I'm getting crucified over Phillips...

[lewpac]

Over on another board, I've been threatened with a "ban", been called every vile name in the book, and have been accused of being "on drugs" and being "from another planet" because of my opinion about the Phillips/Garrett hirings.
I'm a Cowboy for life. Got a helmet sized Star tattooed on my leg. Have always had Jerry's back and defended him for years against all comers.
But, based upon the events I've witnessed the last few weeks, I'm not inspired by the new "regime" in place.
I contend the following: The Garrett hire as OC, or close to it, occured BEFORE the HC hiring. Garrett's resume' begins and ends with a 2 year stint as QB coach in Miami. Have you seen the QB picture in Miami lately? How come Huzinga, with all his coaching staff problems didn't do everything in his power to keep Garrett? If a QB coach is the "next Vunder-Child Offensive guru", how come we didn't go after the QB coach in Indy. Or New England? Or New Orleans? What about the QB coach in Green Bay? Doesn't sit well with me.
Then, who else made any mention of Wade Phillips or Norv but Jerry? Nobody. Why is that? How come Turner's door slammed shut as soon as he mentioned his concern about the Garrett hiring?
Wade's record is a winning one, but nothing inspiring or worthy of praise. Certainly not in the playoffs.
All this smells to me like Jerry's got his "crony's", "toady's" and "yes men" on board so as to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong. In the huddle, on the feild and making decisions about who plays where and when.
Am I completely "off my rocker" and "from another planet" for considering such a thing?
I wanted Rivera. How come Dallas can't have one of these young guys with a fire up his ***, spitting nails, pacing the sideline's, one who actually played the game and can actually run onto the field with the players? How come we can have one of these Lovey/Payton/Gruden type of guys? I'm tired of of yesterday's news coaches with boobs. Gailey, Campo, Parcells, and now Phillips. Old school guys the game has passed by (imo).
I love the Dallas Cowboys. But this thing smacks and smells of what I said. An owner who's setting things up to meddle, with a crew of people who will do anything he says.
I honestly want your opinions. Because I'm being treated like Hannibal Lector on this other board for what I think it not that "bizarre" an opinion on this.

 

[parchy]

Winning records speak for themselves. He's a defensive coach with a willingness to accept other people's opinions... and his offensive coordinator will have the stones to try some things.

He's got his fair share of flaws, which I readily admit, but I just tell people to wait until they see a product to judge what Phillips is selling.

Until then, fold your hands behind your head and enjoy the off-season, knowing full well that Wade Phillips is doing his damndest to make your Cowboys into the mean, blitzing, Romo-wielding, TO fielding unit we all know this team is.

And if that ain't enough sunshine pumpin' for ya, let me know. I got a whole bag of this stuff somewhere in the attic.

 

[lewpac]

You know, I will believe. Just like the TO thing that I'm sure most didn't want any part of. I gotta' go to the prom with the date that Jerry picks.
Come July I know I'll find ways and reasons to be all pumped up and "on board".
I've been at this Cowboy racket since 1966, there's no turning back and no other choice.
My thing here is this idea that "you don't know anything about the NFL", and "you're a complete moron", and "not a real Cowboy fan", becuase I'm not being a "good little Cowboy faithfull" and not jumping aboard anything Jerry says or does.
Like I said, I love Jerry as an owner. Wouldn't trade him for any other owner in the league. I even took his side in the Jimmy/Jerry divorce! I blamed Jimmy for that.
I'm just taken aback by this attitude that there's no credence or any reason to think what I think. I regret that I think this way, I really do. And I'll give it every chance in the world to work. I want it to work. It's just my reasonable conclusion that it's not beyond reach that this COULD be happening. After all, what's the biggest and loudest dig on Jerry all these years (one that I always dismissed)? That he meddles and thinks he's a bigger "football" man than he is.
There's a very good chance, given the evidence, that this MAY be the case. And I'm being ripped for it over there. I don't really care. I got as thick a skin as the next guy. But these guys talk like Wade is untouchable and the next coming of Lombardi!

