If/When we make the Playoffs

[Qwickdraw]

I hope I don't hear you guys singing BP's praises.

The level of disgust and lack of support for Parcells on this board has taken on a life of it's own.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

How about that...

 

[big dog cowboy]

I do agree Quickdraw. It's obvious to me that while we not be playing all that great, we have better players now than a year ago. Another off season like the last one and the W total should really rise.

 

[Juke99]

I hope I don't hear you guys singing BP's praises.

The level of disgust and lack of support for Parcells on this board has taken on a life of it's own.

Here's how I figure....

I've disliked what Parcells has done here since I saw the roster he put together last year...so the Washington game had little to do with my dissatisfaction...truth is, I became VERY worried when I saw how the Eagles slapped us all over the field on the Monday night game...

Anyway...analogy

I have always loved the music of John Fogerty. His last album sucked. If his next album is good, I can say "Hey this is a good album" and there should be no problem with that.

Right now, I think Parcells hasn't done a great job...he's 24-23 since arriving and apparently the wheels have come off toward the end of his third season here.

That's my opinion.

If he turns things around....I'll have no problem complimenting him...and there's nothing hypocritical about that.

Now, if I said, "This guy is a lousy coach...this guy has always been a lousy coach"...and then I "sang" the praises....that would be a bit much.

I've said, consistently, that I watched him for many years in New York and loved the way he coached...behind Landry and Johnson, he was my favorite coach. I've also said, this isn't the same guy I watched for years in NY.

Right now, his reputation is carrying him...and shielding him from the criticism he deserves. Without his resume, he'd have to be viewed as performing in a very mediocre manner. 24-23 in three seasons. That's a mediocre as it gets....and you don't pay a coach $5 mil per season for mediocrity.

His resume allowed him the lattitude of being given the benefit of the doubt...I'm going by his statement about the vets when he first arrived "NO matter what you've done in the past, at some point, you've got to prove you can still get the job done."

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here's how I figure....

I've disliked what Parcells has done here since I saw the roster he put together last year...so the Washington game had little to do with my dissatisfaction...truth is, I became VERY worried when I saw how the Eagles slapped us all over the field on the Monday night game...

Anyway...analogy

I have always loved the music of John Fogerty. His last album sucked. If his next album is good, I can say "Hey this is a good album" and there should be no problem with that.

Right now, I think Parcells hasn't done a great job...he's 24-23 since arriving and apparently the wheels have come off toward the end of his third season here.

That's my opinion.

If he turns things around....I'll have no problem complimenting him...and there's nothing hypocritical about that.

Now, if I said, "This guy is a lousy coach...this guy has always been a lousy coach"...and then I "sang" the praises....that would be a bit much.

I've said, consistently, that I watched him for many years in New York and loved the way he coached...behind Landry and Johnson, he was my favorite coach. I've also said, this isn't the same guy I watched for years in NY.

Right now, his reputation is carrying him...and shielding him from the criticism he deserves. Without his resume, he'd have to be viewed as performing in a very mediocre manner. 24-23 in three seasons. That's a mediocre as it gets....and you don't pay a coach $5 mil per season for mediocrity.

His resume allowed him the lattitude of being given the benefit of the doubt...I'm going by his statement about the vets when he first arrived "NO matter what you've done in the past, at some point, you've got to prove you can still get the job done."

Yeah you see the thing is... there was something going around where players wanted to open it up a little before KC game and when it was presented to BP via the media... he smugly replies, "well I offered the whistle to the players and no one has taken it"

INSTEAD of addressing the situation... that is getting old.. as he is... sorry... I dont like whats going on

"The leader of the band has died and his eyes are growing old...."

My bad thats not John Fogerty thats Dan Fogelberg...

 

[CrazyCowboy]

BP is a very good coach, but, he needs a few more players..........

 

[Juke99]

Yeah you see the thing is... there was something going around where players wanted to open it up a little before KC game and when it was presented to BP via the media... he smugly replies, "well I offered the whistle to the players and no one has taken it"

INSTEAD of addressing the situation... that is getting old.. as he is... sorry... I dont like whats going on

"The leader of the band has died and his eyes are growing old...."

