If the deflategate concludes without the Patriots returning the trophy

[nathanlt]

What do you think of the NFL if the Patriots get to keep the Super Bowl trophy after the investigation is over?

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the league? Cheating is nothing more than a slap on the wrist for punishment. I'll tell you, if the league comes down on harshly on cheating, they won't find repeat cases in the near future.

On the other hand, a light punishment creates a mindset, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying" Given that the NFL has a clown sitting in the VP for officiating desk, they already have a huge mark against them.

This mindset will permeate all levels of football, college and high school included. Cheating should be repulsive to all players, and a lot more is riding on this ruling than most realize. The NFL better not undershoot the punishment, it should be as harsh as possible. I don't care if I see the Patriots reduced to replacement players for 1 year for this defiant, belligerent cheating, it still won't be harsh enough.

 

[DFWJC]

Not sure you've been keeping up.

This thing has been totally unraveling lately.

Let's actually find out if they did anything on purpose to break the rules first.
Then, we'll see how things fall.

My stance has always been here, that if they're guilty, punish them in some appropriate manner--whatever that is.
But I'm not gonna be judge, jury, and hangman without an investigation.
I sure know I wouldn't want that to happen to me.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What do you think of the NFL if the Patriots get to keep the Super Bowl trophy after the investigation is over?

What kind of message does that send to the rest of the league? Cheating is nothing more than a slap on the wrist for punishment. I'll tell you, if the league comes down on harshly on cheating, they won't find repeat cases in the near future.

On the other hand, a light punishment creates a mindset, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying" Given that the NFL has a clown sitting in the VP for officiating desk, they already have a huge mark against them.

This mindset will permeate all levels of football, college and high school included. Cheating should be repulsive to all players, and a lot more is riding on this ruling than most realize. The NFL better not undershoot the punishment, it should be as harsh as possible. I don't care if I see the Patriots reduced to replacement players for 1 year for this defiant, belligerent cheating, it still won't be harsh enough.

Give it back? Seriously?
That's not even an option. Lol



Now, what. Would have been a good question is..... Had the pats lost... Then the investigation finds them guilty.
The fines and picks and mayyyyyyybe a suspension would only be reminiscent of SPYGATE.... Coupled with another SB loss.

But that didn't happen.... So....

"It's over..... And dats dat!..... And there ain't nothing you or anybody else can/will do about it..... Dats it"

 

[nathanlt]

Not sure you've been keeping up.

This thing has been totally unraveling lately.

Let's actually find out if they did anything on purpose to break the rules first.
Then, we'll see how things fall.

My stance has always been here, that if they're guilty, punish them in some appropriate manner--whatever that is.
But I'm not gonna be judge, jury, and hangman without an investigation.
I sure know I wouldn't want that to happen to me.

These 2 facts alone require the league to deal harshly.

1. All but one of the Patriots footballs were underinflated.
2. None of the Colts footballs were underinflated.

No reattacks will change those facts. The Patriots were caught, the league seems to be trying to wage an information war against the severity of the facts, but what I wrote above has never changed. The Patriots are cheaters.

 

[nathanlt]

Give it back? Seriously?
That's not even an option. Lol



Now, what. Would have been a good question is..... Had the pats lost... Then the investigation finds them guilty.
The fines and picks and mayyyyyyybe a suspension would only be reminiscent of SPYGATE.... Coupled with another SB loss.

But that didn't happen.... So....

"It's over..... And dats dat!..... And there ain't nothing you or anybody else can/will do about it..... Dats it"

Of course taking the championship away is an option. That's the right of the commissioner.

 

[zrinkill]

Of course taking the championship away is an option. That's the right of the commissioner.

Would never happen in a million years.

 

[DFWJC]

These 2 facts alone require the league to deal harshly.

1. All but one of the Patriots footballs were underinflated.
2. None of the Colts footballs were underinflated.

No reattacks will change those facts. The Patriots were caught, the league seems to be trying to wage an information war against the severity of the facts, but what I wrote above has never changed. The Patriots are cheaters.

Not true.
No idea if they're guilty or not...but
The original inflation level and location makes a difference.
Already, we've discovered just the underinflated balls were not way underinflated, but in fact "just a tick" below standard. Only one was way below...and it was the one Indy had confiscated.

I realize in your head you know for sure the verdict here.
You may be right.
I choose to take a bit of a higher road...imo.

I've been falsely accused before in my life and was completely innocent. It almost cost me my career before the real truth came out.
I just don't accept penalty before trial, or investigation.
it's your right to feel otherwise.

 

[ROUSH8692]

These 2 facts alone require the league to deal harshly.

1. All but one of the Patriots footballs were underinflated.
2. None of the Colts footballs were underinflated.

No reattacks will change those facts. The Patriots were caught, the league seems to be trying to wage an information war against the severity of the facts, but what I wrote above has never changed. The Patriots are cheaters.

You forgot that the Colts lost by 38 points.... No amount of air in a football is going to change that lol

 

[Rogah]

These 2 facts alone require the league to deal harshly.