 

[smarta5150]

I still dont understand the popular craze for a "young-fiery" type guy.

Wade Phillips pumps his fist, I've seen it... he might not be able to do cart-wheels across the 50 yard line but who cares?

You ever hear of Tony Dungy? How about Lovie Smith? These were the last 2 coaches to be coaching this season and neither didnt any of the sort you (and many others) talk about. Lovie did go crazy over the 108 yard return by Hester but who wouldnt?


I personally would rather let the players be the physical-emotional type guys.

All the coach has to do is pick his parts, position his pieces [player] in the best possible formation and let the athletes do all that "young" guys stuff.

You mention Rivera but he's a 4-3 guy. He is married to it. It might look possible on paper to make the switch easily but that doesnt always mean it will work on the field.

Payton... we already had our chance, you can thank Parcells for that.

Gruden? No thanks, I dont want that tampa-2 here...

So yeah, complain if you want, I wont call you vile names or anything but I ask you to give the guy a shot. He was the perfect fit out of the canidates... beggers cant be choosers.

 

[silverbear]

Over on another board, I've been threatened with a "ban", been called every vile name in the book, and have been accused of being "on drugs" and being "from another planet" because of my opinion about the Phillips/Garrett hirings.

And I'm quite sure you've been EVER so diplomatic while expressing those opinions...

I'm a Cowboy for life. Got a helmet sized Star tattooed on my leg.

Hey, I've got a birthmark shaped like a bullfrog on my... well, never mind...

I contend the following: The Garrett hire as OC, or close to it, occured BEFORE the HC hiring.

That's going way out on a limb there... LOL...

Garrett's resume' begins and ends with a 2 year stint as QB coach in Miami.

Uhhh, no, it doesn't... it also includes a bunch of years playing the game, many of them as Troy Aikman's backup... it also includes growing up in a football family, where his Dad is a well-regarded scout...

How come Huzinga, with all his coaching staff problems didn't do everything in his power to keep Garrett?

a) Huizenga is an idiot... that fact was established beyond all reasonable doubt a LOOOONG time ago, with his handling of the Florida Marlins...

b) He DID try to keep Garrett-- until the Cowboys came calling, and new head coach Cam Cameron decided it wouldn't look good to keep Jason from interviewing for his "dream job"...

Then, who else made any mention of Wade Phillips or Norv but Jerry?

And yet, one of the first names I read about after the Chargers fired Schottenheimer was Norv's...

Seems you have an agenda, but it's not really supported by anything FACTUAL... just a lot of Spagnola-esque arguments along the lines of "if the guy was so good, how come he's looking for a job??"

How come Turner's door slammed shut as soon as he mentioned his concern about the Garrett hiring?

Except Norv has said he never expressed any such concerns... once again, you believe what the mediots tell you, without bothering to dig a little deeper, and find out what the TRUTH is... at least one prominent Metroplex mediot has suggested-- in print-- that some folks inside of Valley Ranch started spreading rumors about the "demands" Norv reportedly made, in a calculated effort to sabotage Norv's chances...

And you accept such rumors without hesitation... which sadly renders most of your speculations here rather foolish...

All this smells to me like Jerry's got his "crony's", "toady's" and "yes men" on board so as to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong. In the huddle, on the feild and making decisions about who plays where and when.

Good Gawd, you really DO believe everything the mediots tell you, don't you??

Yeah, ol' Wade is such a "yes man" that he got fired from the Bills for REFUSING to fire his special teams coach, as management demanded...

Am I completely "off my rocker" and "from another planet" for considering such a thing?

Well, I don't know about "off your rocker", but for sure you're sounding off without really having the facts at your disposal... and as a result, yeah, the questions you ask are kind of ridiculous...

