If we had stayed put and drafted DeCastro...

[Zimmy Lives]

I agree he would be the one exception
However, the point remains that when your team has multiple needs, you don't trade away high picks unless it is to get a QB or LT

There were at least 2 cb picked in round 2 that are better pure CBs than Mo

Our GM just falls in love with the shiny toy because he knows he can't evaluate talent

True to some extent.

Jerry changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear. He saw an opportunity to trade up for Claiborne and, rather than ask himself why he should, he made the move because he could.

 

[xwalker]

If we had stayed put last year and drafted DeCastro or Brockers and the linebacker we had apparantly targeted in round 2, where would we be now?

Resigning Jenkins to pocket change?

Drafting a corner high?

More solidified on the OL or DL, with the better option of going BPA?

Having our third starter at linebacker already without the need to sign the F/A we signed a week or so ago? (Durant)?

Jenkins is a terrible fit in Kiffin's scheme. The Tampa-2 requires CBs to be above average in tacking and run support.

 

[Oh_Canada]

He's not a bad player, but I think our secondary is better off without him at this point. Somebody will get him at a good price next season.

Most Qb's would argue....they had a 108 passee rating against him. Funny-people rail on Scandrick, but he was far better in pass coverage than Jenkins.

 

[jterrell]

True to some extent.

Jerry changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear. He saw an opportunity to trade up for Claiborne and, rather than ask himself why he should, he made the move because he could.

This is typical of the silliness posted here. Completely untrue drivel.

Dallas rated Claiborne far and away the best defensive player in this draft.
He was the one guy they were willing to move up for.

When the opportunity arose they took it and it was a good football move.

Giving up a mid first and 47 for pick number 6 is very good value.

People just love to cry but those people are largely not very smart. You want to get good value for your trades and give yourself a chance to win in doing so. You wont make great picks every time but in the end if you get good value you'll win your fair share and come out ahead.




Yes, for a team that went 8-8 you can say we had more than 1 hole to fill. Same way the Bills or Cards have more than one. But watch those teams try hard to get better at QB anyway. You fill key positions in this league. CB is a key position.

 

[CIWhitefish]

This is typical of the silliness posted here. Completely untrue drivel.

Dallas rated Claiborne far and away the best defensive player in this draft.
He was the one guy they were willing to move up for.

When the opportunity arose they took it and it was a good football move.

Giving up a mid first and 47 for pick number 6 is very good value.

People just love to cry but those people are largely not very smart. You want to get good value for your trades and give yourself a chance to win in doing so. You wont make great picks every time but in the end if you get good value you'll win your fair share and come out ahead.




Yes, for a team that went 8-8 you can say we had more than 1 hole to fill. Same way the Bills or Cards have more than one. But watch those teams try hard to get better at QB anyway. You fill key positions in this league. CB is a key position.

Well said.

 

[jterrell]

Most Qb's would argue....they had a 108 passee rating against him. Funny-people rail on Scandrick, but he was far better in pass coverage than Jenkins.

apples and oranges.

scandrick is a far better slot cb and when jenkins had to play in the slot for the first time in his career he was toasted. by comparison scandrick when asked to play outside was laughably bad.

scandrick is what he is and he is a usable piece, but he isn't starter in this league. the good news is he is pretty friggin solid in his role.

jenkins is a quality starter for the half a season you can keep him healthy. he just doesnt have an NFL body.

qb ratings against show truth over time but one season can be very misleading. jenkins has produced top 30 qb against ratings in his career and some very poor ones.

his issue is trusting him as a starter and asking him to tackle.

i'd love to have jenkins but he has to be the 3rd CB for a team who has a starter that move into the slot IMHO and he can't play special teams. reduces his value to a team by a lot.

 

[jnday]

I agree he would be the one exception
However, the point remains that when your team has multiple needs, you don't trade away high picks unless it is to get a QB or LT

There were at least 2 cb picked in round 2 that are better pure CBs than Mo

Our GM just falls in love with the shiny toy because he knows he can't evaluate talent

He also likes the attention that comes from the "wow" trades and players. He knows that any big move on draft day puts him in the spot light. He ego craves these moments.

 

[cowboysooner]

When Jenkins' shoulder is right, he is a good outside corner that you can win with. When his shoulder is hurt, it takes away his press and he has to play off coverage and he is not quite as good, plus the receiver/qb know what is coming.

