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JoeKing

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This made me :laugh:

If you found it funny then I suspect you didn't contextually understand it. I think Dez will play better than he did last season but if he doesn't, then it would be best to trade him now rather than allowing his stock to sink and then want something for him. Of course, there is no way of doing this in practical terms. We have to just wait and see what we got.
 

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I agree with you, but here's my concern. It seems like every year, we've tried to build a team for Romo, and where has it gotten us?

I do think he represents our best chance at getting to a Super Bowl, but we've been saying that for almost a decade. It seems like we're forever trying to build a team for him and not doing it right. I think he's too much of a crutch, personally. I'm not discounting his abilities nor his ranking as one of the top quarterbacks in the game.

But this year is going to be critical for me. We have the top offensive line in the game, a top 5 receiver when healthy, one of the best tight ends in the game and the best running back in the draft and arguably the best running back since Adrian Peterson.

If we can't get to the NFC Championship this year given the fact that we almost got there two years ago with a back who isn't as talented as EZE and a defense that was coming off its worst season, then I think the Super Bowl window for Romo is going to be closed.

He has two years tops to get to the Super Bowl, as far as I'm concerned. If we don't get there next year or at least on the brink of the Super Bowl (which is an NFC Championship appearance), I'd seriously consider making a move if one were available via a trade.

Is he this generation's Dandy Don Meredith? You love him, he gives you thrills, but just can't get over the top. Most of this isn't on Romo, but just the totality of the circumstances. Man do I hope I'm wrong! But I have over ten years to say I'm probably not wrong at all.
 

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Dez Bryant. I don't want him on the roster as he gets older and starts to decline.
 

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Dexter Coakely?

On a serious note...I would not want to trade any of our "top" guys just to trade. No sense in that because that means we would have to replace them and it was hard enough to get a "top guy" in the first place.

It would probably be a 2-4 level player like one of the Running backs not named Zeke. Trade our OG who we have been trying to trade but without any luck.

Just not that much to be traded and even if we did trade them they would probably never get what most think we could get.
 

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I thought about that, but if salary weren't an issue, you don't think Kansas City, Buffalo, Minnesota, Los Angeles Rams (prior to this draft) or Houston (prior to Oswiler) wouldn't have given a No. 1 pick for Romo?

I think all those teams are a quarterback away from Super Bowl contention (especially on defense) and might be willing to pull the trigger if the scenario presented in this thread were a reality.

I think it could have happened. A team like the Jets, all they really need is a QB. If I were going to trade Tony, it would be for picks and one would have to be in the first round. The problem, of course, that pick is probably going to be low so it is what it is but, if you make that trade, that probably helps your cap so you could, realistically, be in a position to bring in a QB. With the picks you got in the trade and the 1st you might have of your own, I would bet that you could probably put yourself in good position to draft a QB. That's probably the way I would go in a deal like that.
 

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I thought about that, but if salary weren't an issue, you don't think Kansas City, Buffalo, Minnesota, Los Angeles Rams (prior to this draft) or Houston (prior to Oswiler) wouldn't have given a No. 1 pick for Romo?

I think all those teams are a quarterback away from Super Bowl contention (especially on defense) and might be willing to pull the trigger if the scenario presented in this thread were a reality.

None of those teams would have given up a #1 for Romo. KC is content with Alex Smith who's played solid for them. He doesn't put up big numbers but he's been efficient and doesn't turn the ball over. He led the Chiefs to the playoffs last season with an 11-5 record, they're not looking to replace him especially with a #1 on a 36 year old QB coming off an injury plagued season. Buffalo has a long way to go to be a legit SB contender their defense dropped off last season. Tyrod Taylor wasn't that bad in his first starting role. He put up 20 TD's and only tossed 6 INT's. He completed over 63% of his passes and his passer rating was 99.4. They're not giving up on him yet and they certainly wouldn't give up a #1 for a 36 year old QB who's having trouble staying healthy.

