I'll tell you this right now, re-sign Doug Free

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Depends on the price. Martin is playing great at guard, so I would be pretty hesitant with moving him to RT.

I agree with this assessment. When we drafted him, I thought for sure this is Free's replacement. But, why mess with success? Zach is the best G i've seen in a cowboy uniform since Larry Allen.
 

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You can't have a super star at ever position. Should they look to upgrade? Absolutely. You should always be looking to upgrade every position. That said, Free could and should be resigned at a reasonable clip that gives the team room financially and talent wise to bring in someone younger with more upside. Possibly in the draft.

Letting Free walk and just assuming you're going to find an upgrade would be a bug mistake. He is not a world beater, but he is better than many of you give him credit for and he wouldn't be easily replaced.

I'd attempt to resign both of them because the line is a strength right now so why mess with that?

Obviously, one or both might balk at the amount offered but there's nothing wrong with making an attempt to not only keep the line intact but also keep our depth.

That doesn't preclude us from drafting a lineman who might eventually be the replacement for one of them.
 

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who is to say parnell does'nt want just as much money. after the season we will see. who ever we can sign to the best deal is who we will keep. but that does mean we have to sign another tackle this off season either way, unless we signed them both again

Well I would assume Parnell asking for the same would be ridiculous considering he has started about 5 games in his life? Whereas Free has started for quite a few yrs now and his salary will be considerably more because he has more yrs experience than Parnell
 

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Also, with the salaries being somewhat tiered I wonder how that would come into effect? Maybe one of our salary cap gurus could shed some light on that for us?
 

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Parnell has never been paid and would be considered upcoming....he would definitely want as much as Free would command.
 

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Free is still a young player, and his worst years were playing out of position at left tackle and then first year back at RT with garbage at RG. Now he has settled into his natural position, and from what I've seen of other teams,he's at least an average starting RT, not lower tier, and having Martin beside him is working.

Free and Parnell will both draw interest in free agency, and both will want to be signed for starting RT money even if competing for the starting spot. I make Free a fair offer for what he is...with performance incentives. If he turns it down, I make Parnell an offer that is slightly lower but still starter's money. We cannot allow both to walk in free agency unless we sign someone else. We go into the draft not needing a starting RT, but In good shape if one drops to us.

If we can resign Free or Parnell and draft another project/backup player, then we can focus our free agent and draft resources to get what we need on defense. We need to upgrade at DE, CB, and S. The only way we stay pat at LB is if we resign free agents there....otherwise we are weak there as well.
 

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doug is free is about to be on the wrong side of 30. dont pay age. with that being said, im sure he has a few more good years in him. 2 to 3 year deal, i wouldnt oppose as long as its no more or just slightly higher than what he is getting paid now.
 

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Doug Free is s must re - sign .

We have nobody on this team including Parnell that has his game.

He's become a nasty player and is the vocal leader of that group.

I have no idea what made you decide to make this thread.

It appears that your logic is that since Free was back and the Cowboys beat the lowly Jags, then Free must have been the difference.

The game footage and the All-22 just does not show Free to be the difference. Free was not really any better than Parnell, the Cowboys just happened to play against with Jags with Romo playing well instead of against AZ with Weeden and without Leary. The problems in the Skins an AZ game were not due to the RT.
 

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I have no idea what made you decide to make this thread.

It appears that your logic is that since Free was back and the Cowboys beat the lowly Jags, then Free must have been the difference.

The game footage and the All-22 just does not show Free to be the difference. Free was not really any better than Parnell, the Cowboys just happened to play against with Jags with Romo playing well instead of against AZ with Weeden and without Leary. The problems in the Skins an AZ game were not due to the RT.

Free is better than Parnell, not based on the Jags game but overall.
 

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Free is better than Parnell, not based on the Jags game but overall.

That is not obvious if you study the game footage and All-22. I think the Cowboys like having a veteran (Free) next to the rookie (Martin), but when just comparing Free to Parnell on a play by play basis, it's not really obvious which one is better.

Free is better on reach blocks on the backside of the Zone Stretch runs.
Parnell is better in power run blocking.

Free has better pass blocking technique, but will get over-powered at times.
Parnell will not get over-powered, but his technique has room to improve.

I've watched every snap that both of these players have taken at least 5 times each. That includes the broadcast game footage and for the past few years it also includes both views on the coaches film.
 

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That is not obvious if you study the game footage and All-22. I think the Cowboys like having a veteran (Free) next to the rookie (Martin), but when just comparing Free to Parnell on a play by play basis, it's not really obvious which one is better.

