If Vacarro, Warmack and Cooper are gone, DJ Fluker?

[Marktui]

He is a big boy, athletic and was told to be real nasty. Lane Johnson could be a possibility also. Trade down could also be in play and get another 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

 

[supercowboy8]

No No NO, I do not want a slow footed OT that can not pass protect vs NFL pass rushers. Romo will be killed.
Sure Fluker looks aveage in Pass pro at Alabama, but home many times did bama do 5 step drops and sit in the pocket and throw the ball, hardly ever. 90% of passes were quick slants and three step drops, making it almost impossible to get pressure. Bama was a power man run first team and Fluker would be great for those teams in the NFL. Minnestoa and Seattle are the teams that fit him the best. He does not fit in a zone blocking scheme which Dallas is now running.

We pass the ball 40 times a game, you really want some slow footed RT protecting Romo, not me. I would start Parnell.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Well, who else is gone???? Richardson if he is there, or Tavon Austin.

 

[Rack]

No No NO, I do not want a slow footed OT that can not pass protect vs NFL pass rushers. Romo will be killed.
Sure Fluker looks aveage in Pass pro at Alabama, but home many times did bama do 5 step drops and sit in the pocket and throw the ball, hardly ever. 90% of passes were quick slants and three step drops, making it almost impossible to get pressure. Bama was a power man run first team and Fluker would be great for those teams in the NFL. Minnestoa and Seattle are the teams that fit him the best. He does not fit in a zone blocking scheme which Dallas is now running.

We pass the ball 40 times a game, you really want some slow footed RT protecting Romo, not me. I would start Parnell.

Well all I can say is I'm glad you have no influence whatsoever in Dallas.

Parnell over Fluker? Wow.

And the reason we pass so much is cuz we can't run the ball. Fluker would greatly enhance our running game and be nowhere near as bad as Free the last two years. So Romo would get a better running game AND better pass protection (from the increased threat of the run and from having a better RT).

I'm not saying Fluker would be the best pass protector ever, but he's A HELLUVA lot better then you think he is.

 

[respectdatstar]

With the Pro Day Jarvis Jones had, would you consider him at 18?

 

[BigSarj]

I really like Fluker, he reminds me of Eric Williams. Would prefer Warmack or Cooper, but if they're not there I'm all for Fluker!

 

[supercowboy8]

Well all I can say is I'm glad you have no influence whatsoever in Dallas.

Parnell over Fluker? Wow.

And the reason we pass so much is cuz we can't run the ball. Fluker would greatly enhance our running game and be nowhere near as bad as Free the last two years. So Romo would get a better running game AND better pass protection (from the increased threat of the run and from having a better RT).

I'm not saying Fluker would be the best pass protector ever, but he's A HELLUVA lot better then you think he is.

Well I'm even happier that you have no influence whatsoever in Dallas and what the Cowboys do because you obviously have no clue what your talking about.


You can love Fluker all you want but I have seen him play every game the last three years. Quick pass rushers blow by him without even a touch, he is way to slow for the NFL.

But you can think what you want and stay wrong.

Still wont be able to run with no push up the middle, still need a Center and OG to be able to open holes and get to the next level.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Fluker may fail at OT, but I can see him being the best guard in the draft

 

[supercowboy8]

Fluker may fail at OT, but I can see him being the best guard in the draft

yes I could see him being a good OG, much like former Bama OT Carpenter but still doesn't fit a zone blocking scheme as a OG. Would have to switch back to power man.

 

[jnday]

Well I'm even happier that you have no influence whatsoever in Dallas and what the Cowboys do because you obviously have no clue what your talking about.


You can love Fluker all you want but I have seen him play every game the last three years. Quick pass rushers blow by him without even a touch, he is way to slow for the NFL.

But you can think what you want and stay wrong.

Still wont be able to run with no push up the middle, still need a Center and OG to be able to open holes and get to the next level.

Too.slow for the NFL? You do realize that NFL scouts see things differently don't you? He will start in the NFL for some team next year. Sure he is a power lineman. There is no doubt about it, but how many zone blocking linemen has Dallas brought in since Callahan has come to town. Zero. It wouldn't surprise me if they drafted him if he falls to the second round. Considering the poor running game, it wouldn't be a bad move.

 

[supercowboy8]

Too.slow for the NFL? You do realize that NFL scouts see things differently don't you? He will start in the NFL for some team next year. Sure he is a power lineman. There is no doubt about it, but how many zone blocking linemen has Dallas brought in since Callahan has come to town. Zero. It wouldn't surprise me if they drafted him if he falls to the second round. Considering the poor running game, it wouldn't be a bad move.

Yes some scouts that have man blocking and are a run first team would love Fluker. I would love Fluker if we still ran that scheme, but his drop step and pass protection is bad for a team that passes 40 times a game and have bad OGs. I would be different if we have pro bowl OGs like NO that could help protect.

 

[jnday]

Yes some scouts that have man blocking and are a run first team would love Fluker. I would love Fluker if we still ran that scheme, but his drop step and pass protection is bad for a team that passes 40 times a game and have bad OGs. I would be different if we have pro bowl OGs like NO that could help protect.

I was thinking , to have a better running game they have to start somewhere. Garrett has said that he wants improvement in that area. As it stands , the offense has to pass 40 times a game due to a lack of run blocking. You are right about the lack of run blocking guards. The whole line needs changes.

 

[supercowboy8]

I was thinking , to have a better running game they have to start somewhere. Garrett has said that he wants improvement in that area. As it stands , the offense has to pass 40 times a game due to a lack of run blocking. You are right about the lack of run blocking guards. The whole line needs changes.

I agree that the whole line needs to change. We need new young OL that fits the scheme from LG to RT, but Fluker isn't that, not IMO.

