I'm Starting to Turn to the Dark Side

[blueblood70]

The NN's & DD's for sure have taken over this forum.
I look at 90% of the thread titles and skip them, as they are always negative. And if positive, they are taken over.

I understand, fans are upset. And there are legitimate concerns and posts. However most of them are repeated and rehashed.

It is the way of this forum anymore. I spend my time elsewhere and doing other things, than responding. As no good come from it.

I am waiting to get to FA and draft talk.

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[cowboyec]

they simply have to be better.

 

[jsb357]

I'll always be a die hard fan but I probably won't drink any Kool Aid until they actually make an NFCC and play consistently.
I'll always hope for the best but will prepare for the worst, and it's sad that "America's Team" makes me feel like that.

Well said...

 

[Reid1boys]

OK fine I should have been more clear on the definition of support. You got me.

its not a crime. Look, I would love to have the team win another SB, but it doesnt take away from the crazy ups and downs I enjoy as a football fan. I go tto go to the Chargers game with 3 of my daughters and my wife. Daughter attends UCLA, so she was already down there. It was great... as well as 5 other games. Losing and being pissed at Jerry will never take away from the great times I have during the season. I m just pissed its over already.

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

I have followed the Cowboys since the early 70s and here’s my opinion of what’s wrong with the team. It’s the culture. It’s new players riding on the back and wave of the old Cowboys. What happens when you become a Dallas cowboy. So you have a partially good season or a good season. You make some plays. You get talked about at 15 to 1 ratio over other players equal to you on other teams. You’re an instant celebrity. All the Talking Heads mention you. You start thinking yours doesn’t stink. It goes to your head. You approach the Joneses and you get a fat contract you probably didn’t deserve. You go into the next season thinking you’re the next Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and you know what? You probably could be. But that doesn’t happen. You get fat, you get lazy and you get soft. You start riding on the Winds of the past. You got your celebrity status, your millions of dollars, your endorsement, and fighting with every fiber of your being to get to a championship just doesn’t seem that important anymore.

what the Cowboys need is a front office GM and coach combination they can do away with this mentality that seems to plague the Cowboys. A bill Parcells, disciplinary type coach. That will call you out, sit you on your butt and embarrass you if you try and go soft.

this Dallas Cowboys team was at a minimum top two or three most talented teams in the league. They were also one of the more soft and wimpy teams in the league. That’s a culture problem.

 

[Reid1boys]

Too many hands in the cookie jar, you’re absolutely right. Playing an injured Zeke over Pollard REEKS of classic Jerry = he needs to see his money superstars on the field, even if there’s a better player behind them.

such garbage.. I know you like to think that because you want to be able to blame him, but Pollard had more carries this year than any time in his career. Was that Jerry? Was it Jerry that only got CeeDee a couple targets??? cmon...smh

 

[MyFairLady]

I will always want the Cowboys to win and I will always follow them more closely than is healthy but you can expect the following:

1. If you sign a huge contract then turn into a bum I will call you out on it. D Flaw, Dez, Zeke, etc.
2. If you are overpaid for what you are I will call you out on it. Cooper, Dak, etc.
3. If you are one of Jerrys pet projects that gets special treatment I will call you out on it. Gregory, Jaylon, Collins, etc.
4. If you spend all of the money on magic beans (in this case typically WRs) I will call you out on it.
5. If penalties are a problem and you can not correct them I will call you out on it.

The list goes on and on. At the end of the day all of these issues can be traced back to one place. They old drunk clown at the top that treats this team like what it really is. A play toy for an old drunk clown.

 

[Blake]

Took you this long?

 

[Reid1boys]

I have followed the Cowboys since the early 70s and here’s my opinion of what’s wrong with the team. It’s the culture. It’s new players riding on the back and wave of the old Cowboys. What happens when you become a Dallas cowboy. Do you have a partially good season or a good season. You make some plays. You get talked about at 15 to 1 ratio over other players equal to you on other teams. You’re an instant celebrity. All the Talking Heads mention you. You start thinking yours doesn’t stink. It goes to your head. You approach the Joneses and you get a fat contract you probably didn’t deserve. You go into the next season thinking you’re the next Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and you know what? You probably could be. But that doesn’t happen. You get fat, you get lazy and you get soft. You start riding on the Winds of the past. You got your celebrity status, your millions of dollars, your endorsement, and fighting with every fiber of your being to get to a championship just doesn’t seem that important anymore.

what the Cowboys need is a front office GM and coach combination they can do away with this mentality that seems to plague the Cowboys. A bill Parcells, disciplinary type coach. That will call you out, sit you on your butt and embarrass you if you try and go soft.

this Dallas Cowboys team was at a minimum top two or three most talented teams in the league. They were also one of the more soft and wimpy teams in the league. That’s a culture problem.

