Impressions of draft class after 2 games

[perrykemp]

My impressions of the draft class after 2 preseason games -- I'm expecting no less than 3 Hall of Fame Players and at least 2-3 other multi-time Pro-Bowl/All Pro players.

I can totally tell at this point.

 

[pancakeman]

Would you rather have had Eifert at 18 and Fred in the second (assuming he fell that far) or Fred, Escobar AND TWill?

That's both too early and too hypothetical to answer.

 

[CooterBrown]

Frederick- Finally, a center that a line can be built around. He will start every NFL game he ever plays in.
Escobar. Yep. Bad at blocking. As his bench reps indicated, not yet strong enough. He will get better as he gets stronger.
I see Williams as Austin's replacement. Not a lot of reps this year, moving primarily to the outside next year. Beasley and Harris will get more field time than Williams this year.
Wilcox. Potential, potential, potential. Has all the tools and the attitude to be great. Another next-year starter guy.
Webb has looked bad, but he won't be the starting punt returner, and after that muff on a fair-catch, probably won't get another chance at that. His CB play has been pretty suspect, but slot corner is the hardest to learn and play. I think he gets a red-shirt year. On the 53, but inactive most of the time.
Holloman. Personally, I think McGee has more upside than Holloman. In the limited time I've seen him, McGee looks faster on the field and this defense relies on speed to the ball. Holloman's interception was a great catch and return, but by his own admission it was because he was in the wrong place at the right time. Not saying Holloman was a bad pick, but as a late-rounder he is a bubble guy who could be replaced by an UDFA. With Durant, Sims, Lee, and Carter as locks, that doesn't leave much room for too many linebackers. If they choose to keep Albright, Holloman might be a drafted player who doesn't make the 53.

 

[Eskimo]

Easily Eifert and Frederick.

I do not think it is a fair comparison since we still do not know if we would have gotten Fred with the second rounder. I think you should have to assume that you have to give up the 3rd rounder to move up and get Frederick. That is the information the Cowboys were acting on - the belief Frederick would not stay on the board that much longer.

So the proper comparision is:

Eifert and Frederick

OR

Frederick, Escobar, Terance Williams and JJ Wilcox

 

[Risen Star]

I do not think it is a fair comparison since we still do not know if we would have gotten Fred with the second rounder. I think you should have to assume that you have to give up the 3rd rounder to move up and get Frederick. That is the information the Cowboys were acting on - the belief Frederick would not stay on the board that much longer.

So the proper comparision is:

Eifert and Frederick

OR

Frederick, Escobar, Terance Williams and JJ Wilcox

You have no way of knowing that.

The question posed was Eifert and Frederick or Frederick, Escobar and Williams. I would take Eifert and Frederick and I don't even think it's close.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

You have no way of knowing that.

The question posed was Eifert and Frederick or Frederick, Escobar and Williams. I would take Eifert and Frederick and I don't even think it's close.

No one knows if Frederick would of even been available on our pick in the second. It was a dumb question to begin with and just another petty thing for people to squabble over.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Too Soon!!!! You need a working crystal ball to give any decent opinion on this year's draftees.

How about reviewing the 2011 or 2012 drafts? This might be worth a separate thread if there isn't one out there already...

Even doing 2012 is a bit too soon
Morris Claiborne - odds are he will at least be good,,, worth a tip top draft pick? not sure
Tyrone Crawford - not enough body of work to tell, but he looks the part
Kyle Wilber - not enough body of work to tell, but he looks the part
Matt Johnson - not enough body of work to tell and he appears to be injury prone
Danny Coale - who?
James Hanna - has shown flashes,,, maybe
Caleb McSurdy - who?
Cole Beasley- has shown flashes but appears to be injury prone
Ronald Leary- not enough body of work to tell, but he looks the part
Lance Dunbar- not enough body of work to tell, but he looks the part
Ben Bass- not enough body of work to tell, but he looks the part

2012 could be anywhere from average to exceptional,,, trending towards "good" and the UDFAs help a little

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2011

Round 1: Tyron Smith, OT, USC. odds are he will at least be good,,, worth a top draft pick? Dunno,,, trending Good

Round 2: Bruce Carter, LB, UNC not enough body of work to tell but odds are he will at least be good,,, trending 'Great'

Round 3: DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma, zero complaints with DeMarco, trending 'Great' if he can stay relatively healthy

Round 4: David Arkin, OG, Missouri State. Ay Caramba, BUST

Round 5: Josh Thomas, CB, Buffalo Ay Caramba, BUST

Round 6: Dwayne Harris, WR, East Carolina not enough body of work to tell but he's trending 'Decent'

