If we had stayed put and drafted DeCastro...

[TheCount]

I was, and am, happy with the Claiborne pick. DeCastro wouldn't have gotten us into the Playoff's last year as he had some growing pains of his own.

I think one regret, however, is that the Tampa 2 is one of those defenses where you don't need to spend 100mil on corners. We basically have two cover corners, luckily Carr is very physical.

 

[perrykemp]

If we are talking hypotheticals:

1st - Castro
2nd - Casey Hayward (CB)

would have looked pretty good.

Hayward allowed a 31.1 QB rating against him, the lowest against any corner in the league.

 

[speedkilz88]

My bad. Didn't mean to rain on your parade. As far as that goes, if we had taken, say, Brockers and Wagner, and all else stayed the same, I'd say we'd definitely be in the market for a corner somewhere in the first couple of rounds. As strong a draft as it is for OL/DL, it's considered just as strong - if not stronger - for DB's. Maybe not at the very top, but there will be a lot of them taken in the first two days. DL most likely wouldn't be as big a priority.

Overall, I'd say we'd primarily be targeting DB, S, OL, and RB, along with TE and WR. Maybe a QB late, unless one were to drop in our laps that Garrett really wanted.

It was unlikely the Cowboys would have gotten Brockers if they stayed since he was who the rams wanted. I doubt they would have traded down any lower than the Cowboys, it was pretty common knowledge they were interested in him.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Jenkins had plenty of fans that wanted him to stay when the Colts wanted to trade for him. They don't say much now. The extra draft pick would have helped things.

I'm not even saying we mishandled it. I don't think the Colts were offering a 1rst, 2nd or 3rd and anything less than that, and it was worth keeping him incase we needed him or if he played well enough to get a big deal from someone else.

Just anyone who thinks he's worth a long term deal, is far too trusting.

 

[MonsterD]

I'm not even saying we mishandled it. I don't think the Colts were offering a 1rst, 2nd or 3rd and anything less than that, and it was worth keeping him incase we needed him or if he played well enough to get a big deal from someone else.

Just anyone who thinks he's worth a long term deal, is far too trusting.

If the Colts were offering a 5th then we would rather have kept him then we will see if we get compensated next year. I believe it will depend on the contract but a 6th or 7th isn't bad.

 

[Apollo Creed]

No, it was a great move - the Rams gave us a bargain and Claiborne slipped just enough for us to get a blue chip guy where the sky is the limit.

Decastro could be a good guard for years to come but there's a reason he slipped and there's a reason guard is a low proriety position on most teams. He's nowhere near the same league as Iupati or even the guys coming out this year in Cooper/Warmack.

C'mon guys you're better than that.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

No, it was a great move - the Rams gave us a bargain and Claiborne slipped just enough for us to get a blue chip guy where the sky is the limit.

Decastro could be a good guard for years to come but there's a reason he slipped and there's a reason guard is a low proriety position on most teams. He's nowhere near the same league as Iupati or even the guys coming out this year in Cooper/Warmack.

C'mon guys you're better than that.

OGs Warmack/Cooper are better prospects than DeCastro and Dallas landed a top flight pick with Mo Claiborne.


IF Dallas can manage to obtain one of the two best Guards in the coming 2013 NFL Draft any fan complaining about passing on DeCastro should reconsider, especially with the 18th Overall choice.

 

[Randy White]

no CB is worth giving up your 1 and 2 for

In a hearbeat..

 

[coult44]

MO will end up being a shutdown corner in this league for a good time, I LOVED when we moved up to get him......At the time, we didn't know Free was going to be a HUGE bust, and I thought we could hit on at least one of the guards...
Hindsight is 20/20, and with our luck Decastro would have broke a leg or something....

 

[bayeslife]

If we are talking hypotheticals:

1st - Castro
2nd - Casey Hayward (CB)

would have looked pretty good.

Hayward allowed a 31.1 QB rating against him, the lowest against any corner in the league.

Lol if it's Claiborne vs Hayward, I'll take Claiborne 100/100 times.

 

[jobberone]

Almost impossible to fully say.

We'd have Brockers(DeCastro was never the pick there) and Bobby Wagner.

Both guys likely start with Wagner joinging Lee and Carter for a truly salty young LB trio. Brockers would be an interesting fit in a tampa 4-3. Solid, solid DT. Not a true 3 tech nor a true 1 tech but good enough to do both and even play some strongside DE for you on short yardage.

But we'd definitely have a major hole at CB and last year we'd have been really hurt there once injuries hit at FS and CB together. Recall Carr played some FS to get us by.

