Insight to "Jerry's Meddling"

[CoachHodnett]

I know you guys and gals, like me, are worried about how our great owner seems to be showing his old face again (minus the sugery). The trumping of Mike Solari and hiring Hudson Houck instead. The possible hiring of Campo as secondary coach, and who knows what next.

I do have a possible angle that I don't think has been played yet and may be a bit comforting (in a wierd, futuristic sort of way).

Perhaps, Jerry has decided that Jason Garrett is the Head Coach of the 2009 Dallas Cowboys and beyond. Who are some coaches that Garrett has been around before? Houck...Campo... hmmm.... Maybe, just maybe in his own way, Jerry is trying to set up a staff that can accomodate our scheme (Grantham) and guys that Garrett would feel comfortable coaching with next season.

Not that I agree at all. I don't. I feel the current Head Coach should always have full control over three things at least: 1) His Staff, 2) His Scheme, and 3) The Players on the field. But this does give us an angle to talk about.

 

[windward]

I know you guys and gals, like me, are worried about how our great owner seems to be showing his old face again (minus the sugery). The trumping of Mike Solari and hiring Hudson Houck instead. The possible hiring of Campo as secondary coach, and who knows what next.

I do have a possible angle that I don't think has been played yet and may be a bit comforting (in a wierd, futuristic sort of way).

Perhaps, Jerry has decided that Jason Garrett is the Head Coach of the 2009 Dallas Cowboys and beyond. Who are some coaches that Garrett has been around before? Houck...Campo... hmmm.... Maybe, just maybe in his own way, Jerry is trying to set up a staff that can accomodate our scheme (Grantham) and guys that Garrett would feel comfortable coaching with next season.

Not that I agree at all. I don't. I feel the current Head Coach should always have full control over three things at least: 1) His Staff, 2) His Scheme, and 3) The Players on the field. But this does give us an angle to talk about.

I'm not sure Phillips was too torn up over the Houck hiring, considering their past together. His hiring over Solari was a real judgement call. Jerry has the final call as always and he made the decision.

Nobody here knows what Phillips thinks of Campo, so it's premature at this point to crucify Jerry for this.

and bottom line Jerry is not hiring bad coaches. These are damn good position coaches and possibly(I believe so) upgrades to their predecessors

 

[Chuck 54]

I'd love to see Campo hired...he got more out of a weak secondary than anyone I ever saw in Dallas...he was a great position coach, a very good coordinator, but a truly unsuccessful head coach....having him coaching the secondary is not a bad thing at all.

 

[cboyd]

we are looking at people that are proven at what they have done in the past.

Houck-Great offensive line coach

Grantham-Cleavland's defensive coordinator and Houston's defensive line coach, knows 3-4 defense. I know he was horrible as a defensive coordinator, but he knows how to coach defensive lines and that is what is asked to do here not too run our defense.

Dave Campo-pretty good defensive coach, knows how to coach the secondary, was a bad head coach. Once again he is not being asked to be head coach he is asked to teach our secondary how to play, which is a bonus because he has been a defensive coordinator, secondary coach and head coach in the league.

John Pagano- I don't know if he will be hired, but from the sounds of things Phillips wants to bring him here, just look at what he has done with the chargers linebackers they have been pretty good.

 

[silverbear]

I know you guys and gals, like me, are worried about how our great owner seems to be showing his old face again (minus the sugery). The trumping of Mike Solari and hiring Hudson Houck instead. The possible hiring of Campo as secondary coach, and who knows what next.

I do have a possible angle that I don't think has been played yet and may be a bit comforting (in a wierd, futuristic sort of way).

Perhaps, Jerry has decided that Jason Garrett is the Head Coach of the 2009 Dallas Cowboys and beyond. Who are some coaches that Garrett has been around before? Houck...Campo... hmmm.... Maybe, just maybe in his own way, Jerry is trying to set up a staff that can accomodate our scheme (Grantham) and guys that Garrett would feel comfortable coaching with next season.

Not that I agree at all. I don't. I feel the current Head Coach should always have full control over three things at least: 1) His Staff, 2) His Scheme, and 3) The Players on the field. But this does give us an angle to talk about.

And you're completely sure that Wade isn't on board with every one of the moves the Cowboys have made?? It isn't remotely possible that he and Jerry are just on the same page??

 

[CowboyJeff]

One thing we conveniently forget about Campo:

Most of his years here in Dallas as defensive coordinator were spent with Deion Sanders on the team. When a single DB takes away half the field, that makes any coach look good. If Campo and Lacewell are both back lobbying for players, say hello to Dwayne Goodrich part deux.

 

[windward]

One thing we conveniently forget about Campo:

Most of his years here in Dallas as defensive coordinator were spent with Deion Sanders on the team. When a single DB takes away half the field, that makes any coach look good. If Campo and Lacewell are both back lobbying for players, say hello to Dwayne Goodrich part deux.