I wanted Rivera. How come Dallas can't have one of these young guys with a fire up his ***, spitting nails, pacing the sideline's, one who actually played the game and can actually run onto the field with the players?

Because of course, the ONLY way to be a successful head coach is by actually having played the game, and actually running onto the field with the players... that was the secret behind Vince Lombardi's success, don't ya know...

I love the Dallas Cowboys. But this thing smacks and smells of what I said.

Does it, or are you just another mindless, cliched Jerry hater who WANTS to believe the worst about him??

I honestly want your opinions. Because I'm being treated like Hannibal Lector on this other board for what I think it not that "bizarre" an opinion on this.

Any opinion formulated when one has as shaky a grasp of the truth of a situation as you've shown us here is bound to be on the "bizarre" side... go inform yourself more fully as to those facts, then see if they fit you rigidly preconceived notions...

 

[smarta5150]

And I'm quite sure you've been EVER so diplomatic while expressing those opinions...



Hey, I've got a birthmark shaped like a bullfrog on my... well, never mind...



That's going way out on a limb there... LOL...



Uhhh, no, it doesn't... it also includes a bunch of years playing the game, many of them as Troy Aikman's backup... it also includes growing up in a football family, where his Dad is a well-regarded scout...



a) Huizenga is an idiot... that fact was established beyond all reasonable doubt a LOOOONG time ago, with his handling of the Florida Marlins...

b) He DID try to keep Garrett-- until the Cowboys came calling, and new head coach Cam Cameron decided it wouldn't look good to keep Jason from interviewing for his "dream job"...



And yet, one of the first names I read about after the Chargers fired Schottenheimer was Norv's...

Seems you have an agenda, but it's not really supported by anything FACTUAL... just a lot of Spagnola-esque arguments along the lines of "if the guy was so good, how come he's looking for a job??"



Except Norv has said he never expressed any such concerns... once again, you believe what the mediots tell you, without bothering to dig a little deeper, and find out what the TRUTH is... at least one prominent Metroplex mediot has suggested-- in print-- that some folks inside of Valley Ranch started spreading rumors about the "demands" Norv reportedly made, in a calculated effort to sabotage Norv's chances...

And you accept such rumors without hesitation... which sadly renders most of your speculations here rather foolish...



Good Gawd, you really DO believe everything the mediots tell you, don't you??

Yeah, ol' Wade is such a "yes man" that he got fired from the Bills for REFUSING to fire his special teams coach, as management demanded...



Well, I don't know about "off your rocker", but for sure you're sounding off without really having the facts at your disposal... and as a result, yeah, the questions you ask are kind of ridiculous...



Because of course, the ONLY way to be a successful head coach is by actually having played the game, and actually running onto the field with the players... that was the secret behind Vince Lombardi's success, don't ya know...



Does it, or are you just another mindless, cliched Jerry hater who WANTS to believe the worst about him??



Any opinion formulated when one has as shaky a grasp of the truth of a situation as you've shown us here is bound to be on the "bizarre" side... go inform yourself more fully as to those facts, then see if they fit you rigidly preconceived notions...

Crucified without the name calling

 

[parchy]

Crucified without the name calling

Silverbear's a special breed, friend.

 

[bbgun]

Seems you have an agenda

once again, you believe what the mediots tell you

at least one prominent Metroplex mediot has suggested

Good Gawd, you really DO believe everything the mediots tell you, don't you??

Does it, or are you just another mindless, cliched Jerry hater who WANTS to believe the worst about him??

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[blindzebra]

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The amount of irony of that post is astronomical.

 

[smarta5150]

Yesssss.. Zebra, Bear and BB getting involved... do you guys mind if I watch?

 

[dcfanatic]

And I'm quite sure you've been EVER so diplomatic while expressing those opinions...



Hey, I've got a birthmark shaped like a bullfrog on my... well, never mind...



That's going way out on a limb there... LOL...



