If no new CBA, can a team cut players without money loss?

[juck]

I am not aware of the rules that go along with this.I heard that a lot of high priced underacheiving players can get cut and the team doesnt have to pay them.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I smell a Roy thread.

 

[juck]

I smell a Roy thread.

If this is true there will be many many cuts coming on some huge names.Anyone?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If you think Jerry is gonna cut Roy after a year of trading a 1st rounder for him you are sadly mistaken.

 

[elcocinero]

If anybody was cut from the Cowboys, i would think it would be Ken Hamlin.

 

[THUMPER]

All contracts will still be in effect regardless of the CBA. The issue is the salary cap and what form it will take if any.

So if we cut a player then any guaranteed money still owed him in his contract will be due him at his release.

I don't know the ramifications to the team if there is no new salary cap. Adam could probably answer this more clearly and certainly more accurately.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If anybody was cut from the Cowboys, i would think it would be Ken Hamlin.

Why? Because there is someone better behind him? Or because his contract is killing Jerry's pockets?

 

[NewJCowboy]

I am not aware of the rules that go along with this.I heard that a lot of high priced underacheiving players can get cut and the team doesnt have to pay them.

Let me guess...you want to know if they can cut Roy, right?

 

[Randy White]

and I have not seen or heard otherwise anywhere, if you're talking about next year being without a salary cap, then yes: teams can cut players WITHOUT salary cap ramafications. In other words, the guaranteed moneys already paid to them will not accelerate towards their salary cap allotment because there is no salary cap.

That does NOT mean that if a contracts calls for guaranteed money still owed to the player can be terminated and the team not pay the money. For example, players who have guaranteed base salaries next year. They could be cut, but the team must pay that guaranteed money, or any other they have left. I'm not familiar with every NFL contract, but there are probably a few players with guaranteed base salaries for next year and perhaps for the year after that as well.

 

[Stautner]

Remember that the CBA is not the actual player contract every NFL player is paid under. It just sets guidleines for how teams and players have to deal with each other. Both the teams and the players will still be bound by the terms of the individual player contracts even if the CBA isn't in place.

 

[Randy White]

Remember that the CBA is not the actual player contract every NFL player is paid under. It just sets guidleines for how teams and players have to deal with each other. Both the teams and the players will still be bound by the terms of the individual player contracts even if the CBA isn't in place.

Exactly. Not to mention that the CBA would still be in place, it's just that it calls for next year to be without a salary cap.

 

[juck]

Ok so what Cowboys will be cut that make decent money now and do not produce?What other high profile players get the axe from other teams?

 

[Randy White]

Ok so what Cowboys will be cut that make decent money now and do not produce?What other high profile players get the axe from other teams?

Well, theoritically speaking, and depending on how we finish this year, FLO, Hamlin, and yes, even Roy Williams, are candidates. Several other factors must also come into play, however.

For example: in Flo's scenario, Free would have to prove he can handle the job for the rest of the year. The better he plays each game, the better the chances are that the Cowboys might cut ties with FLO.

Hamlin is a bit easier. He hasn't produced to near the level he did in his " contract year ", and the team has proven they can find cheaper alternatives during free agency. Hamlin himself was a cheap alternative when he first signed with the Cowboys.

Roy Williams ( and I'm a 100% RW supporter by the way ) is alot more complicated. After this season is over, he, Crayton and Ogletree are going to the be only receivers on the team with contracts. Both Austin and Hurd are free agents. However, if Austin goes on another streak and, basically, takes over as the goto receiver down the stretch, then the Cowboys must rethink their strategy. I doubt very much they're going to want to pay TWO top receivers salaries. Especially in this offense that spreads the ball around so much. So they're going to probably have to answer a question such as: Do they keep RW and lose Miles, or do they cut bait with RW and realocate those resources towards resigning Miles AND Hurd, plus adding a prospect early in the draft ? ( Hurd is not only a nice receiver, but a very good special team player ).

The perfect scenario for the Cowboys is for RW to give them absolutely zero reason to even consider cutting ties with him down the stretch. That would mean that RW would have established himself as the goto guy without question, and resigning Miles becames a priority but not a necessity.

