If you want to see actual decline of an NFL QB...

[65fastback2plus2]

when your passer rating keeps declining steadily for 5 years even a brady homer like you must admit he is not what he was. He had not so good WRs before and did better then he is doing now. Of course a poor O line is also a major factor.
Geee now he knows what Romo had to deal with most of his career.

Peyton is frankly a shadow physically now. Brady is declining physically as well if not as obviously. He his having more horrible games more often. Another sure sign.

Now BB is also very responsible since his ego gets in the way of making good personel decisions.

bingo.

If we're going to use the WR excuse...then the 3rd string QB thats starting for the Rams should have a whole ton of excuses.

 

[sureletsrace]

Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady and it's just not as close as people try to make it.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think it's a bit of both. I mean, Payton isn't the same QB he was 5 years ago either. It is what it is. Time eventually catches everybody but if you look at what Denver has done to help Manning, that's a good indicator of what Brady's career could look like, going forward, if he were in a similar situation. Brady, even in a reduced physical state, is better then 95% of the QBs in the NFL today. You can win with Brady at QB if you help him. Problem is, NE has lived with the idea whole high tide raises all boats idea with Brady that now, they are in a bad situation because Brady needs help going forward. You have to be able to help him with skilled positions. At the very least, you need to get him some OLs who can play. If you do nothing else, you gotta keep him protected. If you can just do that, he's good for 8 wins IMO.

I agree. Peyton is great but Denver really did give him the perfect offense to succeed. He looked way better at 38 years old in Denver than he did at 28 in Indy.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Anyone think Brees is in decline?

Honestly, a little. But it's hard to tell because the Saints have always been up and down.

 

[big dog cowboy]

How many years have the Pats been good? I think at least a decade.

It's been 10 years since they won a super bowl.

 

[Rogah]

It's been 10 years since they won a super bowl.

And in that time they've been to something like 4 CCG's and 2 Super Bowls. I'd say they've still been a good team over that stretch. Is this the end? Maybe, but I'm not sure I'd count them out just yet because they had a mediocre September

 

[hornitosmonster]

It's over in New England

 

[BAZ]

They are still tied for first in the AFC East

 

[yimyammer]

It also didn't help that they shipped Mankins off (you can thank Robert Kraft for that) and even if they want to throw deep, Brady doesn't get the time to do so. He's declined for sure, but if you look at across the league, I think it's more of a function of defenses figuring out how to stop those pick plays and pivot routes and those offenses being so geared for that scheme that they don't have a Plan B.

YR

I didn't follow that move, why is this Kraft's fault?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I didn't follow that move, why is this Kraft's fault?

He promised Logan Mankins a few years ago that he would give him his big deal if he waited until the following season for it because the team supposedly needed it for cap reasons.

The offseason came about and Kraft tried to lowball Mankins. Mankins decided to hold out until after the season because Kraft was trying to screw him over. Finally they came to a deal and as they were crossing their t's and dotting the i's, Kraft demanded that Mankins publicly apologize for making some disparaging remarks about Kraft. Mankins agreed. But as they were going to sign the contract, Kraft demanded that it be delayed and that they wait for Kraft to show up so Mankins would have apologize to Kraft (basically grovel and beg for forgiveness). Mankins told him to screw himself and they signed the deal anyway.

Then this year Kraft wanted Mankins to restructure his deal and Mankins, remembering how Kraft treated him in the past, told him to screw himself and the Patriots traded him away. And now the Pats have serious O-Line issues.

Karma...it does happen.




YR

 

[burmafrd]

He promised Logan Mankins a few years ago that he would give him his big deal if he waited until the following season for it because the team supposedly needed it for cap reasons.

The offseason came about and Kraft tried to lowball Mankins. Mankins decided to hold out until after the season because Kraft was trying to screw him over. Finally they came to a deal and as they were crossing their t's and dotting the i's, Kraft demanded that Mankins publicly apologize for making some disparaging remarks about Kraft. Mankins agreed. But as they were going to sign the contract, Kraft demanded that it be delayed and that they wait for Kraft to show up so Mankins would have apologize to Kraft (basically grovel and beg for forgiveness). Mankins told him to screw himself and they signed the deal anyway.

Then this year Kraft wanted Mankins to restructure his deal and Mankins, remembering how Kraft treated him in the past, told him to screw himself and the Patriots traded him away. And now the Pats have serious O-Line issues.

Karma...it does happen.




YR

karma is beginning to strike....

 

[Rogah]

He promised Logan Mankins a few years ago that he would give him his big deal if he waited until the following season for it because the team supposedly needed it for cap reasons.

