Ingram re-signs with Saints *merged*

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Yeah, not the same to me though. We double down on our convictions. We don't get paid to know what's going on. We know only a handful of posters actually know "sources" Those guys act like they get every thing right out of the front office, then when it goes bust it becomes their opinions.

I agree ... Even with my inside source I usually don't post for a few reasons ..one is because I don't want to lose faith / trust of my source.. Two is because even when he hears and talks about things .. The winds change frequently and I don't feel like hearing the abuse here if I post .. So with that being said ..Broadus should just check his sources a little more and stop stating his opinions as facts.. Usually when he does I get with mine and 95% of the time he just chuckles ..but hey it's still entertaining to read
 

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I agree ... Even with my inside source I usually don't post for a few reasons ..one is because I don't want to lose faith / trust of my source.. Two is because even when he hears and talks about things .. The winds change frequently and I don't feel like hearing the abuse here if I post .. So with that being said ..Broadus should just check his sources a little more and stop stating his opinions as facts.. Usually when he does I get with mine and 95% of the time he just chuckles ..but hey it's still entertaining to read

That's the sad part. If you state you know some one, you catch grief. Like all NFL people/players don't mingle with any common folk.
 

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
Saints and RB Mark Ingram have reached agreement on a four-year deal, per league source.

Regardless of what you think about him, he never claims to know what is going on in the Saints organization and I think his prediction was based on Ingram being on the market. What he thought would happen and what did aren't mutually exclusive.
 

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Broaddus should have the benefit of he obvious caveat here that our interest only mattered if the player made it to free agency.

I'm glad Ingram is off the table, anyway.
 

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Mathews is more than decent. Talent wise he is one of the better backs in the league. He can't stay healthy though.

Yeah, I think he's decent. Not sure the Cowboys have any interest, but it's like this there aren't any backs out there without "warts". Either they're injury prone, or slow, or old or whatever. Even the guys that are expected to get the top bucks have issues.
 

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I know a lot of people harp on the Marinelli thing and those who defend Broaddus say that everyone points to that and that he did state it was hit gut feeling... and I understand that. However, what bugs me about it is twofold:

1. Broaddus has been wrong about a good bit of stuff and like I've already said, he states guesses like fact.

2. Secondly, it isn't like Marinelli going to Tampa was the logical conclusion to the ordeal. It was highly unlikely, IMO and his guess was grounded in extremely linear logic:

Marinelli and Lovie really like each other
- and - Marinelli wouldn't coach in Chicago without Lovie - and - now Lovie is coach in Tampa - and - Marinelli is in final year of contract in Dallas - so - Marinelli will go coach in Tampa with Lovie.

It is elementary logic. Not much complex thought there, and frankly it was less than stellar deduction by Broaddus.

I wrote before the end of the season that I didn't see anyway that Marinelli would leave Dallas for Tampa based on a few things:

*Lovie already had a good friend at defensive coordinator in Leslie Frazier. I didn't see Lovie letting Frazier go after one year to hire Rod.
*Based on that, Marinelli would have to go in as a defensive line coach or some kind of special consultant, either of which would have been a demotion for him to take.
*Marinelli had talked about the mystique of coaching in Dallas and to leave the Cowboys to go coach in Tampa would be a difficult enough decision without even talking about a demotion, or even a lateral move. The Cowboys take care of their players and their coaches. The team is extremely high profile and frankly, is at the pinnacle of professional football along with a few other franchises.
*Rod has talked before about who you coach with and how important it is to him. Since he first came to Dallas, he has been talking about how much he enjoys coaching with Jason Garrett, who runs things tight and disciplined just like Marinelli likes. Rod knows he's with a really good coaching staff currently and it would make no sense for him to go to Tampa, even if he does admire Lovie. He admires Garrett and enjoys coaching with him.

So, even back before Marinelli made the decision to stay, it seemed pretty plain to me that something would have to go pretty wrong for Rod to want to go to Tampa instead of staying in Dallas. IOW, it was a longshot that he would leave Dallas.

So, Broaddus was taking what I considered to be a simplistic view of the situation and going against what common sense said would happen, and he was doing so with an arrogance that said he knew something that everyone else did not... which of course isn't true, and that was confirmed when there was absolutely no hesitation on Marinelli's part to resign in Dallas to stay under Garrett.

So Broaddus whiffed on that. He whiffed so bad that we are all talking about it months later. That's what happens when you take something with a slim chance of happening... you talk like you know it IS going to happen... and you convince a ton of people who don't know any better that the illogical is going to happen.

Is it any wonder that people like me, @xwalker and others got a little tired of wading through post after post of fans saying things like, "Who are we going to get to be the defensive coordinator?" or "I think we should move back to a 3-4 defense now that Marinelli is leaving". These posts were happening, in large part, because of Broaddus. How do we know this? Because every time someone would try to talk to those posters and tell them that in all likelihood Marinelli was going to re-up with Dallas... they would point to Broaddus and say that he said Marinelli was as good as gone.

Maybe it isn't fair that so many give Bryan a hard time about missing on the Marinelli thing... but man, was it irritating.

