If only Hardy would have appealed

[Kaiser]

If someone accuses someone of assault there has to be evidence to support their claim. You can't just accuse someone of assault and that's all you need to go to trial and get a conviction. There has to be "evidence" to support that an assault was committed.

That's why the DA dropped the case when it was time to decide if it went to a jury trial or not. Up until that point in the process everything was driven by the fact the girl had given the police a sworn statement saying she had been assaulted. The fact she completely contradicted that statement in her testimony at the initial hearing is why the DA dropped the case immediately.

 

[Kaiser]

no need to retry the case, but that take is about as naive as it gets

We totally need the photoshopped "Law and Order: Greg Hardy Unit" picture at this point.

 

[KJJ]

no need to retry the case, but that take is about as naive as it gets

You're naïve f you think you can accuse someone of punching you and you have no bruising or any injury to support being punched. A case could never be made and the charges will be dropped.

 

[burmafrd]

There was enough evidence to get him charged and the charges were only dropped because his accuser refused to cooperate. It takes more than someone's word to charge someone with a crime there has to be some evidence that a crime was committed. There's evidence of a settlement between Hardy and his accuser which kept her from wanting to proceed. Hardy was never proven guilty but he was never proven innocent. He put himself in a situation that got him arrested and charged with assault and after the Ray Rice fiasco that rocked the NFL they're going error on the side of caution with anything involving domestic violence. Hardy could have ended up in jail and a conviction would have ended his NFL career so he got off easy with a 4 game suspension and he knows it.

point 1) you really think that BS about evidence is true anymore when you are talking PC crimes like so called domestic violence? HA HA.
Point 2) your so called 'evidence' could be interpreted both ways- unlike you who only wants it one way
Point 3) Proving someone did not do something is like proving a negative. Virtually impossible. And what was done- highly questionable as her so called injuries in no way shape or form matched anything she said.
Point 4) He would have NEVER gone to jail since there is no way the coke ***** would have been credible in court. THAT was why the DA dropped the case since he knew he had virtually nothing.
Point5) his initial so called conviction was because of a judge notorious for only believing the woman's side of the story. Even here with a coke *****.

 

[KJJ]

That's why the DA dropped the case when it was time to decide if it went to a jury trial or not. Up until that point in the process everything was driven by the fact the girl had given the police a sworn statement saying she had been assaulted. The fact she completely contradicted that statement in her testimony at the initial hearing is why the DA dropped the case immediately.

The DA dropped the case because the accuser refused to cooperate it's hard to get a conviction without the testimony of the accuser. The accuser refused to cooperate because there was evidence of a settlement between her and Hardy.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12300188/charges-vs-greg-hardy-carolina-panthers-tossed

 

[Nightman]

point 1) you really think that BS about evidence is true anymore when you are talking PC crimes like so called domestic violence? HA HA.
Point 2) your so called 'evidence' could be interpreted both ways- unlike you who only wants it one way
Point 3) Proving someone did not do something is like proving a negative. Virtually impossible. And what was done- highly questionable as her so called injuries in no way shape or form matched anything she said.
Point 4) He would have NEVER gone to jail since there is no way the coke ***** would have been credible in court. THAT was why the DA dropped the case since he knew he had virtually nothing.
Point5) his initial so called conviction was because of a judge notorious for only believing the woman's side of the story. Even here with a coke *****.

Even his initial, bogus conviction carried no jail time. It was a misdemeanor with 18 months probation and 60 days suspended.

 

[burmafrd]

The DA dropped the case because the accuser refused to cooperate it's hard to get a conviction without the testimony of the accuser. The accuser refused to cooperate because there was evidence of a settlement between her and Hardy.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12300188/charges-vs-greg-hardy-carolina-panthers-tossed

you keep IGNORING THE FACT that a coke ***** would be torn apart in any real trial by any half way competent Defense Attorney. THAT is really why the DA dropped the case. It was unwinnable.

 

[Hoofbite]

Wouldn't have mattered. Probably wouldn't have played if he had appealed.

 

[KJJ]

That is complete nonsense. It ONLY takes one person's word to get someone charged with a crime. People have been convicted of murder on the testimony of a single person, sometimes less.

You can get someone arrested but there has to be "evidence" a crime was committed to be charged. If it was as easy as just calling the police and making an accusation then anyone could be charged with a crime. People have been convicted of murder on the testimony of one person because that one person claimed to be an eye witness to the crime. That's damning testimony. If someone doesn't witness an assault there has to be "evidence" an assault was committed to be charged and go to trial.