 

[Questfor6]

Trade down If available and try to get an extra 2nd or 3rd and if no suitors I'd take Tavon Austin. He's a game changer who could actually help the Oline out with his quickness on short passes.

 

[TheCount]

To me it comes down to this: Fluker is not head and shoulders above what Phil Loadholt was as a prospect in 2009 and Loadholt went in the 2nd round. Not just the 2nd round, but 54th overall.

If you want to say Fluker is better than Loadholt, I won't argue with you but is he 37 picks better? I really don't think so. I want oline like everyone else, but I refuse to get duped into rushing the selection of a guy by Doug Free.

 

[jnday]

I agree that the whole line needs to change. We need new young OL that fits the scheme from LG to RT, but Fluker isn't that, not IMO.

I think the key word here is "scheme". I don't think a player like Fluker fits a pure zone scheme, but the two free agents signed last year didn't either. There has not been the first move that indicates that a pure zone scheme is what they are trying to run. Dallas has talked with Fluker. This tells me that maybe they are going to run zone schemes with the big guys. This was done some in the 90's with the great Dallas lines. Callahan can coach either scheme or a combination of both. Even the signing of Leary as a coveted UDFA last year points to a combination of both schemes. This is the best of both worlds IMO. One thing is for certain. They are not getting the typical zone blocking type of linemen.

It was reported that Zeitler was the Cowboys top rated guard last year. He is certainly not a zone guard. DeCastro was much better in pulling and movement with his blocking. I just see too many signs that points away from a true ZBS. These moves that I used as examples have been since Callahan was hired, so they must be with his approval. My guess is that Garrett would like an oline that uses a scheme that he knows well. Duplicating the 90's scheme would make sense. Just my thoughts on the subject and trying to add everything up.

 

[supercowboy8]

I think the key word here is "scheme". I don't think a player like Fluker fits a pure zone scheme, but the two free agents signed last year didn't either. There has not been the first move that indicates that a pure zone scheme is what they are trying to run. Dallas has talked with Fluker. This tells me that maybe they are going to run zone schemes with the big guys. This was done some in the 90's with the great Dallas lines. Callahan can coach either scheme or a combination of both. Even the signing of Leary as a coveted UDFA last year points to a combination of both schemes. This is the best of both worlds IMO. One thing is for certain. They are not getting the typical zone blocking type of linemen.

It was reported that Zeitler was the Cowboys top rated guard last year. He is certainly not a zone guard. DeCastro was much better in pulling and movement with his blocking. I just see too many signs that points away from a true ZBS. These moves that I used as examples have been since Callahan was hired, so they must be with his approval. My guess is that Garrett would like an oline that uses a scheme that he knows well. Duplicating the 90's scheme would make sense. Just my thoughts on the subject and trying to add everything up.

the two OGs Dallas brought in are also not long term options, they're stop gaps. You draft for the future and Dallas is moving towards the zone for the future. Every OL they have drafted has been zone blocking players, may not have worked out due to being such late picks but they are moving towards that.

I said last year Zeitler was the better OG in the draft. I wanted him and was hoping he would fall to early 2nd to see Dallas trad eup, but didn't happen. Just because he plays in a man scheme now doesn't mean he couldn't play in a zone scheme. I think he would be just fine as a RG in a zone scheme.

If Garrett and Dallas doesn't want to move to zone scheme then fire Callahan, thats all he has ever ran. Also you can have big guys, just have to be able to move and light on their feet.

 

[jnday]

the two OGs Dallas brought in are also not long term options, they're stop gaps. You draft for the future and Dallas is moving towards the zone for the future. Every OL they have drafted has been zone blocking players, may not have worked out due to being such late picks but they are moving towards that.

I said last year Zeitler was the better OG in the draft. I wanted him and was hoping he would fall to early 2nd to see Dallas trad eup, but didn't happen. Just because he plays in a man scheme now doesn't mean he couldn't play in a zone scheme. I think he would be just fine as a RG in a zone scheme.

If Garrett and Dallas doesn't want to move to zone scheme then fire Callahan, thats all he has ever ran. Also you can have big guys, just have to be able to move and light on their feet.

Dallas hasn't drafted an olineman since the Callahan hire. Tyron, Arkin and Nagy were Houck draftees. They were drafted the year before Houck considered retiring.
Callahan has coached both, or at least that is what he said a few months back. I never wanted him or his system here and didn't like the hire. I think the confusion comes from the Cowboys having interest in Fluker and players like him. As I mentioned, Leary is not a ZBS guard, but they really wanted him. He is the only rookie lineman that Callahan has anything to do with. I agree that Callahan doesn't make sense if they are not going to run his ZBS. It also doesn't make sense to sign players and have interest in players that doesn't fit the scheme. It doesn't surprise
me though. Kiffen was hired as the Tampa Two guru that runs zone coverage. He is going to run man to man coverage due to the CBs on the roster. Why didn't they hire a coach that is a guru at the 4-3 defense with man to man coverage? It doesn't make sense. It will all be answered shortly I guess. They need to get the players to fit the scheme or get the scheme to fit the players. The current mess is not working.

 

[gimmesix]

The thing I like about Fluker is he is a two-position player.

Dallas can attempt to put him at right tackle, and it is possible he won't be able to handle it on this level. But if he can't, I have little doubt he can play guard and be better than Livings.

I think he's a safe get, and is liable to be one of those tackles because of his versatility who goes higher than the "experts" think he will.

 

[XxTDxX]

I would take Richardson.. If he is gone too I either trade back or get Austin if I am really in love with him..Fluker is a 2nd round talent and is more suited for a team who runs the ball a lot and has a man blocking scheme in their rushing attack. I really want no part of Fluker