Uhhh, no, it doesn't... it also includes a bunch of years playing the game, many of them as Troy Aikman's backup... it also includes growing up in a football family, where his Dad is a well-regarded scout...



a) Huizenga is an idiot... that fact was established beyond all reasonable doubt a LOOOONG time ago, with his handling of the Florida Marlins...

b) He DID try to keep Garrett-- until the Cowboys came calling, and new head coach Cam Cameron decided it wouldn't look good to keep Jason from interviewing for his "dream job"...



And yet, one of the first names I read about after the Chargers fired Schottenheimer was Norv's...

Seems you have an agenda, but it's not really supported by anything FACTUAL... just a lot of Spagnola-esque arguments along the lines of "if the guy was so good, how come he's looking for a job??"



Except Norv has said he never expressed any such concerns... once again, you believe what the mediots tell you, without bothering to dig a little deeper, and find out what the TRUTH is... at least one prominent Metroplex mediot has suggested-- in print-- that some folks inside of Valley Ranch started spreading rumors about the "demands" Norv reportedly made, in a calculated effort to sabotage Norv's chances...

And you accept such rumors without hesitation... which sadly renders most of your speculations here rather foolish...



Good Gawd, you really DO believe everything the mediots tell you, don't you??

Yeah, ol' Wade is such a "yes man" that he got fired from the Bills for REFUSING to fire his special teams coach, as management demanded...



Well, I don't know about "off your rocker", but for sure you're sounding off without really having the facts at your disposal... and as a result, yeah, the questions you ask are kind of ridiculous...



Because of course, the ONLY way to be a successful head coach is by actually having played the game, and actually running onto the field with the players... that was the secret behind Vince Lombardi's success, don't ya know...



Does it, or are you just another mindless, cliched Jerry hater who WANTS to believe the worst about him??



Any opinion formulated when one has as shaky a grasp of the truth of a situation as you've shown us here is bound to be on the "bizarre" side... go inform yourself more fully as to those facts, then see if they fit you rigidly preconceived notions...

Funny how you just drank a big glass of the cool aid and tore this guy's post apart. I think Wade Phillips 'can' be a good coach here, but I don't know that he will and neither does anyone else.

The guy was expressing his opinions and you are trying to tear him down for having an opinion. As far as the mediots saying this and that I think at some point you have to listen and decipher what's accurate and what's not. Some of the stuff is just a hunch and some of it is from inside sources. Don't try to act as if every single thing they say is off the mark so that every point you try to make against his post is valid.

Like I said already, I think Wade Phillips was the best choice out of all the candidates that were interviewed. That's not to say that he was my #1 choice of every guy on the planet. I think a lot of people out there feel the same way I do about Wade and that's not a bad thing.

His hesistation about whether or not Jason Garrett will be a good offensive coordinator is completely valid. The guy has never been in charge of offensive play calling for an entire football game yet. He is considered a great young mind, but until we see the results I think it's fine if people have their doubts about him being hired before we even chose a head coach.

Now about Jerry. Stop trying to fool yourself about him. I am hoping he's learned his lesson about meddling about everyday 'football related' matters, but for anyone to say they are positive that he has if just ludicrous at this time. Let's see how the draft is handled and how the team attacks Free Agency before go giving Jerry a pat on the back. IMO, it's going to be very difficult for a guy with no Super Bowl rings to hold Jerry back when he get's going on his ideas about what the team should do in certain situations.

Bill Parcells ws able to do that in a limited capacity and it failed to bring Jerry to the Super Bowl. So there has to be some doubt in the back of his mind about allowing the coach-owner dynamic to play out in the same manner once again.

For the sake of the Cowboys I am rooting like heck that everything works out for the best and we see this team in the Super Bowl next season. But to sit back and rip another poster because he has his doubts makes me think you have a crystal ball or something and you know for a fact that's exactly what's going to take place.