My bad thats not John Fogerty thats Dan Fogelberg...

Yes...but a great line nonetheless...

Control freaks control...and when things go badly, they control even more...until everything around them crumbles.

Honestly, I would have taken the whistle....I'll bet some of his old Giant players would have.

Yes...great management technique....cuz ya know, that's one thing that everyone misses in this stuff...it's a business...it's like ANY business...and to be effective, it needs to follow proven business strategies.

Jimmy Johnson had his Masters in Industrial Psychology...it served him well.

Ya think a motivational tool that Iacocca used at Chrysler was to say to his employees, "Hey, you don't like what we're doing? OK...anyone want the whistle?"

Really, quite foolish...

Oh and one other thing....why was it necessary to air that publically? Nice....show up the players publically. If I'm a player and I heard that he said that, I'd already have been ticked off because of the way Parcells addressed the situation with the team...but then to go public and sorta chest thump about how he offered the whistle and no one took it...well, some days I understand Antonio Bryant.

 

[Juke99]

BP is a very good coach, but, he needs a few more players..........

BP has been a very good coach...his record here (24-23) suggests he has been an average coach the past three years. And the team is moving in the wrong direction. How many times have we heard Parcells talk about how football teams are truly measured by how they perform in November and December? Even when we have won in the past few weeks (Eagles, KC) we've gotten manhandled.

This is the same EXACT pattern as we saw in year one...the team jumped out to a great start and fizzled. Parcells is a master at hiding weaknesses...until everyone catches up with what he's doing.

I'm not saying he can't be a very good coach again...but right now, I am not willing to give him credit for being very good.

 

[Qwickdraw]

I guess I am in the minority because I believe there is ONE thing more important than winning in the NFL...

And BP has and continues to provide it.

Win or lose.

 

[thewivil]

I guess I am in the minority because I believe there is ONE thing more important than winning in the NFL...

And BP has and continues to provide it.

Win or lose.

I'm sorry, but I don't think anything is worth more than winning in professional sports.

The players get paid first to win. Not to have fun, not to be motivational speakers and not to be role models. The owners want them to win. Everything else comes after.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I guess I am in the minority because I believe there is ONE thing more important than winning in the NFL...

And BP has and continues to provide it.

Win or lose.

Like Lombardi said ( I guess actually I forget who said it earlier):

"Winning isn't the only thing, winning is everything".

Please, no sane fan in NFL, would be watching a team, just because it has something they percieve the team to have. You watch the team to cheers their wins. A fan lives Vicariously through their team. If you enjoy losing, then you are not a fan or Player, regardless whatever "it" you implying that coach is providing.

As much as Fan I am BP, I just hate his QB approach, that killing this team seemingly every December since he has been here.

And I dont care if this team makes playoffs, since I consider this team pretty much dead. I will enjoy the wins, but I know this team wont do anything in Playoffs. I don't care who labels me what, Bledsoe is not the guy to lead this team anywhere in playoffs. All he will do is kill the OL and get the OL blamed for everything. As much I like the guy, off the field, I just don't like his chances.

And BP is going to stick with come what may, next year and any year beyond it, as long as Bledsoe can sling it. Mark that down, and I will eat crow, if Bledsoe is healthy and still signed with Cowboys, yet BP gives another QB a chance to compete or start. Heck I will gladly eat massive heapings of crow if that happens, any flavor served. I am just that confident about Bledsoe's future in Dallas and with BP.

Heck I will eat crow if somehow Bledsoe indeed gets Cowboys to SB or be a real good next year, and we are not talking about begining of the year either, when the games really matter in December and January.

 

[Hiero]

still need one more offseason before we can make the real playoff push. bp just needs to replenish the offense like he did the defense.

 

[Zaxor]

Like Lombardi said ( I guess actually I forget who said it earlier):

"Winning isn't the only thing, winning is everything".