The offseason came about and Kraft tried to lowball Mankins. Mankins decided to hold out until after the season because Kraft was trying to screw him over. Finally they came to a deal and as they were crossing their t's and dotting the i's, Kraft demanded that Mankins publicly apologize for making some disparaging remarks about Kraft. Mankins agreed. But as they were going to sign the contract, Kraft demanded that it be delayed and that they wait for Kraft to show up so Mankins would have apologize to Kraft (basically grovel and beg for forgiveness). Mankins told him to screw himself and they signed the deal anyway.

Then this year Kraft wanted Mankins to restructure his deal and Mankins, remembering how Kraft treated him in the past, told him to screw himself and the Patriots traded him away. And now the Pats have serious O-Line issues.

Karma...it does happen.

Bob Kraft is not the GM of the Patriots. I don't think there is a single accurate statement in your post. Patriot personnel moves are all on Belichick. The rest is just ridiculous rumor and gossip that eve TMZ wouldn't touch.

The Patriots offensive line is very poor, but keeping Mankins would have done nothing to solve that. They got 9 good years out of him but he is long past his prime (even if healthy).

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Bob Kraft is not the GM of the Patriots. I don't think there is a single accurate statement in your post. Patriot personnel moves are all on Belichick. The rest is just ridiculous rumor and gossip that eve TMZ wouldn't touch.

The Patriots offensive line is very poor, but keeping Mankins would have done nothing to solve that. They got 9 good years out of him but he is long past his prime (even if healthy).

Nope, you're wrong.

On every single account outside of Kraft not being the GM of the Patriots.

But, that is EXACTLY what he did and that is EXACTLY why Mankins told him to screw off when he wanted him to restructure his contract. Kraft can't be trusted. He's not a good guy.




YR

 

[Rogah]

Nope, you're wrong.

On every single account outside of Kraft not being the GM of the Patriots.

But, that is EXACTLY what he did and that is EXACTLY why Mankins told him to screw off when he wanted him to restructure his contract. Kraft can't be trusted. He's not a good guy.

You can choose to wallow in ignorance and believe everything you read, but it's irrelevant. The guy was in New England for 9 seasons, played very well, but is far past his prime. He is neither the cause of nor the solution to NE's offensive line problems.

He signed a 6 year deal in 2011, which was after the whole made up non-troversy you mentioned above. Nothing says a player hates a place more than signing a 6 year deal there, huh?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You can choose to wallow in ignorance and believe everything you read, but it's irrelevant. The guy was in New England for 9 seasons, played very well, but is far past his prime. He is neither the cause of nor the solution to NE's offensive line problems.

And you can be the Patriots' obsequious lapdog all you want. When we have numerous experts including Rodney Harrison showing where the Pats have struggled on the O-Line, particularly at the left guard spot, it's a problem. It's also a problem when your QB was none too happy about the move.

The fact remains that the Pats wanted Mankins on the team this year. They only got rid of him because he refused to restructure his contract. Typically players have no problem restructuring a contract, but this was the exception based on Kraft's previous actions with Mankins.




YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

They are destroying the Bengals tonite.

Life in the NFL..

 

[Rogah]

And you can be the Patriots' obsequious lapdog all you want. When we have numerous experts including Rodney Harrison showing where the Pats have struggled on the O-Line, particularly at the left guard spot, it's a problem. It's also a problem when your QB was none too happy about the move.

The fact remains that the Pats wanted Mankins on the team this year. They only got rid of him because he refused to restructure his contract. Typically players have no problem restructuring a contract, but this was the exception based on Kraft's previous actions with Mankins.




YR

You seem completely unaware that Mankins was under contract and that he was traded. In other words, if the Patriots wanted Mankins, he would still be there.

I have already said their o-line sucks. It's just foolhardy to think keeping a ridiculously overpaid, past his prime Logan Mankins would change any of that.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

They are destroying the Bengals tonite.

Life in the NFL..

We just had 2 pages of "the talent around brady sucks" lol...he is in decline, just like brees...theyre old, played a long time, it happens.

The only reason tony isnt in the same decline is he doesnt have as many years in yet.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

We just had 2 pages of "the talent around brady sucks" lol...he is in decline, just like brees...theyre old, played a long time, it happens.

The only reason tony isnt in the same decline is he doesnt have as many years in yet.

He looked fine last night. They put a beating on the Bengals. I like Tom ok although he does act like a spoiled brat at times.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You seem completely unaware that Mankins was under contract and that he was traded. In other words, if the Patriots wanted Mankins, he would still be there.

I have already said their o-line sucks. It's just foolhardy to think keeping a ridiculously overpaid, past his prime Logan Mankins would change any of that.

I am not unaware and apparently you cannot comprehend what I have *written* because your Patriots blinders are on.

The Patriots wanted him on the team, they wanted to restructure his contract (what is what I have repeatedly stated already). Mankins told them to go screw themselves. Tom Brady was not happy that they shipped Mankins off. And Mankins has only given up 1 sack this season.





YR