that category. Clowny is considered the best at his position by most scouts. I've seen a couple feel mack is. Clowny is pretty much a consensus top 5 if not 3 pick. Clowny is also a consensus top 3 talet in this draft. I've seen johnny anywhere from the top qb in the draft to the 3rd best qb in the draft to a 3rd round draft choice. The best I've seen him on a big board is #11. So the teams needing a qb decide to pass doesn't put up any red flags for me.. just says they aren't sold on him or prefer another qb. I've seen where browns and raider both like carr over him. Could be a smoke screen. I local radio host in houst had 2 scouts call him and one said johnny was a 3rd round pick the other said he couldn't have had a higher grade on him before the proday. I have seen any scout saying clowny is a 3rd round draft choice. I do agree though teams that pass on him are gonna be sweating not taking him. That why I say jj doesn't pass on him if he falls unless someon offers him a great trade.

 

[xwalker]

I don't see him in the same category as clowny. Atleast I don't see the scouts seeing him in that category. Clowny is considered the best at his position by most scouts. I've seen a couple feel mack is. Clowny is pretty much a consensus top 5 if not 3 pick. Clowny is also a consensus top 3 talet in this draft. I've seen johnny anywhere from the top qb in the draft to the 3rd best qb in the draft to a 3rd round draft choice. The best I've seen him on a big board is #11. So the teams needing a qb decide to pass doesn't put up any red flags for me.. just says they aren't sold on him or prefer another qb. I've seen where browns and raider both like carr over him. Could be a smoke screen. I local radio host in houst had 2 scouts call him and one said johnny was a 3rd round pick the other said he couldn't have had a higher grade on him before the proday. I have seen any scout saying clowny is a 3rd round draft choice. I do agree though teams that pass on him are gonna be sweating not taking him. That why I say jj doesn't pass on him if he falls unless someon offers him a great trade.

I try to step back from all of the details that are being thrown out by various media and fans.

There are very few players in each draft where you could find dozens of media and thousands of fans that think that is a future megastar.

Obviously, there are many people that don't like or trust Manziel, but there is a huge number that think he is going to be a megastar.

I personally wouldn't draft Manziel but I also don't want him to get drafted by an NFC East team.

There are people that don't like Clowney because they don't think he has the correct mental makeup to succeed.

 

[starfrombirth]

I'm not a proponent of drafting him in the 1st rnd but lets be fair here. Babe is comparing two completely different parts of their delivery: Bree's is just about to deliver the ball and Manziel is still cocking the gun so to speak. Advance Manziel's a couple of frames and then compare.

 

[Little Jr]

I just don't think him falling says a lot. He's not a consensus top 5 or top10 talent in this draft. Sure there are a lot who like him and a lot who don't. Even with clowny red flags most still see him as a top 5 or better talent. There are 4 teams that need qb before the 16 pick. It is very likely the texans feel like they can't pass on clowny. The jags could like borltes more. The browns could like carr more and try to get him with the 26th pick. The raiders could like bridgwater more. The vikes could be the wildcard then. Even if the pass it wouldn't be a red flag neccessay. If all that happens it wouldn't or shouldn't be a red flag on why he dropped. Teams just like another qb better and the others didn't need a qb.