I'm afraid Jerry bypassed scouts' opinions re: Roy Williams trade ..?

[igtmfo]

Word is Jerry talked with Matt Millen for the last few years over Roy Williams, but MM always asked for two first round picks in trade.

So I guess the new GM there said, OK, it's a 1 and a 3 pick, and Jerry said, hell yeah.

Point is, Jerry loved the 2006 RW, 1300 yards (but only 7 TDS, ***?)

2007, not so great, 838 yards, 5 TDs

2008, a partial season with the Lions that would project to about 700 yards, 3 TDs. I guess the injury played some part in that?

Did Jerry ask Tom Ciskowski if RW was worth a one and a three at this point? ... Did Jerry just pull the trigger without considered opinion and deep thinking? It looks like the Galloway trade redux ...

Here are our executives in that hole:

Tom Ciskowski - Director of College and Pro Scouting
Will McClay - Pro Scout
Keith O'Quinn - Pro Scout
Jim Dodson - Pro Scouting Assistant

Should they be blamed ??

A one and a three should only be traded for the second coming. But somebody here overreached, was it Jerry without any counsel?

I love Jason Terry of the Mavs, but he was a 20 point bad *** guy on a bad Hawks team, and it didn't translate to being the man on a good team. I'm afraid we reached for a one-year career-year guy in RW who is pretty good, but with great draft execs doing the drafting (the x-factor), his value ain't so good relative to a one and a three.

The Giants, Falcons, Pats, Dolphins, would get big value from a one and a three pick.

But when have the Cowboys had great draft minds since the early 90s, just before Jerry let them all go?

 

[dadymat]

please go away............:bang2:

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Seriously the picks mean nothing. Especially since we have better success drafting in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds then we do in the 1st round. So I wish we'd put this to rest. Fact is, "scouts" said Tony Romo shouldn't be drafted. "Scouts" said Tom Brady shouldn't go any higher than the 6th round and if Michigan's real quarterback Drew Henson decides to enter the draft he should be the 1st or 2nd qb taken. "Scouts" said Emmitt Smith was too small and wouldn't have a long career. "Scouts" also felt that Jay Ratliff should be a 7th round pick. "Scouts" are right 10% of the time. So if a scout told Jerry bad information on Roy I don't blame Jerry for bypassing it.

 

[igtmfo]

Hey Dadymat, I know I'm picking at scabs ... it's a bad time for this thread, like wishing we hadn't burned a 4-pick on Stanback.

And yes Rocyaice, Henson in the eyes of one scout was better than Brady anyway. It was freaking Jim Garrett (another long-time mistake of a scout for the Boys, Jason's dad) who proffered that, to paraphrase: "Drew Hensen had more makeup/potential than Troy Aikman." ... And so because of Jim Garrett's advice, Jerry traded a three-pick to Houston for Hensen. I have yet to read of any great draft pick of the Boys who the elder Garrett was either the discoverer or was the advocate. Jim Garrett was in that groups of scouts who either sucked, or couldn't make their voice heard above Larry Lacewell, who maybe in turn couldn't be heard above the prejudices/vanity of Jerry, who was and is the de facto GM, when in fact he's done nothing. (Didn't I read Parcells left because of Jerry's GM fantasies ??)

Parcells used to say, you are what you are. And that's mostly in scouting personnel, because that's the difficult thing. Finding good NFL coaches is the easier thing.

 

[grp05]

Jason Terry is currently having the best year of his career. Give the RW11 trade some time.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Dude, the guy came to our team midway through week 6, so we'll call it week 7. He has been here two months, which is equivalent to training camp and preseason.

He is also injured. Is he Randy Moss? No, but at least give the man some time to produce.

 

[igtmfo]

Hey Dadymat, I know I'm picking at scabs ... it's a bad time for this thread, like wishing we hadn't burned a 4-pick on Stanback.

And yes Rocyaice, Henson in the eyes of one scout was better than Brady anyway. It was freaking Jim Garrett (another long-time mistake of a scout for the Boys, Jason's dad) who proffered that, to paraphrase: "Drew Hensen had more makeup/potential than Troy Aikman." ... And so because of Jim Garrett's advice, Jerry traded a three-pick to Houston for Hensen. I have yet to read of any great draft pick of the Boys who the elder Garrett was either the discoverer or was the advocate. Jim Garrett was in that groups of scouts who either sucked, or couldn't make their voice heard above Larry Lacewell, who maybe in turn couldn't be heard above the prejudices/vanity of Jerry, who was and is the de facto GM, when in fact he's done nothing. (Didn't I read Parcells left because of Jerry's GM fantasies ??)

Parcells used to say, you are what you are. And that's mostly in scouting personnel, because that's the difficult thing. Finding good NFL coaches is the easier thing.

 

[igtmfo]

When Tom Hicks bought the Rangers, he let Doug Melvin go. There were about 29-30 full time Rangers scouts at this time (2002?) ; Hicks decided it would better, and would save money, to cut scouts. So we went from 29 full-time scouts down to about 16 full time scouts. (This accd. to an Evan Grant article a few years ago ....)

