If we wanted to change chemistry a good place to start

[playmakers]

Would be to suspend ASpencer for the first game for his arrest. This would send a clear message that this upcoming season all the bs will not be tolerated. Someone has to be the goat and even though Spencer probably is an okay guy, we have to start to clean the mess up somewhere. If a player is late that will be a max fine whatever that might be. If a player is late 3x he sits a game. Everytime an offense or defensive lineman jumps offsides thats a mile run with a 5000 dollar fine. So if Flozell jumps 3x hes running 3 miles and paying 15000. This will get their attention. Also, on the same lines, from what it sounds like before, after and some during practice its a fun-fun atmosphere and this needs to change. Lineman jumping offsides probably has alot to do with the atmosphere around practice. If the teams waiting to go play dominos then there isnt much time for thought on snap counts. If you look at our team the players that screw up the least are Barber, Witten, James, etc seem to me are guys that are not fun to be around during football season. Their intesity is amazing. It just seems with this team that after meetings or practice the talk isnt about say the upcoming game vs the Eagles for example but moreso other things like Romos on tmz, a dominos game, or a reporter trying to screw Terrell over. We need to go from Hollywood mentailty to the lunch box mentailty. I think this would be a good start, opinions?????

 

[Clove]

I wouldn't have a problem with that. But Wade should've been the first one to stand up and say this type of activity will not be allowed in this organization.

It starts at the top.

 

[the playmaker]

I wouldn't have a problem with that. But Wade should've been the first one to stand up and say this type of activity will not be allowed in this organization.

It starts at the top.

The TOP is Jerry "the owner" Jones but i don't think
he likes that, he likes cuddle his kids (players).....
TO BE CONTINUED :bang2:

 

[Chuck 54]

I'm not in favor of suspending Spencer for his mistake at this time, not if it is the first ever for him...the league itself may see it otherwise.

I'm much more concerned with the players' behavior at practice, in meetings, and in the game than I am with their behavior at home or on their free time.

Team chemistry isn't affected by Spencer making a fool of himself in public. Team chemistry is affected by Spencer in the film room, locker room, on the practice field, and at game time.

 

[Bleu Star]

Would be to suspend ASpencer for the first game for his arrest. This would send a clear message that this upcoming season all the bs will not be tolerated. Someone has to be the goat and even though Spencer probably is an okay guy, we have to start to clean the mess up somewhere. If a player is late that will be a max fine whatever that might be. If a player is late 3x he sits a game. Everytime an offense or defensive lineman jumps offsides thats a mile run with a 5000 dollar fine. So if Flozell jumps 3x hes running 3 miles and paying 15000. This will get their attention. Also, on the same lines, from what it sounds like before, after and some during practice its a fun-fun atmosphere and this needs to change. Lineman jumping offsides probably has alot to do with the atmosphere around practice. If the teams waiting to go play dominos then there isnt much time for thought on snap counts. If you look at our team the players that screw up the least are Barber, Witten, James, etc seem to me are guys that are not fun to be around during football season. Their intesity is amazing. It just seems with this team that after meetings or practice the talk isnt about say the upcoming game vs the Eagles for example but moreso other things like Romos on tmz, a dominos game, or a reporter trying to screw Terrell over. We need to go from Hollywood mentailty to the lunch box mentailty. I think this would be a good start, opinions?????

I think you're onto something here. If Wade is to be taken seriously with regard to his new "tougher" stance the time is now. Set the precedent now and have it carry over into TC.

 

[802dave]

I'm much more concerned with the players' behavior at practice, in meetings, and in the game than I am with their behavior at home or on their free time.

So then you're okay with guys like Pacman and Michael Vick. Where do you draw the line?

 

[hmcorp]

its not like anthony spencer has been that good of a player anyway.

big deal. bench him all season and we wouldnt notice.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree somewhat.

According to reports at the Senior Bowl, Jerry Jones stated that he hadn't even talked to Anthony Spencer yet, although he planned to do so in the future.

Fines are great but personally, I believe the best way to get an entire team's attention is to make them believe that they could be cut or lose their job at any point during the season.

Unfortunately, the Head Coach is Wade Phillips and the General Manager is Jerry Jones. If Wade Phillips decided to go into "tough guy" mode, he would lose what little respect the players have for him and will not be taken seriously. However, Jerry Jones is in a better position to change because he signs the playchecks and acquires the talent. Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips could play bad cop/good cop and this would ensure that there are checks and balances and that the organization isn't saddled with one extreme personality or the other.

Jerry Jones is in the best situation to change everything at Valley Ranch because the players might not take Wade Phillips seriously, but they would definately stand up and pay attention if Jerry Jones not only says he wants change, but started demanding it.

Also, you can't cut every player on the roster that is why Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips should take every opportunity they get to discipline players in which the team could afford to bench or cut. Adam Jones should have been cut the first time he got into trouble. As previously mentioned, Anthony Spencer should be benched. Michael Jenkins should have been benched for refusing to make a tackle.