As for Minn they have a promising young QB in Bridgewater who's played pretty well and led the Vikings to an 11-5 record and the division title last season. His numbers improved over his rookie year and appears to be building on what could be a promising career. They certainly wouldn't cough up a #1 for a 36 year old Romo when they're on the right track with a young QB they invested a #1 on. As for Houston they have a pretty young team with a young head coach and teams like that don't want to build around an aging 36 year old QB who's coming off an injury plagued season especially not one who would cost them a #1 pick. They want to build with a young QB not an aging one who may only have 2-3 more years.

Denver was the only team that might have given up a #1 for Romo. They're just coming off a championship and with them having an opportunity to repeat an experienced QB like Romo would have made some sense. They showed when they signed Peyton Manning a few years ago they'll go with an aging QB who has injury concerns if they feel they have the team to win it all with. They certainly have the team now but they lack the QB. They aren't going to repeat with Sanchez and Lynch has a long way to go so Romo would have been a great option for them because they're playing for NOW and a SB repeat.
 

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Right now, before the season, I wouldn't trade any of our top guys because that would mean a doomed season, and I don't want to enter with no hope.

If this were the off-season, before FA and the draft, I'd have traded Dez for 2 #1's if I could get that. Your trading an injured WR who turns 28 in November.
 

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I agree with you, but here's my concern. It seems like every year, we've tried to build a team for Romo, and where has it gotten us?

I do think he represents our best chance at getting to a Super Bowl, but we've been saying that for almost a decade. It seems like we're forever trying to build a team for him and not doing it right. I think he's too much of a crutch, personally. I'm not discounting his abilities nor his ranking as one of the top quarterbacks in the game.

But this year is going to be critical for me. We have the top offensive line in the game, a top 5 receiver when healthy, one of the best tight ends in the game and the best running back in the draft and arguably the best running back since Adrian Peterson.

If we can't get to the NFC Championship this year given the fact that we almost got there two years ago with a back who isn't as talented as EZE and a defense that was coming off its worst season, then I think the Super Bowl window for Romo is going to be closed.

He has two years tops to get to the Super Bowl, as far as I'm concerned. If we don't get there next year or at least on the brink of the Super Bowl (which is an NFC Championship appearance), I'd seriously consider making a move if one were available via a trade.

I get some of what you're saying we never seem to get anywhere with Romo but without him we wouldn't have a chance. Prior to him arriving in Dallas it was miserable and every year that he's been on the field we've had a chance but other areas of the team keep breaking down. Some of these areas have caused him to breakdown having to carry the team. Without him we can't win games, we're 1-13 without him the past 3 seasons. Offensively under Romo we've had championship caliber offenses but our defense hasn't come close to measuring up to our offense and it's the #1 reason we haven't been able to get very far.

Our defense has gotten us knocked out of the playoffs every single year under Romo. In the 06 playoffs with a 20-15 lead we couldn't stop Matt Hasselbeck from throwing a 37 yard TD in the final 6 minutes. In the 07 playoffs we allowed Toomer to break away for a lengthy score when our D had him boxed in during the first quarter. We then gave up a long TD drive right before the half. We couldn't pressure or stop Eli all day from killing us on 3rd down. Favre destroyed us with 4 TD passes in the 09 playoffs. Sydney Rice had over 140 receiving yards and 3 TDs on just 6 catches.

A limping Aaron Rodgers shredded us in the 2014 playoffs. It's the defense that kills us every year. I honestly believe the SB window has already closed on Romo, it closed in 2014. That was his best chance at a SB but we didn't have the defense and continue at least on paper to not have the defense. We have the offense and have the offense every year but we never have the defense and it always catches up with us. No QB is going to be able to overcome a defense that consistently year after year can't make critical stops in important games. We can never mount a pass rush when games are on the line.
 

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Dez Bryant. I don't want him on the roster as he gets older and starts to decline.

Exactly...he doesn't have the quickness or mental toughness to beat good coverage or a double team now; imagine what he'll be like when he loses a step. He is a super explosive athlete, but I don't even like him as a possession receiver as much as Keyshaun. He's not that possession guy yet, but he'll turn 30 two years from Nov.
 