Is Andy Reid a Parcells kind of coach? How bout Mcvey? Arians? Zac Taylor?
Bobby Knight coaches are long gone. The days of witholding a water to those wussy players to toughen them up are over.

 

[morat1959]

Buckle up! JJ will be spewing the same BS this off-season.

 

[Reid1boys]

I will always want the Cowboys to win and I will always follow them more closely than is healthy but you can expect the following:

1. If you sign a huge contract then turn into a bum I will call you out on it. D Flaw, Dez, Zeke, etc.
2. If you are overpaid for what you are I will call you out on it. Cooper, Dak, etc.
3. If you are one of Jerrys pet projects that gets special treatment I will call you out on it. Gregory, Jaylon, Collins, etc.
4. If you spend all of the money on magic beans (in this case typically WRs) I will call you out on it.
5. If penalties are a problem and you can not correct them I will call you out on it.

The list goes on and on. At the end of the day all of these issues can be traced back to one place. They old drunk clown at the top that treats this team like what it really is. A play toy for an old drunk clown.

somebody mentioned it last night.... when Mahomes was doing all that running around, do you honestly think the Chiefs Oline wasnt holding? or maybe the Refs just dont call it on them? I saw a play late in that Bills final drive ( i think it was the final drivbe, its so hard to remember with all that action) but lots of contact by DB, and no PI. We blew on Raider receivers on Thanksgiving on horribly underthrown balls and get PI called.

So many Cowboys game are nationally televised and big hype. refs are human, no doubt in my mind it impacts their calls on us.

 

[kskboys]

I certainly don't agree with the delight many on this forum take in rubbing the team's failure in the faces of their supposed fellow fans. It wouldn't surprise me if a select few of this forums celebrity Negative Nancy's are actually Eagles fans. That said, I've finally started to see that many of the points you guys have made about Jerry, Dak, and McCarthy are true. I work in healthcare finance and one of the key principles in my job is that you can't ignore trends. If something happens over and over then it's usually more the norm than an outlier. I have been a big fan of Jerry and Dak, and have been a very hopeful and optimistic fan even though the team hasn't been to an NFCC since I was 7.

I'm not sure if it's because I actually went to the game and spent alot of hard-earned money on seats only to witness Dak miss throws, McCarthy and Moore be completely out-schemed and out-coached, or if it's because I'm staring down another long offseason after yet another one-and-done-in-the-playoffs season, but I've finally reached my breaking point and am ready to acknowledge that Jerry's ego and his inability to get out of the coaches way and hire anything other than "yes men" has doomed this team having any hope of real success. Between forcing OL/RB personnel, interfering with how Kellen calls games, etc., he and Stephen have certainly created a too many hands in the cookie jar situation, and I can certainly see how no great coach would want to work for someone like that. I've grown in my career under bosses that let me spread my wings and do things my way while giving me support and guidance, and have wanted to get away from micro-managers as quickly as possible. So, it's pretty obvious why no coach worth their salt would want to be told they have to start Collins at RT, they had to play Zeke over Pollard, etc. Hell, I'm even more shocked they cut Jaylon after the way they kept ramming their heads into the wall with their personnel decisions seemingly all made by Jerry and Stephen.

Dak is harder for me to wrap my head around. I genuinely felt like he was improving and starting to play like the best QB's in the league. He was confident, making great reads and throws, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how he fell off so fast. He seemed like he could run fine vs. SF and so I can't attribute his shakiness to the calf. He just seemed like he had no confidence in himself, his OL, or his receivers. Out of all of the things I listed I do still feel like Dak can turn it around, but I acknowledge that he's going to need some help that I'm not sure he's going to get. With Amari seemingly on the outs with the Jones' I'm very worried about this offense with an aging Zeke and no Amari and an OL that needs rebuilding in the middle. I'm not sure if Ceedee has shown true dominant #1 potential. It really felt like this year was the best year to make a run and the team fell flat on their faces.