Please, no sane fan in NFL, would be watching a team, just because it has something they percieve the team to have. You watch the team to cheers their wins. A fan lives Vicariously through their team. If you enjoy losing, then you are not a fan or Player, regardless whatever "it" you implying that coach is providing.

As much as Fan I am BP, I just hate his QB approach, that killing this team seemingly every December since he has been here.

And I dont care if this team makes playoffs, since I consider this team pretty much dead. I will enjoy the wins, but I know this team wont do anything in Playoffs. I don't care who labels me what, Bledsoe is not the guy to lead this team anywhere in playoffs. All he will do is kill the OL and get the OL blamed for everything. As much I like the guy, off the field, I just don't like his chances.

And BP is going to stick with come what may, next year and any year beyond it, as long as Bledsoe can sling it. Mark that down, and I will eat crow, if Bledsoe is healthy and still signed with Cowboys, yet BP gives another QB a chance to compete or start. Heck I will gladly eat massive heapings of crow if that happens, any flavor served. I am just that confident about Bledsoe's future in Dallas and with BP.

Heck I will eat crow if somehow Bledsoe indeed gets Cowboys to SB or be a real good next year, and we are not talking about begining of the year either, when the games really matter in December and January.

Slide over and I will eat that crow with ya...

If I had a million dollars...I would feel as save betting against Bledsoe as I would putting it in Fort Knox...and just as sure that as long as Bledsoe can walk Bill will play him...

 

[visionary]

Here's how I figure....

I've disliked what Parcells has done here since I saw the roster he put together last year...so the Washington game had little to do with my dissatisfaction...truth is, I became VERY worried when I saw how the Eagles slapped us all over the field on the Monday night game...

Anyway...analogy

I have always loved the music of John Fogerty. His last album sucked. If his next album is good, I can say "Hey this is a good album" and there should be no problem with that.

Right now, I think Parcells hasn't done a great job...he's 24-23 since arriving and apparently the wheels have come off toward the end of his third season here.

That's my opinion.

If he turns things around....I'll have no problem complimenting him...and there's nothing hypocritical about that.

Now, if I said, "This guy is a lousy coach...this guy has always been a lousy coach"...and then I "sang" the praises....that would be a bit much.

I've said, consistently, that I watched him for many years in New York and loved the way he coached...behind Landry and Johnson, he was my favorite coach. I've also said, this isn't the same guy I watched for years in NY.

Right now, his reputation is carrying him...and shielding him from the criticism he deserves. Without his resume, he'd have to be viewed as performing in a very mediocre manner. 24-23 in three seasons. That's a mediocre as it gets....and you don't pay a coach $5 mil per season for mediocrity.

His resume allowed him the lattitude of being given the benefit of the doubt...I'm going by his statement about the vets when he first arrived "NO matter what you've done in the past, at some point, you've got to prove you can still get the job done."

juke
you've very cogently stated exactly what i feel.
many people confuse criticizm with dislike or hatred. as fans, do we not praise the players and coaches when they do well? why then can we not criticize in a constructive manner when they do poorly?

we are all cowboy fans here and would like nothing better than to see our team win and are diappointed (more than anything else) when they dont. sometimes our team wil lose, it is only to be expected, what i ask for is for them to compete, play their heart out, and play hard. to their credit this team has done that in many games this season, that is why i am not completely pessimistic. there have been other games that they could have given up in but they continued to fight and that is to their credit and to that of the coaching staff. the problem has been that they are just too inconsistent and up and down. they are also getting tired and worn down because there are a lot of rookies and older players at key positions. i just hope parcells knows which buttons to push this week. i just wish he werent so stubborn sometimes at other times i am glad that he is. go figure.

 

[Fletch]

I hope I don't hear you guys singing BP's praises.

The level of disgust and lack of support for Parcells on this board has taken on a life of it's own.

I hear ya. In this day of mediocre, watered down parity, we as fans expect nothing less than the Super Bowl. Well, it hasn't happened in over 10 years, so get it over it already you spoiled brats.

Parcells is having to undo years of lackluster drafts and mistakes that Jerry and the clown squads have built up. Rome was not built in a day, or in our case, 2 7/8 seasons.