Well now we have to deal with these pesky little things we call "facts". From 1990 to 1994 Campo was Dallas' secondary coach, when Deion Sanders was not, repeat, not on the Dallas Cowboys ( secondary coach is the position he would have if hired, not DC. Kinda makes your Deion Sanders reference useless, huh? Thought so.)

In four out of those five seasons Campo fielded top ten pass defenses. Now unless Deion Sanders was "taking away half the field" for the Cowboys while an Atlanta Falcon and San Francisco 49er( as great as Deion was, I'd guess that just might have been too much to pull off), You might just want to give Campo a teensy weensy bit of credit for being a good secondary coach.

 

[silverbear]

Well now we have to deal with these pesky little things we call "facts". From 1990 to 1994 Campo was Dallas' secondary coach, when Deion Sanders was not, repeat, not on the Dallas Cowboys ( secondary coach is the position he would have if hired, not DC. Kinda makes your Deion Sanders reference useless, huh? Thought so.)

In four out of those five seasons Campo fielded top ten pass defenses. Now unless Deion Sanders was "taking away half the field" for the Cowboys while an Atlanta Falcon and San Francisco 49er( as great as Deion was, I'd guess that just might have been too much to pull off), You might just want to give Campo a teensy weensy bit of credit for being a good secondary coach.

Good insight, my windy friend... now, can you give us some idea how his defenses have fared since he left Dallas??

 

[windward]

Good insight, my windy friend... now, can you give us some idea how his defenses have fared since he left Dallas??

Can do.

He was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland in 2003 and 2004. From 2005 to 2007 he was Jacksonville's secondary coach. Here are their rankings in yardage yards per attempt and tds allowed

2003
ypg ypa tds
7th 7th 3rd
2004
ypg ypa tds
5th 4th 13th
2005
ypg ypa tds
7th 7th 22nd
2006
ypg ypa tds
10th 10th 2nd
2007
ypg ypa tds
15th 11th 11th

Pretty solid with only one out of nine possible rankings in this scenario where they were not in the league's upper half.

Oh yeah,no Deion Sanders, either.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

I'd love to see Campo hired...he got more out of a weak secondary than anyone I ever saw in Dallas...he was a great position coach, a very good coordinator, but a truly unsuccessful head coach....having him coaching the secondary is not a bad thing at all.

Houck is one of the very best O-line coaches in the NFL. That's a nonissue.

Campo, while a terrible HC -- but we were in salary cap hell to be fair -- is an excellent secondary coach and a good DC as well.

This is much to do about nothing.

 

[JakeCamp12]

To me Campo has that loserville mentality, bend don't break. I want Thurman in here to show the DBs how to get the ball. I want game changing plays that turn momentum around. I want someone to light a fire under Roy's butt and give the DBs the confidence to go for the ball and know the guy behind him will be there to cover him if he misses....

 

[Redball Express]

To me Campo has that loserville mentality, bend don't break. I want Thurman in here to show the DBs how to get the ball. I want game changing plays that turn momentum around. I want someone to light a fire under Roy's butt and give the DBs the confidence to go for the ball and know the guy behind him will be there to cover him if he misses....

I want a secondary that can confuse their coverages and confuse the QB and force him to hold the ball too long and give the defense that extra second to get the sack and force the ball to bethrown up out of desparation.

Or at worst, thrown out of bounds and turn the ball over on downs.

I like turnovers as well as the next guy, but that was not our problem defensively. It was allowing teams to isolate Roy Williams or Jacques Reeves in coverage and pick on them for big plays to keep drives alive and make big plays in the redzone.

I don't think what you want is risky play in the secondary.

What you want is solid play in the secondary and not giving up the big plays in the center of the field like we did all year.

I do believe Thurman could be successful, but if I had to choose, I'd take Campo instead. He's coached in so many more successful, high pressure games than Thurman.

That's just me.

Redball Express

 

[CowboyJeff]

Well now we have to deal with these pesky little things we call "facts". From 1990 to 1994 Campo was Dallas' secondary coach, when Deion Sanders was not, repeat, not on the Dallas Cowboys ( secondary coach is the position he would have if hired, not DC. Kinda makes your Deion Sanders reference useless, huh? Thought so.)

In four out of those five seasons Campo fielded top ten pass defenses. Now unless Deion Sanders was "taking away half the field" for the Cowboys while an Atlanta Falcon and San Francisco 49er( as great as Deion was, I'd guess that just might have been too much to pull off), You might just want to give Campo a teensy weensy bit of credit for being a good secondary coach.

Welcome to the forum, Dave Campo. Glad to see you're doing well in the offseason. One thing you forgot to mention when you were telling us about your padded resume as secondary coach (and conveniently leaving off your jobs as DC or HC) - pass rush. In three of the years you mentioned (1992-1994), the Cowboys had Charles Haley as a defensive end. I'm sure you are well aware with your second-to-none coaching resume that a great pass rush makes any secondary look good.