It's taken me a while but now I really understand why many of you are glass half empty when it comes to this team. I'll always be a die hard fan but I probably won't drink any Kool Aid until they actually make an NFCC and play consistently. I'll always hope for the best but will prepare for the worst, and it's sad that "America's Team" makes me feel like that.

Here's the deal w/ your first couple of sentences. Ignore the extreme haters and homers. There's only about a dozen or so of each, even though they squawk so loudly it seem as if there's more.

There are a pile of good posters on this site. Learn who they are and limit your discussions w/ those you can respect. Makes this place topnotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

It's not the dark side.

It's just not falling for fools gold.

The "show me, don't tell me" mentality is a healthy one.

Yup. I would say the dark side is buying into Jerry spew.

 

[kskboys]

"I certainly don't agree with the delight many on this forum take in rubbing the team's failure in the faces of their supposed fellow fans."

You sure about this. I havent seen any of this.

It's mostly in the Dak threads. That's why you seldom see good posters in there.

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

Is Andy Reid a Parcells kind of coach? How bout Mcvey? Arians? Zac Taylor?
Bobby Knight coaches are long gone. The days of witholding a water to those wussy players to toughen them up are over.

You missed the entire point of my post. It’s because it’s the Dallas Cowboys. Instant stardom. The Kansas City Chiefs could go out and win the next five Super Bowls and they still would not have the star status as someone who walks in and puts on a Cowboys helmet.

 

[Reid1boys]

Buckle up! JJ will be spewing the same BS this off-season.

Buckle up is right... because I think he is going to go after Payton big time, and for once i think that coach is worth a go.

 

[nalam]

In the end, the only thing that matters is results.

We can like and hate players, like and hate coaches, like and hate the front office, but in the end, the only thing that matters is results.

We can support and root for the Cowboys every year, but in the end, the only thing that matters is results.

Love Dak or hate Dak, love McCarthy or hate McCarthy, none of that matters .. in the end, they lost.

That is what matters.

Results when matter is what counts,

most comeback wins stats does nothing , if you couldnt come back in playoffs and march ahead and win one championship.

that is what sorely missing in the mental mix up of the team , coaches….

 

[MyFairLady]

this Dallas Cowboys team was at a minimum top two or three most talented teams in the league. They were also one of the more soft and wimpy teams in the league. That’s a culture problem.

You got the soft and wimpy part right but you are grossly over valuing our players. We barely have a single top 10 player at their position on the entire team. Heck our punter is probably our best player.

Parsons is the best and would be top 10.
Diggs is probably second and would have to be top 10.
Martin is probably a top 10 guard or at the very least close.
Dak is close to top 10.
D Flaw at times could be considered top 10.
Schultz could be considered top 10.

That is it 6 guys that you could argue are top 10 at their position. Don't give me Smith he is not a top 10 guy anymore. He is unreliable and just hanging on. Don't give me Cooper or Lamb. There are plenty of guys out there producing at much higher rates. If you say Zeke then you are insane. You can make excuses all you want for any of these guys about scheme and coaching but at the end of the day it is what it is.

 

[Haimerej]

I certainly don't agree with the delight many on this forum take in rubbing the team's failure in the faces of their supposed fellow fans.

I'll just comment on this-

This happens because of bad faith accusations lobbed against good faith arguments. It's the hater/homer label. Like it or not, people who are fans of the same team don't see things the same way. When someone gives their good faith interpretation of a play and someone accuses them of hate/homerism and makes it personal, you're going to have a certain amount of animosity. For that reason, you can't be surprised at the crowing when one side is vindicated.

 

[Reid1boys]

You missed the entire point of my post. It’s because it’s the Dallas Cowboys. Instant stardom. The Kansas City Chiefs could go out and win the next five Super Bowls and they still would not have the star status as someone who walks in and puts on a Cowboys helmet.

that aint changing and it isnt Jerry's fault.

Could you imagine if it was the Cowboys that lost to the Chiefs and kicked off into the endzone?
Could you imagine if the Cowboys lost to the Rams because they let Cooper Kupp run unimpeded down the field to catch that long pass at the end of the game.

All we would be hearing about for the next three days is our lack of discipline, lack of defensive coordinator, lack of head coach for not kicking short of the endzone.
You wont hear any of it... because it isnt the Cowboys, and if it isnt the Cowboys, its not as relevant.