Round 7A: Shaun Chapas, FB, Georgia Ay Caramba, BUST

Round 7B: Bill Nagy, C, Wisconsin Ay Caramba, BUST

UDFAs
Phillip Tanner- Not bad, maybe
Kevin Kowalski- has shown flashes but appears to be injury prone
Alex Albright- has shown flashes,,, maybe

at the time, the Bleacher Report gave us a C+,,, even though the busts are pulling this draft class down as a whole, I'm thinking more B+ because of the 3 good-to-great players + Harris

 

[Risen Star]

No one knows if Frederick would of even been available on our pick in the second. It was a dumb question to begin with and just another petty thing for people to squabble over.

Nobody knows that either but he gave a hypothetical that could have happened. And I answered.

What's the problem?

 

[Eskimo]

Nobody knows that either but he gave a hypothetical that could have happened. And I answered.

What's the problem?

The problem is that the Cowboys drafted Frederick at 31 because they believed he would not last until #48. If they knew he would last until #48 then they could have felt free to choose someone else at #31 or even have felt free to trade down again into the 40s and pick up another 3rd rounder. They drafted Fred there because they thought they had to. So I think it is realistic that if they took Eifert at #18 they would have felt the need to trade up to get Frederick as he was "the last of the Mohicans". The expected price would be around a 3rd rounder to make a big move up from the mid second round.

So I really think that was the decision they were facing: Eifert and trade up for Frederick vs. Trade down to Frederick, keep the second rounder, acquire an extra pick in the 3rd round.

That is why I think the player packages being compared are unrealistic. We would have traded up for Frederick since he was essential to our offseason plan of solidifying the interior OL.

 

[cowboys2233]

That's nothing new.

Exactly, how is that different than before? They don't, nor did they ever, try to determine what a person intended to do. That would be silly.

 

[iceman117]

If Escobar is a bust that will be horrible. They spent three 2nd-round picks on TEs over the past 5-6 years.

Fasano was longer than 6 years ago... But your point is correct, they have basically wasted the first two (Fasano and Bennett) so like you I feel if Escobar doesn't pan out it will be horrendous especially because in all 3 cases we could have used help in other areas, especially this year on the online or Dline, so Gavin really has to work out

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

I'm excited about a bunch of the young talent on this team.

The only picks I have a problem with is Escobar and Claiborne in the past 2 drafts.

There's no telling what Escobar is capable of, but how was TE a big need for this team?

And with Claiborne, I'm not sold on his ball skills and athleticism. Watching him in college, I thought he had loose ankles. He slips alot and I don't know how they can correct that.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'm excited about a bunch of the young talent on this team.

The only picks I have a problem with is Escobar and Claiborne in the past 2 drafts.

There's no telling what Escobar is capable of, but how was TE a big need for this team?

And with Claiborne, I'm not sold on his ball skills and athleticism. Watching him in college, I thought he had loose ankles. He slips alot and I don't know how they can correct that.

If you want to nitpick his flaws that's fine. But Claiborne was considered the best CB prospect since Primetime and CB is one of the 3-4 most important positions on the team. I'm not mad about the Claiborne pick because there's nothing wrong with trading up for a franchise QB, LT, CB or pass rusher. I'm mad about Escobar because we keep spending high picks on backup TEs when we've never shown that we are willing to utilize them properly. I don't understand the logic.

 

[Risen Star]

The problem is that the Cowboys drafted Frederick at 31 because they believed he would not last until #48. If they knew he would last until #48 then they could have felt free to choose someone else at #31 or even have felt free to trade down again into the 40s and pick up another 3rd rounder. They drafted Fred there because they thought they had to. So I think it is realistic that if they took Eifert at #18 they would have felt the need to trade up to get Frederick as he was "the last of the Mohicans". The expected price would be around a 3rd rounder to make a big move up from the mid second round.

So I really think that was the decision they were facing: Eifert and trade up for Frederick vs. Trade down to Frederick, keep the second rounder, acquire an extra pick in the 3rd round.

That is why I think the player packages being compared are unrealistic. We would have traded up for Frederick since he was essential to our offseason plan of solidifying the interior OL.

I was answering the hypothetical. One that neither you, I or the Cowboys know would have been possible. Countless times in the past has this front office been surprised players were still on the board at their pick. They aren't exactly draft savants.

It was just a question of if you could have either, which would you want?

Eifert and Frederick, hands down.