 

[Cowboys22]

Sorry, but I have to do this. Jerry cannot "meddle". He is the GM, do some of you forget that? GMs are responsible for hiring the coaching staff. Sure, they get input from the head coach and I'm sure JJ is talking to everyone before a hire is made. Thats not meddling, that called acting as the GM of the Cowboys!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It depends. If Wade really doesn't want Houck or Campo and Jerry forces his hand anyway, then that is a crappy thing to do. But it's likely that Wade may want Solari/insert DB coach first, but doesn't object to having Houck or Campo.

Plus, Wade is supposed to oversee the defensive side and Garrett is supposed to oversee the offensive side. I think I would be more willing to get the O-Line coach that Garrett wants than Wade (it's not like Houck is a bum). As far as Campo goes, we've tried to get Emmitt Thomas (Wade's choice), but the Falcons won't let him go. And while I'm not a fan of Campo, he was successful as a defensive backs coach in Dallas.




YAKUZA

 

[Cowboys22]

It depends. If Wade really doesn't want Houck or Campo and Jerry forces his hand anyway, then that is a crappy thing to do. But it's likely that Wade may want Solari/insert DB coach first, but doesn't object to having Houck or Campo.

Plus, Wade is supposed to oversee the defensive side and Garrett is supposed to oversee the offensive side. I think I would be more willing to get the O-Line coach that Garrett wants than Wade (it's not like Houck is a bum). As far as Campo goes, we've tried to get Emmitt Thomas (Wade's choice), but the Falcons won't let him go. And while I'm not a fan of Campo, he was successful as a defensive backs coach in Dallas.




YAKUZA

I don't disagree one bit but its cannot be meddling for a GM to hire a coach he thinks is best for the team. I think alot of people look at Jerry as just the owner and forget he is the GM. Have you ever heard anyone accuse any other GM of meddling. No, because its their job to hire coaches. GMs and Head coaches butt heads and disagree all the time but thats not called meddling when the GM wins out. Call it destructive decision making, bad judgement, whatever, but my point is Jerry cannot ever "meddle" because its his job as GM to hire the coaches and pick the players.

 

[jterrell]

Were we even allowed to speak to Solari?

We are merely trying to fill out a staff. Soemthing BP had a rough time doing when he had full control.

Houck and Campo may be back to the future hires but they are Super Bowl level assistants.

The Secondary Coach here with Deion was Mike Zimmer. Zimmer and Deion love each other.

Campo was a quite fine defensive mind who was too laid back... that will fit wonderfully with the laid back Wade.

 

[Alexander]

Were we even allowed to speak to Solari?

Solari was fired. There was nothing holding back an interview. He had already interviewed in New York.

We are merely trying to fill out a staff. Soemthing BP had a rough time doing when he had full control.

We were filling out Garrett's staff. That is obvious.

I don't quite understand this two headed model, but if Jones thinks does, more power to him.

I have never seen anything like it before, except in Washington and it is clear how that had to be blown up.

Campo was a quite fine defensive mind who was too laid back... that will fit wonderfully with the laid back Wade.

I disagree. You need balance. One of the reasons Owens didn't do well is that Todd Haley was an extension of Coach Parcells. I think the secondary needs their own "Jason Garrett" if you will. Gray and Thurman were both former players who can speak to the players on their level. That is what made Bowles somewhat effective. It is also one of the reasons why there was at least an attempt made to extend him and also why the players liked having him.

I don't know if Gray or Thurman were realistic due to their contract situations, but it just appears we (meaning Jones) made a fairly selfish call by bringing back someone both he and Garrett are comfortable with. Campo was also under contract, but for all purposes is being let go by Del Rio. I would feel better about this had we tried with Thurman. And what what I have read, we didn't.

 

[khiladi]

Welcome to the forum, Dave Campo. Glad to see you're doing well in the offseason. One thing you forgot to mention when you were telling us about your padded resume as secondary coach (and conveniently leaving off your jobs as DC or HC) - pass rush. In three of the years you mentioned (1992-1994), the Cowboys had Charles Haley as a defensive end. I'm sure you are well aware with your second-to-none coaching resume that a great pass rush makes any secondary look good.

How does that explain his stint as secondary coaches with other teams?

 

[cowboyed]

It depends. If Wade really doesn't want Houck or Campo and Jerry forces his hand anyway, then that is a crappy thing to do. But it's likely that Wade may want Solari/insert DB coach first, but doesn't object to having Houck or Campo.

Plus, Wade is supposed to oversee the defensive side and Garrett is supposed to oversee the offensive side. I think I would be more willing to get the O-Line coach that Garrett wants than Wade (it's not like Houck is a bum). As far as Campo goes, we've tried to get Emmitt Thomas (Wade's choice), but the Falcons won't let him go. And while I'm not a fan of Campo, he was successful as a defensive backs coach in Dallas.




YAKUZA

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their arses when they hopped. Why is Jerry all of a sudden meddling? Who brought Stewart with him? Wade. Who actually called Houck? Wade. Who was interviewing at the college games? Not only Jerry, but Wade as well.

Jones is the GM and like most GMs they have a say so in personnel decisions. At least he wasn't like Chargers GM Smith who fired Shottenheimer after going 14-2.