I'm afraid Jerry bypassed scouts' opinions re: Roy Williams trade ..?

[CowboyMark]

I wonder if Jason Garrett knows that Roy Williams plays for the Cowboys now?

 

[NextGenBoys]

This early. Williams came over mid season and didn't work with Romo for a couple of games, is still learning the playbook etc............

Judge the trade a year or two from now.
Williams is a top 20 wr in this league and is better than anything the Cowboys would be looking at in the first round.

Comparing a would be rookie to a player who has been in the league for 4 or 5 years is ridiculous. Of course he's not going to be better.

The draft isn't about next year, it's about the future. I judge the trade from this year's success. If we win the Super Bowl, it's worth it. If we dont, it was not worth trading for him because we could have signed him in the off season and kept our draft picks.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This early. Williams came over mid season and didn't work with Romo for a couple of games, is still learning the playbook etc............

Judge the trade a year or two from now.
Williams is a top 20 wr in this league and is better than anything the Cowboys would be looking at in the first round.

If he is a top 20 receiver why pay him like he's the 2nd best receiver in the whole league?

 

[arglebargle]

Hey Dadymat, I know I'm picking at scabs ... it's a bad time for this thread, like wishing we hadn't burned a 4-pick on Stanback.

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Parcells used to say, you are what you are. And that's mostly in scouting personnel, because that's the difficult thing. Finding good NFL coaches is the easier thing.

Oh yeah, Parcells, who was so good at picking successful OLineman. Who would have chosen Spears over Ware. Etc. Parcells brought the term 'Pet Cats' with him, but he sure managed to have a whole lot of them himself.

The one thing he did do, was communicate to the scouts the type of player that he wanted for the team. Generally, when you hit on players in the lower rounds, it means your scouts are doing their job.

Regardless of the team, once you get out of the first ten or 20 players in the draft, you are talking low percentages of getting starters.

 

[Future]

If he is a top 20 receiver why pay him like he's the 2nd best receiver in the whole league?

Thats just the way things go. Everybody is overpaid when they get a new contract. The next batch of high profile FA WRs will get more than him...its an endless cycle.

 

[Longboysfan]

I wonder if Jason Garrett knows that Roy Williams plays for the Cowboys now?

Yes. He has 50 plays all designed to get RW open for a 3 yard gain.

 

[Angus]

They only mean "nothing" when you make bad selections.

This kind of thinking is what I do not understand. You would think that our fans would appreciate the draft and understand that is the only way to build a long-term winner. That was how we built both dynasties. We acquired those picks in both eras by trading away our overrated talent, just like when Detroit did.

But no, you get statements like this, which are completely foolish.

I agree. Even if the team makes better picks in the 4th, 5th, and 6th range, a one and a three can buy lots of 4, 5, and 6.

 

[Ren]

For the 1000000000th time

- Our OC has no clue what he's doing you can't catch passes when you're not thrown to

- He's playing injured same thing that kept Newman out for large parts of last season


I really don't get some people around here we haven't seen anything from Roy cause he hasn't been given a chance yet not cause he's bad

 

[Rack]

You guys can't seriously judge the RW trade

Yes, we can.


All I've seen is a WR that isn't getting the ball, STILL isn't pulling double teams off of TO, and we spent WAY too much for him. Would have had the same production out of that spot and jsut got Roy in the offseason w/o spending draft picks to get him.


I said it then, and I'll say it now... it was a dumb trade.

 

[Angus]

For the 1000000000th time

- Our OC has no clue what he's doing you can't catch passes when you're not thrown to

- He's playing injured same thing that kept Newman out for large parts of last season


I really don't get some people around here we haven't seen anything from Roy cause he hasn't been given a chance yet not cause he's bad

Does he run correct routes? Who knows the reason he is not getting the ball? No quarterback ignores players he thinks can help him win.