Disciplinary actions such as those go a long way in letting players know that selfish attitudes and not giving 100% is not tolerated.

 

[Iago33]

Thumbscrews would be a good place to start.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I cant blame Spencer for going out and getting drunk and start a little sumtin-sumtin.... he plays for an organization that is constantly tanking it...

It would get to me too.

 

[hmcorp]

I cant blame Spencer for going out and getting drunk and start a little sumtin-sumtin.... he plays for an organization that is constantly tanking it...

It would get to me too.

Also...its not like we would notice a lack of spencer. with him or without him our defense would perform the same. maybe even better against the run.

as of now he is a big waste of space.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would be all for suspending Spencer for a game, or two, to start the season and to start giving out stiffer fines for mental mistakes and such.

I believe, however, that coaches, even if they're tough guys, are hamstrung on things like that cause the NFLPA probably has rules, and regulations, in place that keeps coaches from being able to fine players for certain things like offsides penalties, face masks, or whatever.

 

[Bigtommyb]

Damn...3 miles do you want to punish FLOZELL or kill him ,man he can't run three miles at 350lbs. BE EASY .....BE EASY!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Damn...3 miles do you want to punish FLOZELL or kill him ,man he can't run three miles at 350lbs. BE EASY .....BE EASY!

He could run a mile a day for three straight days. Same punishment that way.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If we are going to suspend Spencer I would make it two games, and I would make that known today! Let him and all of the other players think about that for a while.

Plus, I think it would be better coming from Wade, and not Jerry. Let the players know that you make these decisions, and what you expect from each of them.

Yea, all of this disciplinary stuff sounds good. Fines, suspensions, extra running.

But in my 17-18 yrs of coaching I have always tried from day one of each season to create an atmosphere where each player wants to discipine himself so as not to let down his teammates or the team as a whole.

Loyalty, ownership, responsibility, to the team.

It works out so much better if each player wants to do what is right for the betterment of the team, and not to let his teammates down.

When you get to the point that you are administering punishment, you have already lost something of what you were trying to achieve.

Just my .02

 

[WV Cowboy]

Damn...3 miles do you want to punish FLOZELL or kill him ,man he can't run three miles at 350lbs. BE EASY .....BE EASY!

This reminds me of a funny story.

Bum Philips, as coach of the Oilers, required his QB's, RB's, WR's and TE's to run a mile in under a specified time.

If they couldn't, they had to be linemen.

Earl Campbell failed the time requirement.

They asked Bum what he was going to do since Earl, his best RB didn't compete the mile in the required time.

Bum thought for a minute, and said, " ... well, ... if it's 4th and a mile, we won't run Earl, but anything shorter than a mile, ... we'll run Earl."

:laugh2:

 

[irvin4evs]

I know my response isn't going to be popular with anyone, but am I the only one who has gotten really, really blacked out drunk before?

Sounds like Spence had one shot too many and then five more.

You can't make an example out of someone when the rule was never in place. A law that isn't known is a law than can't function.

We need a new Parcellsish rule like, you get fined a game check for an arrest of any sort. Let the players weigh the benefits of getting crunk and the possibility of seeing a 1/16 of their salary go out the window.

Anyone who effs up from the establishment of the new rule should be the example, not the guy who did something stupid at an embarrassing time.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not in favor of suspending Spencer for his mistake at this time, not if it is the first ever for him...the league itself may see it otherwise.

I'm much more concerned with the players' behavior at practice, in meetings, and in the game than I am with their behavior at home or on their free time.

Team chemistry isn't affected by Spencer making a fool of himself in public. Team chemistry is affected by Spencer in the film room, locker room, on the practice field, and at game time.

Very well said.

I hate criminal behavior among players, but this incident from Spencer sounds about as mild as it could possibly be. He wasn't driving drunk, he didn't have drugs, and he didn't touch a woman.

The more important thing for the team is the way they study, prepare, and play. Just like you said.

 

[Iago33]

Very well said.

I hate criminal behavior among players, but this incident from Spencer sounds about as mild as it could possibly be. He wasn't driving drunk, he didn't have drugs, and he didn't touch a woman.

The more important thing for the team is the way they study, prepare, and play. Just like you said.

You mean I can't break out the rack?

I do think we need to work on creating an environment of accountability--and that primarily involves being proactive. A one game suspension would be fine, but we shouldn't lower the hammer on someone as a futile flex of our administrative muscles. It should be part of a change in administration.

 

[Doomsday101]

Very well said.

I hate criminal behavior among players, but this incident from Spencer sounds about as mild as it could possibly be. He wasn't driving drunk, he didn't have drugs, and he didn't touch a woman.

The more important thing for the team is the way they study, prepare, and play. Just like you said.

I agree and I have come down on problem players in Spencer case as far as I know this has been his 1st off the field incident and willing to leave it at that until or unless it becomes a problem. I'm sure the league will come down on him and I hope he has learned for this mistake. Dallas making him the example would not benifet anyone