1. All but one of the Patriots footballs were underinflated.
2. None of the Colts footballs were underinflated.

No reattacks will change those facts. The Patriots were caught, the league seems to be trying to wage an information war against the severity of the facts, but what I wrote above has never changed. The Patriots are cheaters.

Ah yes, another hater married to the Mort Report.

Sure thing, brah. ESPN said it so it must be true.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

lol.

There is zero chance they'd strip the Patriots of the Championship. I can't even really fathom how anyone could think that would be an actual option.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Just gonna eat my popcorn..

Some post with absolutely "no sense of Spock"... At least I try... Lol

 

[nathanlt]

I guess the information war is on. A swarm of people mocking the punishing of a team whose identity IS cheating,. hmmm. As the investigation concludes, I'm looking intently at the results. Mocking a right and just punishment will not make it go away.

Removing the trophy is somehow off the table? Prohibiting that action is written...um, nowhere.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They are not taking away the tropy...I don't know why you keep harping on that.

Here are the options of punishment if they are found guilty....

Could be one or mix of different ones...

They get fined
They get draft picks taken away
They get coaches or Front Office personnel suspended for a length of time

They are NOT going to take away the trophy.

If they take away the trophy then they also have to say they should have not won the playoff game vs the colts so they will say that was a forfeit of the game in which case would mean that it should have been the colts in the Superbowl instead of the pats and if that is the case do they award the Superbowl trophy to...>The seahawks, the Colts or to nobody.

Not going to happen. The trophy stays with the colts and they either get a pretty good punishment for this as a result of their past transgressions of cheating or they get what most consider a slap on the wrist.


I am not sure anything would be as devestating as taking a superbowl away to keep a team from trying to cheat again...

Maybe Keeping a HC out a full year (Like the saints) or taking away multiple high end draft picks (first through fourth for one year or multiple first round picks through a number of years). to really make it sink in.

So in the end it will probably be a punishment that will universally be seen as weak, and it will not discourage the patriots or other teams from trying to cheat and the NFL will go on and the NFL teams will just find other ways of doing things and trying not to get caught...Like pumping HOT air into footballs and making it more of a chance to deflate while maintaining they did not deflate the balls and so on.

 

[nathanlt]

They are not taking away the tropy...I don't know why you keep harping on that.

Here are the options of punishment if they are found guilty....

Could be one or mix of different ones...

They get fined
They get draft picks taken away
They get coaches or Front Office personnel suspended for a length of time

They are NOT going to take away the trophy.

If they take away the trophy then they also have to say they should have not won the playoff game vs the colts so they will say that was a forfeit of the game in which case would mean that it should have been the colts in the Superbowl instead of the pats and if that is the case do they award the Superbowl trophy to...>The seahawks, the Colts or to nobody.

Not going to happen. The trophy stays with the colts and they either get a pretty good punishment for this as a result of their past transgressions of cheating or they get what most consider a slap on the wrist.


I am not sure anything would be as devestating as taking a superbowl away to keep a team from trying to cheat again...

Maybe Keeping a HC out a full year (Like the saints) or taking away multiple high end draft picks (first through fourth for one year or multiple first round picks through a number of years). to really make it sink in.

So in the end it will probably be a punishment that will universally be seen as weak, and it will not discourage the patriots or other teams from trying to cheat and the NFL will go on and the NFL teams will just find other ways of doing things and trying not to get caught...Like pumping HOT air into footballs and making it more of a chance to deflate while maintaining they did not deflate the balls and so on.

I see how taking the trophy away makes the issue more of a problem, that's a good point. It adds to the repulsiveness of the whole thing to me.

I agree with your cynicism that whatever punishment is given, it will not deter cheaters. Because I have this sickening feeling it is going to be light, based on the reports that seem to reduce the severity of the whole thing. In reality cheating happened. If someone did it on autopilot, suspending Belicheck and Brady will make that never happen again as well.

If a harsh punishment is given, attitudes magically change throughout the league. "Play with integrity" becomes the norm, not the exception.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Ah yes, another hater married to the Mort Report.

Sure thing, brah. ESPN said it so it must be true.

and if its ian rapoport it must be true right! sure thing mr cheatriot apologist.

 

[casmith07]

They aren't going to do anything. The Pats are Goodell's favorite team.

 

[nathanlt]

They aren't going to do anything. The Pats are Goodell's favorite team.

This is why you may be the "best poster in the game" as you put it. I seem to remember he destroyed the videotapes with *Belicheck*. You know the ones that *Brady* used to beat opposing defenses. That's how they got their S*u*p*e*r B*o*w*l* *******w*****i****n****s****

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[BoysFan4ever]

They aren't going to do anything. The Pats are Goodell's favorite team.

 

[Rogah]

and if its ian rapoport it must be true right! sure thing mr cheatriot apologist.

Your problem is there are multiple reports - not just Rapoport - contradiction the original Mortensen reports from those very first days this story broke.

Hate to let facts get in the way of your obsessive hatred.... (actually, no that's not true.... I love facts getting in the way of your obsessive hatred )

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

On topics other than football, I've seen the common tactic listing what's evil about something while giving a blind eye to many of those things being common in many other places. For instance, politicians screaming their opponent sleeps around, then it turns out so do they!

Kind of embarrassing the grown men venting so much.