 

[Ren]

Does he run correct routes? Who knows the reason he is not getting the ball? No quarterback ignores players he thinks can help him win.

are you in the huddle to listen to the plays being called?

is he slow? yes, does he have a foot injury? yes

do we know for a fact that he's not running the right routes? no

does TO and Witten run the right routes 100% of the time? hell no

right now Roy is what he is a player JG has no clue what to do with cause he's to busy trying to stroke TO's ego

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes, we can.


All I've seen is a WR that isn't getting the ball, STILL isn't pulling double teams off of TO, and we spent WAY too much for him. Would have had the same production out of that spot and jsut got Roy in the offseason w/o spending draft picks to get him.


I said it then, and I'll say it now... it was a dumb trade.

I agree.

The only reason I would yeild is if we got Roy Williams to replace Terrell Owens next year.

Terrell Owens could possibly be on this team for another few years.

Also, I really liked what Patrick Crayton and Miles Austion was starting to do before we traded for Roy Williams.

 

[CATCH17]

We can agree to disagree.

Vincent Jackson may be average or slightly better -and he is way better than Chambers.

See I think Vincent Jackson is better than average.

You gotta think what the average Ho-Hum receiver in the NFL is.

Chambers is a nick above Ho-hum Status. Hes like a Poor Mans Keenon McCardell from his younger days (nothing very impressive).

Vincent Jackson has some potential there and is a bit of an up and comer still. Hes slightly better than Average right now but I think he has potential to take another step in his development.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I agree.

The only reason I would yeild is if we got Roy Williams to replace Terrell Owens next year.

Terrell Owens could possibly be on this team for another few years.

Also, I really liked what Patrick Crayton and Miles Austion was starting to do before we traded for Roy Williams.

Especially Miles Austin.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Does he run correct routes? Who knows the reason he is not getting the ball? No quarterback ignores players he thinks can help him win.

He does if he can't read defenses. And nothing against Romo because I could careless what other fans think. He's a top 10 and maybe a top 5 quarterback in this league. But I think it says a lot about a guy who has TO, Crayton and Roy as receivers yet his security blanket is Witten. Its easier go to the tight end because chances are he's open or guarded by a linebacker unless he's a huge threat he's double teamed but on this team Witten doesnt' command double teams because we have TO.

For the 1000000000th time

- Our OC has no clue what he's doing you can't catch passes when you're not thrown to

- He's playing injured same thing that kept Newman out for large parts of last season


I really don't get some people around here we haven't seen anything from Roy cause he hasn't been given a chance yet not cause he's bad

Now wait a minute. I'm willing to blame Garrett for things but he doesn't throw the football. That's Romo's job.

 

[jobberone]

Giving any pick up in any fashion is something to think hard about. And because you got a pick from elsewhere doesn't mean it means nothing. It's in your hand and worth a lot.

 

[Ren]

Now wait a minute. I'm willing to blame Garrett for things but he doesn't throw the football. That's Romo's job.

I was thinking more of stupid plays like the 3rd down pitch out of the backfield and crap like that, those (poorly) designed waste of downs TO plays that never work

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Giving any pick up in any fashion is something to think hard about. And because you got a pick from elsewhere doesn't mean it means nothing. It's in your hand and worth a lot.

Yea but you didn't give a pick up. You traded it for Roy Williams. If you had any confidence the Cowboys could draft a player as good as Roy in the draft then you have a lot more optimistism than I do.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was thinking more of stupid plays like the 3rd down pitch out of the backfield and crap like that, those (poorly) designed waste of downs TO plays that never work

Well like I said i'm willing to blame Garrets for things but Roy Williams isn't even getting the ball thrown his way. He did last game and it was surprisngly when they moved him on the opposite side of the field where TO usually was. Actually it was a pretty good play where we had TO in motion and the defense had no idea where TO was going. I wish we'd see more of that type of stuff in the 1st and 2nd quarter rather then when we're down by two touchdowns.

 

[rangers71]

Anyone that judges this trade now is a freaking idiot. End of story. And I have a question for all of you idiots that say this is a bad trade. If Roy catches the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl is it still a dumb trade? I bet you would still say it was because he only caught one touchdown. You people are morons. Please go find a new team to root for.