Perhaps Broaddus will be more careful with low hanging fruit and his off the wall guesses.
 

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I know a lot of people harp on the Marinelli thing and those who defend Broaddus say that everyone points to that and that he did state it was hit gut feeling... and I understand that. However, what bugs me about it is twofold:

1. Broaddus has been wrong about a good bit of stuff and like I've already said, he states guesses like fact.

2. Secondly, it isn't like Marinelli going to Tampa was the logical conclusion to the ordeal. It was highly unlikely, IMO and his guess was grounded in extremely linear logic:
Marinelli and Lovie really like each other - and - Marinelli wouldn't coach in Chicago without Lovie - and - now Lovie is coach in Tampa - and - Marinelli is in final year of contract in Dallas - so - Marinelli will go coach in Tampa with Lovie.

It is elementary logic. Not much complex thought there, and frankly it was less than stellar deduction by Broaddus.

I wrote before the end of the season that I didn't see anyway that Marinelli would leave Dallas for Tampa based on a few things:

*Lovie already had a good friend at defensive coordinator in Leslie Frazier. I didn't see Lovie letting Frazier go after one year to hire Rod.
*Based on that, Marinelli would have to go in as a defensive line coach or some kind of special consultant, either of which would have been a demotion for him to take.
*Marinelli had talked about the mystique of coaching in Dallas and to leave the Cowboys to go coach in Tampa would be a difficult enough decision without even talking about a demotion, or even a lateral move. The Cowboys take care of their players and their coaches. The team is extremely high profile and frankly, is at the pinnacle of professional football along with a few other franchises.
*Rod has talked before about who you coach with and how important it is to him. Since he first came to Dallas, he has been talking about how much he enjoys coaching with Jason Garrett, who runs things tight and disciplined just like Marinelli likes. Rod knows he's with a really good coaching staff currently and it would make no sense for him to go to Tampa, even if he does admire Lovie. He admires Garrett and enjoys coaching with him.

So, even back before Marinelli made the decision to stay, it seemed pretty plain to me that something would have to go pretty wrong for Rod to want to go to Tampa instead of staying in Dallas. IOW, it was a longshot that he would leave Dallas.

So, Broaddus was taking what I considered to be a simplistic view of the situation and going against what common sense said would happen, and he was doing so with an arrogance that said he knew something that everyone else did not... which of course isn't true, and that was confirmed when there was absolutely no hesitation on Marinelli's part to resign in Dallas to stay under Garrett.

So Broaddus whiffed on that. He whiffed so bad that we are all talking about it months later. That's what happens when you take something with a slim chance of happening... you talk like you know it IS going to happen... and you convince a ton of people who don't know any better that the illogical is going to happen.

Is it any wonder that people like me, @xwalker and others got a little tired of wading through post after post of fans saying things like, "Who are we going to get to be the defensive coordinator?" or "I think we should move back to a 3-4 defense now that Marinelli is leaving". These posts were happening, in large part, because of Broaddus. How do we know this? Because every time someone would try to talk to those posters and tell them that in all likelihood Marinelli was going to re-up with Dallas... they would point to Broaddus and say that he said Marinelli was as good as gone.

Maybe it isn't fair that so many give Bryan a hard time about missing on the Marinelli thing... but man, was it irritating.

Perhaps Broaddus will be more careful with low hanging fruit and his off the wall guesses.

The guy is definitely having to lie in a bed of his own making. When you over talk discussions on the radio and tell people "they need to listen to you" on a tidbit, you need to be right.

The blowback isn't unearned. I just think the guys not responsible for the NO side of the equation. He was obviously talking about a VFA scenario here.
 

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The guy is definitely having to lie in a bed of his own making. When you over talk discussions on the radio and tell people "they need to listen to you" on a tidbit, you need to be right.

The blowback isn't unearned. I just think the guys not responsible for the NO side of the equation. He was obviously talking about a VFA scenario here.

Well said, as usual idgit. His personality and running roughshod over other's like Nick and Mickey makes him a little difficult to listen to... and flat out intolerable when he can't get **** right.

As far as Ingram... you are 100% right. In this case, he shouldn't have to say it was contingent on Ingram hitting free agency at all. Clearly Broaddus was talking about the Cowboys liking Ingram and wasn't saying that he knew the Saints would not re-sign him.

Still, his sandpaper personality and know it all attitude have been planting these seeds for a while... and now look how his garden grows.
 

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Damn. Guy can't make a prediction w/o everyone getting all up in his case about being wrong. Wish I knew how to post the beating a dead horse animation lol

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I would go 7-8m on Murray.

4-5m base and add some incentives for games played, like 200k per game

He isn't taking incentives.You structure so it breaks out as 8 mill a year but is realistically 2 years at 16 mill with cap hits spread into 17 and 18
 

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He isn't taking incentives.You structure so it breaks out as 8 mill a year but is realistically 2 years at 16 mill with cap hits spread into 17 and 18

He might if he wants to stay. The difference has to be made up somewhere.
 
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