You have my support Bill. Next year you will have to prove that you still got it when it comes to my loyalties.

 

[DipChit]

Like Lombardi said ( I guess actually I forget who said it earlier):

"Winning isn't the only thing, winning is everything".

Please, no sane fan in NFL, would be watching a team, just because it has something they percieve the team to have. You watch the team to cheers their wins. A fan lives Vicariously through their team. If you enjoy losing, then you are not a fan or Player, regardless whatever "it" you implying that coach is providing.

As much as Fan I am BP, I just hate his QB approach, that killing this team seemingly every December since he has been here.

Well wait a minute.. so upon Bills arrival, what were you most excited about? The prospect of him making the team more competitive again beginning on day 1, or the thought of him developing a QB for the long term?

Cetainly you could say both, but that wouldnt have been very realistic.

I guess he had basically 3 choices in regards to the QB situation. Go with what was here.. QC/Hutch, go with a vet FA like Plummer/Griese/Delhomme (although it's not like he had started a lot of games) or draft Leftwich.

Personally I would've taken the Plummer/Griese route at the time simply because it's not like those guys were old and had been bouncing around, coupled with the fact that I *did* want the prospect of finding a QB for a number of years along with the fact that I did want the ability to have a chance to be competiive quickly because I didnt figure Bill to be here more than 3 or 4 years.

Having on those guys start for you all 3 years obviously is better than having a new QB every year and logically gave you a better chance to win than going with some rookie. Especially when we have a number of other offensive issues as well. O-line, no true stud WR etc..

Using QC for even one year was a waste, IMO. The other alternative, Leftwich.. well, for one thing I'm not so sure how competitive you could've expected to be early on.

For another, using hindisght, even if you'd have started him in year 2 (which turned out to be a crappy year also for the team anyway) so that by now he'd have almost 30 starts under his belt, I'm still not sure that you'd have solved the QB position for 10 years because I'm not that sold on that kid to begin with after what I've seen. But maybe thats just me. I suppose some though would say at least it would have been a "plan".

And then as for the Henson/Romo deal, I dont have any faith in those guys either, but I understand the argument for having let either one start a few games at the end of last season just to "see".

 

[RCowboyFan]

Well wait a minute.. so upon Bills arrival, what were you most excited about? The prospect of him making the team more competitive again beginning on day 1, or the thought of him developing a QB for the long term?

Cetainly you could say both, but that wouldnt have been very realistic.

I guess he had basically 3 choices in regards to the QB situation. Go with what was here.. QC/Hutch, go with a vet FA like Plummer/Griese/Delhomme (although it's not like he had started a lot of games) or draft Leftwich.

Personally I would've taken the Plummer/Griese route at the time simply because it's not like those guys were old and had been bouncing around, coupled with the fact that I *did* want the prospect of finding a QB for a number of years along with the fact that I did want the ability to have a chance to be competiive quickly because I didnt figure Bill to be here more than 3 or 4 years.

Having on those guys start for you all 3 years obviously is better than having a new QB every year and logically gave you a better chance to win than going with some rookie. Especially when we have a number of other offensive issues as well. O-line, no true stud WR etc..

Using QC for even one year was a waste, IMO. The other alternative, Leftwich.. well, for one thing I'm not so sure how competitive you could've expected to be early on.

For another, using hindisght, even if you'd have started him in year 2 (which turned out to be a crappy year also for the team anyway) so that by now he'd have almost 30 starts under his belt, I'm still not sure that you'd have solved the QB position for 10 years because I'm not that sold on that kid to begin with after what I've seen. But maybe thats just me. I suppose some though would say at least it would have been a "plan".

And then as for the Henson/Romo deal, I dont have any faith in those guys either, but I understand the argument for having let either one start a few games at the end of last season just to "see".

We are not talking about QC here. Its obvoius that QC was waste of time now, but at that time he had to see what he had in QC/Hutch. Thats not his fault anyway. Even Leftwitch, which I was big fan of, not sure is a definite real deal, since what I have seen so far from him, is not what I thought him when I saw him college. I thought he would be Star by now, but he still have way too many machanics issues ( long winding throwing motion, penchant to fumble, slow feet etc.).