 

[bbgun]

Funny how you just drank a big glass of the cool aid and tore this guy's post apart. I think Wade Phillips 'can' be a good coach here, but I don't know that he will and neither does anyone else.

The guy was expressing his opinions and you are trying to tear him down for having an opinion. As far as the mediots saying this and that I think at some point you have to listen and decipher what's accurate and what's not. Some of the stuff is just a hunch and some of it is from inside sources. Don't try to act as if every single thing they say is off the mark so that every point you try to make against his post is valid.

You must be relatively new to this board, because bullying is Bear's specialty. Every day he swings by spoiling for a fight, no matter how inane the topic. He picks what he considers to be a weak animal from the CZ herd and pounces. And tonight he stoops to a new low by savaging someone who was clearly a fan and a Wade defender. Sad, really. I guess shuffleboard at the rec center couldn't hold his interest, so the rest of us have to suffer.

Of course, I saw through his act a long time ago. All sound, no fury. Remember when the Bumble was reduced to nothing when he lost his teeth? That's our Bear for ya.

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[Chrissyboy]

What I read from lewpac's comments were that:
he's a 'Boys fan;
he's a Jerry fan;
he wasn't overly excited by all the HC prospects;
and is worried about Jerry interfering.

Seems reasonable to me...

We can all pick faults with everones' opinions - that is the beauty of opinions, partly based on fact, partly based on instinct - not always correct!

Feel good about yourselves guys for hunting in packs! Pathetic and cowardly!

Good for you Lews. Keep giving your opinions, you'll get a few negative and a few positive responses, but hopefully most will be respectful and constructive.

I think any reasonable adult has to share some of those concerns. Myself: I believe mostly in what Jerry does but I don't want to see him having too much influence in the War Room or on the coaching side of things! I love his passion though and I am thoroughly pleased he is our owner.

 

[CowboyBlog]

Best line of the day:


"coaches with boobs"



I hate that also!!!!!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Patients will pay off in the end.......we are AMERICA'S TEAM!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wade and Jerry are friends.

Wade was probably decided on a long time ago knowing Jerry.

Wade probably knew about Garrett while it was happening.

OR

Jerry feels like enough pieces are in place where he can meddle and win it as a coach/owner.................ohhh noooo... its happening again

 

[silverbear]

Silverbear's a special breed, friend.

"Special", as in "rides the short bus"??

 

[silverbear]

Funny how you just drank a big glass of the cool aid and tore this guy's post apart. I think Wade Phillips 'can' be a good coach here, but I don't know that he will and neither does anyone else.

And where exactly did I suggest that was not the case??

The guy was expressing his opinions and you are trying to tear him down for having an opinion. As far as the mediots saying this and that I think at some point you have to listen and decipher what's accurate and what's not.

I think that's exactly right... I also think the original poster didn't bother to "decipher" anything, he merely accepted every anti-Jerry comment without question...

I do believe that I tore his OPINIONS down, though, rather than the guy himself... and I do believe there's a difference...

Some of the stuff is just a hunch and some of it is from inside sources. Don't try to act as if every single thing they say is off the mark so that every point you try to make against his post is valid.

Hey, if he (or you) feels like documenting the claims I've said were specious, he (or you) is welcome to do so... I certainly stand ready to document the claims I made in my rebuttal, for example the comments I made about the media claiming Norv made demands that he never made...

Like I said already, I think Wade Phillips was the best choice out of all the candidates that were interviewed. That's not to say that he was my #1 choice of every guy on the planet. I think a lot of people out there feel the same way I do about Wade and that's not a bad thing.

It's actually pretty much the way I feel, too...

His hesistation about whether or not Jason Garrett will be a good offensive coordinator is completely valid.

Of course it is... but distorting his record while expressing such hesitation is not, and that's what lewpac did-- he misrepresented Jason's credentials in the game of football, and insinuated that Garrett wasn't all that because the Fins didn't make an effort to keep him, when in fact they denied a number of teams the right to talk to Jason prior to the Cowboys asking...