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Exactly...he doesn't have the quickness or mental toughness to beat good coverage or a double team now; imagine what he'll be like when he loses a step. He is a super explosive athlete, but I don't even like him as a possession receiver as much as Keyshaun. He's not that possession guy yet, but he'll turn 30 two years from Nov.

We'll see this season if he's lost a step after foot and ankle surgery.
 

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Dexter Coakely?

On a serious note...I would not want to trade any of our "top" guys just to trade. No sense in that because that means we would have to replace them and it was hard enough to get a "top guy" in the first place.

It would probably be a 2-4 level player like one of the Running backs not named Zeke. Trade our OG who we have been trying to trade but without any luck.

Just not that much to be traded and even if we did trade them they would probably never get what most think we could get.

I'd almost rather trade Leary for another proven player. Can you imagine trading Leary for even a 2nd rounder and then using that pick on a guy like Gregory, Escobar, or Bruce Carter?! OMG....I cringe to think of it.
 

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We'll see this season if he's lost a step after foot and ankle surgery.

He will be 28 this season; he better still be a top guy or we're screwed. The premise we were talking about was trading him before he loses that step. Calvin Johnson just retired at 30, and he didn't take the pounding Dez does as he dishes it out.
 

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Dez Bryant. I don't want him on the roster as he gets older and starts to decline.

Not sure if you are serious on that, but I'd argue he still has a few years left in him to be great. That, and the Cowboys really don't have anything close to a #1 replacement behind him.
 

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Exactly...he doesn't have the quickness or mental toughness to beat good coverage or a double team now; imagine what he'll be like when he loses a step. He is a super explosive athlete, but I don't even like him as a possession receiver as much as Keyshaun. He's not that possession guy yet, but he'll turn 30 two years from Nov.

And imagine what kind of a cry baby, bad attitude, pouting player he is going to be when Romo is no longer here and we have to groom a young QB. He will be throwing tantrums every week. And he certainly isnt going to like the offense turning into the Zeke show. We saw that already with his tweet when Zeke got drafted.
 

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If you found it funny then I suspect you didn't contextually understand it. I think Dez will play better than he did last season but if he doesn't, then it would be best to trade him now rather than allowing his stock to sink and then want something for him. Of course, there is no way of doing this in practical terms. We have to just wait and see what we got.

It must have been the phrasing. :)
 

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I get some of what you're saying we never seem to get anywhere with Romo but without him we wouldn't have a chance. Prior to him arriving in Dallas it was miserable and every year that he's been on the field we've had a chance but other areas of the team keep breaking down. Some of these areas have caused him to breakdown having to carry the team. Without him we can't win games, we're 1-13 without him the past 3 seasons. Offensively under Romo we've had championship caliber offenses but our defense hasn't come close to measuring up to our offense and it's the #1 reason we haven't been able to get very far.

Our defense has gotten us knocked out of the playoffs every single year under Romo. In the 06 playoffs with a 20-15 lead we couldn't stop Matt Hasselbeck from throwing a 37 yard TD in the final 6 minutes. In the 07 playoffs we allowed Toomer to break away for a lengthy score when our D had him boxed in during the first quarter. We then gave up a long TD drive right before the half. We couldn't pressure or stop Eli all day from killing us on 3rd down. Favre destroyed us with 4 TD passes in the 09 playoffs. Sydney Rice had over 140 receiving yards and 3 TDs on just 6 catches.

A limping Aaron Rodgers shredded us in the 2014 playoffs. It's the defense that kills us every year. I honestly believe the SB window has already closed on Romo, it closed in 2014. That was his best chance at a SB but we didn't have the defense and continue at least on paper to not have the defense. We have the offense and have the offense every year but we never have the defense and it always catches up with us. No QB is going to be able to overcome a defense that consistently year after year can't make critical stops in important games. We can never mount a pass rush when games are on the line.

Fair enough.
 

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Nobody is giving away a 1 for romo...let alone a 1&3..secondly, this team isn't built right, so RF can't lead us anywhere

Why don't you ask Rex Ryan what he'd give for a Romo. or the Jets coach, or the Browns, or the Niners...
 
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