This is not going to go away but I'd take Claiborne. Always take the better and more rare player in these scenarios IMHO.

Claiborne is better than any CB in this draft. BY FAR. Brockers would be only the 4th best DT.

I think we had no choice but to go DB with the questions about Jenkins health. Not sure moving up for Claiborne was the right idea but we'll see over the next few years. Giving up the 2 hurt and only Claiborne can make that better. I know I feel better about the secondary and my feelings aren't hurt with Jenkins gone although early in the year I was glad to have him. And I'm not real warm and fuzzy about Carr although I don't feel terribly uneasy about him being there.

 

[Doomsay]

If we are talking hypotheticals:

1st - Castro
2nd - Casey Hayward (CB)

would have looked pretty good.

Hayward allowed a 31.1 QB rating against him, the lowest against any corner in the league.

Not that individual CB ratings are all that definitive, but do you know what Mo's was?

 

[Eddie]

If we are talking hypotheticals:

1st - Castro
2nd - Casey Hayward (CB)

would have looked pretty good.

Hayward allowed a 31.1 QB rating against him, the lowest against any corner in the league.

This goes to show that instead of throwing money at the problem, how about we do our homework?

All too often, Jerry panics and wastes resources shoring up a deficiency which he caused from previous poor decisions. It's like running our government.

 

[visionary]

In a hearbeat..

I agree he would be the one exception
However, the point remains that when your team has multiple needs, you don't trade away high picks unless it is to get a QB or LT

There were at least 2 cb picked in round 2 that are better pure CBs than Mo

Our GM just falls in love with the shiny toy because he knows he can't evaluate talent

 

[imbatman]

If you are really looking at what the Cowboys gave up, I think you have to look at the whole picture. The Cowboys gave up two picks (1 & 2) as well as the possibility of holding on to Jenkins, a former first round pick. DeCastro (if they wanted him) could have come with a short trade down, instead of up, to pick up an additional pick. Let's say a third:

Claiborne VS Brockers + Wagner + Jenkins (possibly keeping)

or

Claiborne VS DeCastro + Pick from trade down + Wagner + Jenkins (possibly keeping)

Trade ups like that are putting a lot of faith into one player adding more value to the team than 3 or 4 players combined would. Now maybe the Cowboys couldn't (or didn't want to) hold on to Jenkins. Still, if you want to look at why the Cowboys have a problem with team depth, trades like this one (and the Roy Williams and Joey Galloway trades) at least play a part. As much as I like Claiborne, I would not sacrifice so much to get him. I think you will end up losing far more often than you win.

 

[Future]

I hate when people say we gave up a #1 and #2 for him.

We swapped ones and gave up a #2. Way different.

This was a good trade and it was a good pick. Sure it would have been nice to have Brockers/Wagner, but in all reality, we would have been drafting Wagner as a backup. Yes he would have played b/c of the injuries, but I think that, with all the other needs, selecting an ILB early in the 2nd round would have been a mistake at the time.

 

[CIWhitefish]

I hate when people say we gave up a #1 and #2 for him.

We swapped ones and gave up a #2. Way different.

This was a good trade and it was a good pick. Sure it would have been nice to have Brockers/Wagner, but in all reality, we would have been drafting Wagner as a backup. Yes he would have played b/c of the injuries, but I think that, with all the other needs, selecting an ILB early in the 2nd round would have been a mistake at the time.

Agreed. I hate these "oh if we would have just done XXXX" exercises period. If "If's and But's" were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. What's the sense in going over what could have been unless you want to keep banging the "Cowboys are run by idiots" drum?

 

[jjktkk]

I agree he would be the one exception
However, the point remains that when your team has multiple needs, you don't trade away high picks unless it is to get a QB or LT

There were at least 2 cb picked in round 2 that are better pure CBs than Mo

Our GM just falls in love with the shiny toy because he knows he can't evaluate talent

If that was the case, you two woud have something in common. :laugh2:

 

[CyberB0b]

If that was the case, you two woud have something in common. :laugh2:

The problem is visionary is a random fan posting on a message board and you are saying his talent evaluation is on par with Jerry Jones, the general manager of the team.

 

[jjktkk]

The problem is visionary is a random fan posting on a message board and you are saying his talent evaluation is on par with Jerry Jones, the general manager of the team.

It was joke. But visionary is wrong in his evaluation of Claiborne. He keeps saying their were two better "pure cbs", in the draft last year, but fails to list them. Even if that were true, Claiborne was easily the top rated cb, and in some draft experts opinions, the overall top rated defenseive prospect in the draft.