Out of the top of my head, I can't think of any other player who's making serious coin that's not producing enough to what's expected. Maybe, and this is a stretch, MAYBE James Brady, but I think his salary is pretty much within range of his production.

 

[juck]

I agree with the players u mentioned.FLO is probably gone.Hamlin too. RW is probably a casualty as well since he doesnt look to be able to turn things around.

 

[Stautner]

I agree with the players u mentioned.FLO is probably gone.Hamlin too. RW is probably a casualty as well since he doesnt look to be able to turn things around.

Much still depends on contract situations. If we are stuck paying Roy anyway he makes a hell of a No. 3 or No. 4 WR, and the demotion might light a fire under his butt. I don't see Roy being gone unless things just keep going downhill fast from here.

 

[Randy White]

Much still depends on contract situations. If we are stuck paying Roy anyway he makes a hell of a No. 3 or No. 4 WR, and the demotion might light a fire under his butt. I don't see Roy being gone unless things just keep going downhill fast from here.

and/or we don't end up making the playoffs OR losing in the first round again.

T.O. is a perfect example of Jerry not being afraid of cutting bait IF that's what they think it's best. There are a few players on the team who are playing good enough to deserve long term contracts ( not necessarily big contracts, but long term contract ), Austin, Bowen, Sensabaugh, and another who deserves a huge raise ( Ratliff ) and that money has to come from somewhere. They can't pay everybody.

Again, I'm a big RW supporter, but he needs to step up and take charge. He has to have a breakout game, like Stafford in Detroit just did yesterday, and then become a leader down the stretch. Otherwise there's just no reason to justify his contract.

 

[Stautner]

and/or we don't end up making the playoffs OR losing in the first round again.

T.O. is a perfect example of Jerry not being afraid of cutting bait IF that's what they think it's best. There are a few players on the team who are playing good enough to deserve long term contracts ( not necessarily big contracts, but long term contract ), Austin, Bowen, Sensabaugh, and another who deserves a huge raise ( Ratliff ) and that money has to come from somewhere. They can't pay everybody.

Again, I'm a big RW supporter, but he needs to step up and take charge. He has to have a breakout game and then become a leader down the stretch, like Stafford in Detroit just did yesterday. Otherwise there's just no reason to justify his contract.

i don't see TO as a real analogy. Without all the drama surrounding TO I think he would still be here. There isn't constant dissention and a media circus surrounding Roy, so I think the odds are that he will still be with us next year rather than having to eat his contract.

 

[burmafrd]

I am curious. If next year the cap does not exist but looks like it could return under a new CBA could you sign a current player to a new contract that would pay them a lump sum and thus not half to worry about the Cap? Spend a lot of money in the year with out the cap and thus start really low when the cap comes back?

 

[wileedog]

Out of the top of my head, I can't think of any other player who's making serious coin that's not producing enough to what's expected. Maybe, and this is a stretch, MAYBE James Brady, but I think his salary is pretty much within range of his production.

I would say Barber is a better candidate than Brady. Love the guy but he gets paid like a front line, workhorse RB, and he clearly is not. Plus injury concerns going forward have to be considered.

If Felix can show some durability and Choice shows he can fill the role, that gives the team some flexibility.

Not saying it will happen or want it to, just looking at a potentially vulnerable player from a price/performance/depth standpoint.

 

[Stautner]

I am curious. If next year the cap does not exist but looks like it could return under a new CBA could you sign a current player to a new contract that would pay them a lump sum and thus not half to worry about the Cap? Spend a lot of money in the year with out the cap and thus start really low when the cap comes back?

I doubt it. Of course, if it takes a full year to renegotiate, who knows. I doubt it will take that long, and if not I suspect the new CBA will be effective back to the date the previous one expired. In any event I think the salary would be considerd for cap purposes as being spread over the life of the contract. Besides, the owners are the ones that push the cap based on the idea that it is necessary to keep the league in good financial condition, so I doubt they would go nuts trying to circumvent the cap. It would hurt their bargaining position for certain.