 

[hra8700]

In general I don't support trading up by the parcells trade value chart because I think it overrates the value of high draft picks. I think the fact that we were +50 on it or whatever wasn't enough to make it worth it. But, if we really thought Claiborne was worth much more than a 6th, then I can see why we went that route.

As it stands, the question is Wagner/brockers vs Claiborne. Wagner had a great season, and brockers had a really good one as well (especially for a "project"). But when bill polian says Claiborne was having the best rookie season for a cb since revis, it doesn't look so bad. If Claiborne becomes a top 5 cb in this league and brockers becomes a really good run stopping dt with some pass rush Wagner becomes

 

[Zimmy Lives]

This is typical of the silliness posted here. Completely untrue drivel.

Dallas rated Claiborne far and away the best defensive player in this draft.
He was the one guy they were willing to move up for.

When the opportunity arose they took it and it was a good football move.

Giving up a mid first and 47 for pick number 6 is very good value.

People just love to cry but those people are largely not very smart. You want to get good value for your trades and give yourself a chance to win in doing so. You wont make great picks every time but in the end if you get good value you'll win your fair share and come out ahead.




Yes, for a team that went 8-8 you can say we had more than 1 hole to fill. Same way the Bills or Cards have more than one. But watch those teams try hard to get better at QB anyway. You fill key positions in this league. CB is a key position.

Maybe you should check your own IQ.

The thread was about DeCastro for one, and possibilities. My point was a move was made because it was possible, not because it was necessary. Not once did I mention that Claiborne was a bad pick. You form opinions and conclusions in your mind that have no bearing.

For the record, Mr. Hawking, I support the direction this team is headed under Garrett's direction. As for Jerry, he is going to do what he is going to do. Either way, I like the possibilities.

 

[jterrell]

Maybe you should check your own IQ.

The thread was about DeCastro for one, and possibilities. My point was a move was made because it was possible, not because it was necessary. Not once did I mention that Claiborne was a bad pick. You form opinions and conclusions in your mind that have no bearing.

For the record, Mr. Hawking, I support the direction this team is headed under Garrett's direction. As for Jerry, he is going to do what he is going to do. Either way, I like the possibilities.

Let's try dealing with things like facts and what you actually said....

Jerry changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear. He saw an opportunity to trade up for Claiborne and, rather than ask himself why he should, he made the move because he could.

There is no evidence Jerry changed his mind about anything related to this topic. In fact we know Dallas would have selected Brockers and then went LB in round 2 because the question has been asked and answered long before the players took a snap. It has been confirmed by various media members. DeCastro was never really in question. The team would have stayed put and taken Brockers. (exactly as the Rams used the pick btw)

Dallas has let Jenkins walk for nothing and released TNew... hard to call that Jerry not asking why move up to draft the consensus top CB last year. Seems he had a pretty powerful why in that we needed a CB desperately.

Whether you like Garrett or not has little to do with you making up completely illogical and obviously untrue reasons to bash Jerry. --there are plenty of true reasons to bash the guy.

Maybe my tone was harsh and the post was less than friendly but these types of posts just make the board dumber. Let's at least agree to rely upon the basic facts presented to us and not toss out baseless opinions that are completely contrary to those facts.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Let's try dealing with things like facts and what you actually said....



There is no evidence Jerry changed his mind about anything related to this topic. In fact we know Dallas would have selected Brockers and then went LB in round 2 because the question has been asked and answered long before the players took a snap. It has been confirmed by various media members. DeCastro was never really in question. The team would have stayed put and taken Brockers. (exactly as the Rams used the pick btw)

Dallas has let Jenkins walk for nothing and released TNew... hard to call that Jerry not asking why move up to draft the consensus top CB last year. Seems he had a pretty powerful why in that we needed a CB desperately.

Whether you like Garrett or not has little to do with you making up completely illogical and obviously untrue reasons to bash Jerry. --there are plenty of true reasons to bash the guy.

Maybe my tone was harsh and the post was less than friendly but these types of posts just make the board dumber. Let's at least agree to rely upon the basic facts presented to us and not toss out baseless opinions that are completely contrary to those facts.

If you want the facts maybe you should be open to the possibility that some on this board have access to information that others may not. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

They followed their board and made it happen. Saw a story that Rams wanted another pick as well but Stephen said no. As for Mo..he has ball skills. It was very evident at LSU. Loved how he played against Nicks, injured or not it gave him confidence. Can't wait to see him work out and learn from Carr. Ceiling is so high for him and a great kid. You could tell the day he was drafted he was the kind of guy you want for your team.