If you think that Garrett is not yet ready to call the plays for a team, is not yet ready to devise and implement a game play for the opponent that week, that's a legitimate point for debate... but lewpac did little of that, instead resorting to trashing Garrett's resume with innuendo...

Now about Jerry. Stop trying to fool yourself about him. I am hoping he's learned his lesson about meddling about everyday 'football related' matters, but for anyone to say they are positive that he has if just ludicrous at this time.

Sure am glad that I didn't say any such thing... all I've argued is there is no concrete reason right now for any of the Jerry haters to ASSUME that Jerry's making a power grab here, trying to be the de facto head coach with a "puppet" holding down the actualy job...

To which I have responded with perfect common sense, that an examination of Phillips' career as a head coach most assuredly does NOT paint a picture of a "puppet"...

And you have NO evidence to support what you apparently also believe, that Jerry's just "meddling" again... but you DO have comments directly from Jerry, addressing exactly those concerns, saying that he's not gonna hamstring his new head coach...

But of course, you blow those comments off, dismiss them out of hand... how very strange, that you seem to believe ANY BS that a mediot spews against Jerry, without any proof whatsoever that the BS being spewed is accurate (indeed, a lot of times you have evidence that it IS indeed BS), but won't accept what Jerry says his own self for what they are...

Let's see how the draft is handled and how the team attacks Free Agency before go giving Jerry a pat on the back.

Hey, my participation in this thread is not to give Jerry any pats on the back, it's merely to counter the poisonous garbage being spread by assorted Jerry haters...

IMO, it's going to be very difficult for a guy with no Super Bowl rings to hold Jerry back when he get's going on his ideas about what the team should do in certain situations.

And IMO Jerry will express those ideas in the construction of the team, which is a GM's proper function... but once the regular season rolls around, I expect that Jerry will not be a problem for Wade to deal with...

For the sake of the Cowboys I am rooting like heck that everything works out for the best and we see this team in the Super Bowl next season. But to sit back and rip another poster because he has his doubts makes me think you have a crystal ball or something and you know for a fact that's exactly what's going to take place.

I guess when I see a big, steaming mound of bovine fecal matter, I'm not supposed to point out that we're looking at a big, steaming mound of bovine fecal matter... well, Miss Manners, you seem to be unclear at how a message board functions-- somebody expresses an opinion, and those who agree with that opinion jump on board with a "me, too" type post, while those who disagree jump in and disagree...

That's all I did, disagree with the points being made... and in fact, by my standards my "assault" was really quite tame...

But more to the point, I stand behind every argument I made, 100 per cent... if you feel like arguing the points I've raised in the course of this thread, you are of course completely welcome to do so, and I'll almost certainly give you the courtesy of a response if and when you do...

But this time around, all you seem to be doing is complaining because I wasn't NICE enough to suit you when I expressed my disagreement... well, complaint noted, but don't expect me to take it too serious...

 

[silverbear]

Yesssss.. Zebra, Bear and BB getting involved... do you guys mind if I watch?

Cost you a quarter...

 

[silverbear]

You must be relatively new to this board, because bullying is Bear's specialty.

How interesting, that you'd call telling the TRUTH "bullying"...

Every day he swings by spoiling for a fight, no matter how inane the topic. He picks what he considers to be a weak animal from the CZ herd and pounces.

Hmmm, if that theory is true, apparently I consider you to be just about the weakest animal in the CZ herd... LOL...

And tonight he stoops to a new low by savaging someone

Again, how FASCINATING, that you see an argument based ENTIRELY on the topic at hand, without any personal assault at all, and call it "savaging someone"...

Of course, I saw through his act a long time ago. All sound, no fury.

And yet, I seem to have YOU all worked up...

Can't tell you how much I enjoyed this little diatribe, bb... once again, I get a measure of exactly how much I've messed with your mind... LOL...