Free is better on reach blocks on the backside of the Zone Stretch runs.
Parnell is better in power run blocking.

Free has better pass blocking technique, but will get over-powered at times.
Parnell will not get over-powered, but his technique has room to improve.

I've watched every snap that both of these players have taken at least 5 times each. That includes the broadcast game footage and for the past few years it also includes both views on the coaches film.

And I maintain if the coaches felt Parnell was better he would be starting. Based on what I have seen Free is the more consistent of the 2.
 

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And I maintain if the coaches felt Parnell was better he would be starting. Based on what I have seen Free is the more consistent of the 2.

As I stated, I think the coaches like having the veteran (Free) next to the rookie (Martin).

Also, I didn't say that Parnell was better overall, just that it's not obvious that Free is better either. Parnell definitely does some things better (power run blocking).

The issue is that Parnell will get better with each game if they make him the starter next year; whereas, Free is as good as he's going to get. Free covers up his lack of strength with really good quickness. Now that he's over 30, that quickness could start to decline at anytime.
 

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As I stated, I think the coaches like having the veteran (Free) next to the rookie (Martin).

Also, I didn't say that Parnell was better overall, just that it's not obvious that Free is better either. Parnell definitely does some things better (power run blocking).

The issue is that Parnell will get better with each game if they make him the starter next year; whereas, Free is as good as he's going to get. Free covers up his lack of strength with really good quickness. Now that he's over 30, that quickness could start to decline at anytime.

When watching both I just feel Free has done the better job overall. Just my take. As for resigning Free I would say that would depend on the type of deal they could resign him for.
 

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When watching both I just feel Free has done the better job overall. Just my take. As for resigning Free I would say that would depend on the type of deal they could resign him for.

Everybody has an opinion. Some people form opinions based on watching the game in real-time and focus primarily on following the ball and kind-of-sort-of notice the OLinemen. Other people spend hours reviewing specific players on the DVR and on the coaches film. I have no idea where you fall in that range. I do have a strong feeling that the OP does not review the games or focus on the OLinemen.
 

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Everybody has an opinion. Some people form opinions based on watching the game in real-time and focus primarily on following the ball and kind-of-sort-of notice the OLinemen. Other people spend hours reviewing specific players on the DVR and on the coaches film. I have no idea where you fall in that range. I do have a strong feeling that the OP does not review the games or focus on the OLinemen.

My focus tend to always looking at the guys up front not following the ball so much. I don't claim to be some OL guru I do know what I see and understand what I am looking at. In my view if I had to pick one over the other I would take the play of Free over Parnell. I would also add to many put a player in the dog house after a bad season never to let up on that player and in my view as poor as Free looked at one time I think his play has been very much improved over the last 2 years and more so this season.
 

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In my view if I had to pick one over the other I would take the play of Free over Parnell.

I would too, but Free has reached his ceiling and Parnell was OK as a starter but still has a ton of ceiling left.

And all things aren't equal in deciding between the two. Free is going to get 2 or 3 times the salary of Parnell next year. If the decision is spending 4 million on Free or 4 million on Parnell, a 3rd CB and a backup DE with some pass rush ability - I'm going with the second group.
 

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My focus tend to always looking at the guys up front not following the ball so much. I don't claim to be some OL guru I do know what I see and understand what I am looking at. In my view if I had to pick one over the other I would take the play of Free over Parnell. I would also add to many put a player in the dog house after a bad season never to let up on that player and in my view as poor as Free looked at one time I think his play has been very much improved over the last 2 years and more so this season.

Yes, Free has improved from his terrible play in 2012. He looks a little stronger this season and looks to be in better shape (less of the beer belly look). I do wonder why he has never been able to get true NFL OLineman strength. I wonder if he has some problem with his shoulders that just won't allow him to lift heavy or if he just doesn't put enough time into the weight room.

It would be really odd for Parnell to be unquestionably better overall than Free considering that Free has 77 starts and Parnell has 4. I don't think there is any question that Parnell is better than Free was after Free had started 4 games.
 

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I'd attempt to resign both of them because the line is a strength right now so why mess with that?

Obviously, one or both might balk at the amount offered but there's nothing wrong with making an attempt to not only keep the line intact but also keep our depth.

That doesn't preclude us from drafting a lineman who might eventually be the replacement for one of them.

thats what i expect. see what it would take for both, if that can't get done then you sign one and draft one. not obviously in the first rnd but there are good rt in the top 3 rnds usually. we kinda need to sign one of them but i don't know that i would say one is all that much better than the other so which ever one i could sign is who i would sign. if i could get both all the better but thats unlikely i suspect
 
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