Jerry similarly fired the brain trust of scouts in 1992 right after our 1st Super Bowl win of the JJ/JJ era: Bob Ackles, John Wooten, and Dick Mansberger (or was it Mansgerber ??) ... leaving maybe 8-10 fulltime scouts yearly? ... See what we got since then?

If I ever make a million on 400-thread-count toilet paper (ahh, what luxury!) ... I'll hire like 100 full time scouts on my team. We'll work on FAs for weeks, on the draft in meetings for 15 hour days, seven days a week, in March and April. Then we'll get some improvement on the Boys ..

 

[TwoDeep3]

Word is Jerry talked with Matt Millen for the last few years over Roy Williams, but MM always asked for two first round picks in trade.

So I guess the new GM there said, OK, it's a 1 and a 3 pick, and Jerry said, hell yeah.

Point is, Jerry loved the 2006 RW, 1300 yards (but only 7 TDS, ***?)

2007, not so great, 838 yards, 5 TDs

2008, a partial season with the Lions that would project to about 700 yards, 3 TDs. I guess the injury played some part in that?

Did Jerry ask Tom Ciskowski if RW was worth a one and a three at this point? ... Did Jerry just pull the trigger without considered opinion and deep thinking? It looks like the Galloway trade redux ...

Here are our executives in that hole:

Tom Ciskowski - Director of College and Pro Scouting
Will McClay - Pro Scout
Keith O'Quinn - Pro Scout
Jim Dodson - Pro Scouting Assistant

Should they be blamed ??

A one and a three should only be traded for the second coming. But somebody here overreached, was it Jerry without any counsel?

I love Jason Terry of the Mavs, but he was a 20 point bad *** guy on a bad Hawks team, and it didn't translate to being the man on a good team. I'm afraid we reached for a one-year career-year guy in RW who is pretty good, but with great draft execs doing the drafting (the x-factor), his value ain't so good relative to a one and a three.

The Giants, Falcons, Pats, Dolphins, would get big value from a one and a three pick.

But when have the Cowboys had great draft minds since the early 90s, just before Jerry let them all go?

___________________

So, one half season and you know for a fact Jerry screwed it up?

Exactly which team do you scout for?

 

[Rogerthat12]

Nothing wrong with RW, sorry!! :bang2:

 

[dadymat]

really...just go away...............

 

[lcharles]

Roy Williams appears to be Keyshawn without the mouth.



Not sure if that is good our not.



Maybe things will look better for this trade once T.O. is gone.


Right now it looks like a useless trade because when healthy Miles Austin has been more productive and more exciting.

 

[cowboyed]

Roy Williams appears to be Keyshawn without the mouth.



Not sure if that is good our not.



Maybe things will look better for this trade once T.O. is gone.


Right now it looks like a useless trade because when healthy Miles Austin has been more productive and more exciting.

Roy Williams coming to the Cowboys just a few months ago hasn't had that much time in our offense. Then Tony was out for nearly a month on top of it. Roy is also battling a bit of a foot problem. He needs to be given some time in the system and to be healthy thus play at full speed. Meanwhile he has helped us out here and there including the clutch TD against Tampa.

 

[alancdc]

Maybe if most throws weren't 8 ft over his head his production would improve.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think he isn't as fast as we thought he was.

We're just going to have to play 'go get it' with him through his career in Dallas and use him as a guy to move the chains.

The deep threat, and guy that would demand attention - well that was just a lot of smoke.

So far we haven't seen any fire.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I think he isn't as fast as we thought he was.

We're just going to have to play 'go get it' with him through his career in Dallas and use him as a guy to move the chains.

The deep threat, and guy that would demand attention - well that was just a lot of smoke.

So far we haven't seen any fire.

Irvin wasn't the fastest guy either. He would just out hustle you for the ball.

I am with the others that say at the end of next season if he hasn't produced, then it will be fair but at this point it is too early.

In the history of the league, there hasn't been a WR traded during the year that has ever put up big numbers...........there must be some reason for that.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Irvin wasn't the fastest guy either. He would just out hustle you for the ball.

I am with the others that say at the end of next season if he hasn't produced, then it will be fair but at this point it is too early.

In the history of the league, there hasn't been a WR traded during the year that has ever put up big numbers...........there must be some reason for that.

Could you give us some examples of past trades for a high profile wide receiver in midseason?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The TO - Witten - RW combination will never be about numbers and stats - It will(or should) be about production and results. ie. Winning games.

Throw the stats out the window.

 

[Doomsday101]

The TO - Witten - RW combination will never be about numbers and stats - It will(or should) be about production and results. ie. Winning games.

Throw the stats out the window.

I agree it should always be about winning not individual numbers.

 

[Alexander]

Seriously the picks mean nothing.

They only mean "nothing" when you make bad selections.

This kind of thinking is what I do not understand. You would think that our fans would appreciate the draft and understand that is the only way to build a long-term winner. That was how we built both dynasties. We acquired those picks in both eras by trading away our overrated talent, just like when Detroit did.

But no, you get statements like this, which are completely foolish.