Now last year and this year, is where I question BP. Especially last year. It was totally wasted year as far as future was concerned. This year, Ok, at least Bledsoe played OK, but its the same issue that haunted Bledsoe is back again.

I expect things to get worse next year with regards to Bledsoe, as teams will now know how to defend him better. Just like they did in Buffalo, unless somehow dramatically OL gets all-pro in all positions. Or at least 3 out 5 positions.

So Cowboys will be back to questioning BP and Bledsoe come december next year, and Fans on one side will be blaming the OL still and other end, Bledsoe. And still, there is no real alternative available since most likely, cowboys wont Draft a QB high or even low next year. Especially when you are not even sure what Romo/Henson are yet.

 

[Clove]

Bill Parcells wasted time here and now he's trying to play catch up. For some strange reason, BP let Zimmer stay on board and started out the 1st 2 years running a defense that's not his flavor.

Why would he do that? Who pressured him to do that? He saw that he made a mistake, and so last off season, he finally got back to doing what he should have done day one. Zimmer cannot run the 3-4, it's flat out obvious. His QB decisions have put this franchise back. I don't mind having Bledsoe in here, as a matter of fact, I'm all for it if you have a young up and coming guy behind him ready to take over.

BP has done the same thing that Jerry Jones used to do. Jerry used to think that he could take any coach in the world, including himself, and win a super bowl. BP thought he could take any player in the world , cause he's a genius, and turn them into a STAR. You win with Super Stars Period. So I will surely eat crow if he turns this thing around, but it doesn't look good.

 

[DipChit]

We are not talking about QC here. Its obvoius that QC was waste of time now, but at that time he had to see what he had in QC/Hutch. Thats not his fault anyway. Even Leftwitch, which I was big fan of, not sure is a definite real deal, since what I have seen so far from him, is not what I thought him when I saw him college. I thought he would be Star by now, but he still have way too many machanics issues ( long winding throwing motion, penchant to fumble, slow feet etc.).

Now last year and this year, is where I question BP. Especially last year. It was totally wasted year as far as future was concerned. This year, Ok, at least Bledsoe played OK, but its the same issue that haunted Bledsoe is back again.

I expect things to get worse next year with regards to Bledsoe, as teams will now know how to defend him better. Just like they did in Buffalo, unless somehow dramatically OL gets all-pro in all positions. Or at least 3 out 5 positions.

So Cowboys will be back to questioning BP and Bledsoe come december next year, and Fans on one side will be blaming the OL still and other end, Bledsoe. And still, there is no real alternative available since most likely, cowboys wont Draft a QB high or even low next year. Especially when you are not even sure what Romo/Henson are yet.

I understand all that. But it was just my long winded way of asking what you would've done differently.

Ok, so you would've looked at QC/Hutch for that first year, same as Bill, then what? Looked at Henson/Romo and the end of last year? Ok.

But then it doesnt sound like you'd have had the long term QB situation figured out either at this point had *you* been the coach.

Unless you would've in fact taken Leftwich at the time since you were a big fan.. letting the chips fall where they may with him over the long haul. And thats cool.

 

[Clove]

I understand all that. But it was just my long winded way of asking what you would've done differently.

Ok, so you would've looked at QC/Hutch for that first year, same as Bill, then what? Looked at Henson/Romo and the end of last year? Ok.

But then it doesnt sound like you'd have had the long term QB situation figured out either at this point had *you* been the coach.

Unless you would've in fact taken Leftwich at the time since you were a big fan.. letting the chips fall where they may with him over the long haul. And thats cool.

I say (and I'm certainly no genius) draft a QB, then pick someone up like Bledsoe and groom this QB. Meaning, every opportunity you get to give him some experience (i.e. the other day getting blown out) and that gives him the experience he would need - the kid would be in his 3rd years playing behind Bledsoe, or preparing to take over for DB.