 

[Kaiser]

People have been convicted of murder on the testimony of one person because that one person claimed to be an eye witness to the crime.

So when Holder filed a police statement that she had been beaten and had "bruises from head to toe", she wasn't an eyewitness to a crime?

 

[bevo11]

If I had wheels, Id be a wagon....who knows what would have happened.

 

[KJJ]

you keep IGNORING THE FACT that a coke ***** would be torn apart in any real trial by any half way competent Defense Attorney. THAT is really why the DA dropped the case. It was unwinnable.

You have no idea what's going on you're so lost you think "evidence" was her making the accusation. LOL Hardy was originally charged because of "evidence" that supported his accusers claim. Pictures of handprints and bruising on her neck were provided. The case was dropped because she refused to cooperate and it's very difficult to convict someone without the testimony of the accuser. She clammed up because Hardy paid her off he didn't want to risk going to trial and having his fate in the hands of jurors.

 

[csirl]

Doesn't Hardy have a large salary. Decision not to appeal could be a financial one - cap space? Suspended players don't get paid.

Is Crawfords extension a consequence? Some of Hardys unpaid salary allowed Crawford to get more immediately?

 

[KJJ]

So when Holder filed a police statement that she had been beaten and had "bruises from head to toe", she wasn't an eyewitness to a crime?

She was the victim and had the marks and bruises of someone who had been assaulted. The handprints on her neck and bruises were evidence a crime was committed. She didn't just make an accusation she had the evidence to support it.

 

[bevo11]

So when Holder filed a police statement that she had been beaten and had "bruises from head to toe", she wasn't an eyewitness to a crime?

It doesn't work that way. A statement to the police is hearsay at trial, unless it fits under a hearsay exception. A trial is only brought when there is probable cause to bring a case. In situations of domestic violence it can be difficult to establish probable cause given the close relationship of the two people involved. A statement alone will not suffice, there has to be corroboration. If she did in fact have bruises then that could be used to corroborate the statement.

 

[KJJ]

you keep IGNORING THE FACT that a coke ***** would be torn apart in any real trial by any half way competent Defense Attorney. THAT is really why the DA dropped the case. It was unwinnable.

Would have been hard to tear her accusations apart with pictures of handprints and bruising on her neck. She may be a crack ***** but she's still a human being who has rights. Another thing that would have played in her favor was the Ray Rice case that everyone in the nation was appalled by. That would have weighed heavily on the jury which is another reason Hardy paid her off to avoid a trial that could have convicted him and ended his football career.

 

[burmafrd]

Would have been hard to tear her accusations apart with pictures of handprints and bruising on her neck. She may be a crack ***** but she's still a human being who has rights. Another thing that would have played in her favor was the Ray Rice case that everyone in the nation was appalled by. That would have weighed heavily on the jury which is another reason Hardy paid her off to avoid a trial that could have convicted him and ended his football career.

you really have no idea how trials go do you? Those pictures you claim that show so much were disputed from day one. AND once again you miss the point- a crazy woman attacking you is what the Defense would have been in part- and trying to hold off a coke ***** going crazy would also explain those pictures.

 

[Echo9]

I find it hard to believe that one man could make that much of a difference when the rest of the defense and scheme don't appear to be in sync. He is no Charles Haley in my opinion.

He kinda is though. He is very similar to Charles Haley in both ability and intensity.

 

[KJJ]

you really have no idea how trials go do you? Those pictures you claim that show so much were disputed from day one. AND once again you miss the point- a crazy woman attacking you is what the Defense would have been in part- and trying to hold off a coke ***** going crazy would also explain those pictures.

You really have no idea how to get to trial because you think someone making an accusation is evidence. LOL Hardy got charged because there was evidence and the charges were dropped because he paid off his accuser to not cooperate. Without her cooperation very little chance at a conviction so the charges were dismissed. No way did Hardy want to risk facing a jury on this with the Nation still shook up at the punch Ray Rice threw at his girlfriend in that elevator. Good luck to a 6' 4" 265 pound NFL player trying to convince a jury that he put his hands around a woman's neck to hold her off. You don't have to grab someone by the neck to hold them off. There was enough evidence to convict him which is why he settled with her.

 

[Plumfool]

It could be the real reason Hardy didn't appeal is because of his new born child. He could just wanted to spend time with his family before he had to play again.