Interesting Nuggets of Info on Offensive Scheme Last Season

[cern]

Of course.

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[khiladi]

Dude what are you saying. You had an issue with the article saying one of Daks strength was reading the defense quickly. I am simply informing you that you’re taking that phrase outs of context. The whole article was about how the offense could improve with Moore if he addressed the fundamental issues that were present under Linehan.

The segment relating to a lack of RPO and play action passing emphasized how Dak should be used in these ways more often because he’s been his best when doing so (statistics backed).

The nature of play action and RPO style plays allow the quarterback to get a quick read on the DE, S, LB and are in a position to make a quick decision. This is the context that the author illustrated Dak’s quick reading of the defense. NOT in the the traditional drop back way.

Also, can people stop using that freakin Denver game week 2 of his sophomore year as a tell-all of his game?

It was literally the only bad game he had the first half of the season, and by the way, the whole team had a bad game. Everyone was flat, it wasn’t like the team was playing great and Dak was holding us back. It was a bad game as a team and after that Dak had the gutsy Cardinals game and then three straight 3 passing td games. Just a bad game for a young Qb and team not some pivot in schematics. In fact, there’s NEVER a pivot in schematics, let alone a change after the Broncos game. And oh my god man do you watch this team? Dak is at his best in the spread, Linehan never only used it in the final 2 minutes and 4th quarter. Witten has said this multiple times. We all say this all the time on game threads.

And LMAOO the Eagles won a SB running RPO are you ok? The Rams run an offense heavily predicated on play action and RPO. Do you even know what an RPO is? If you think it’s read option QB running stuff then you’re confused, and mistaken.

The stats on the article show you how good Dak is on RPO and how little Linehan used them, what a smart guy he was.

You were off base a lot there man

If you mean RPO, run-pass option Dak was horribly at it. He didn’t do much of it at all in 2015 and in 2016 when Linehan gave him that option, he sucked at it, thus the Denver game as an example. You are now saying stop talking about 2016, when your referencing 2015 as how Dak was successful, which besides being an anomaly, was predicated on the fact like I said, Beasley getting single coverage. That ended in 2016 and Dak blew chunks.

The whole article is based on circular reasoning, because Adam threw it a whopping 11 times all last year at 9 YPC it somehow shows he as amazing at it. That’s the height of stupid reasoning. You don’t judge trends with such small numbers and like I says, that’s in part dictates by the fact Linehan pulled the reigns on RPOs. That 11 times more than probably reflects the facf tyr defense wasn’t at all threatened by Dak’s arm that they were stacking the box, so Dak decided to throw it to Cooper on the sideline route who netted some major yardage which obfuscates the numbers.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...ay-at-the-goal-line-and-it-was-the-right-call

And Dak has no quick decision making. He’s awful at it. There is no evidence whatsoever to argue he had some quick decision making skills when the while season, teams were playing man coverage on the outside with no safety over the top and Dak never audibked until Cooper yelled at him in the Eagles game that the DBs were sitting on the routes.

And like I said, Linehan went spread that much more, because that was an adjustment for Dak, who played his whole career in the spread. Linehan traditionally runs a drop back offense, which is what he ran primarily with Romo. These were adjustments for Dak, because of his limited capabilities.

If you mean read option, no offense runs it that much, except for one trick ponies and you never run a successful offense on it and it’s not predicated at all on which decision making. It’s based on one key defender, whether he bites or not.

 

[Roadtrip635]

The fact that Dak has been "conservative" as you put it has been a huge factor in the fact that the Cowboys have been so successful under his leadership. Not throwing the game losing pick is every bit as important as throwing the winning TD pass.

Which according to the facts...…………….Dak has lead his team to more late victories then anyone in the NFL since he has been here.

But certainly Dak could benefit from a more wide open, spread offense. Which its obvious to me, that he thrives in. He seems to blossom in the hurry up, spread formations where he is in full command. Not sure why the blunt minded Garrett fails to see this obvious trait.

I wasn't using conservative as an insult or degrade what Dak has accomplished. I know people get all excited over the gunslinger types, but they get you into trouble as much or more than being conservative will. Taking care of the ball and controlling TOP gives us the best chance to win. I was pointing out that it may be fine as a green rookie to drill that into his head, but for him to bloom into a top tier passer, he needs coaching to allow it to happen. Garrett has always had a conservative game plan, even pre-Dak days, we had some of those same problems with Romo. The offense would stall until we went into hurry up or Romo started making more and more changes at the LOS. The issue right now is that Dak doesn't haven't the experience Romo did to make those changes, yet, to overcome the conservative playcalling. We've all joked at some point that Romo was the real OC. Romo had a great 4th qtr/ late game rating too and like Dak, why weren't we doing that earlier in games? This isn't a Dak vs Romo thing, it's a why do we still wait to open things up thing? Why do we wait so long to make those adjustments or incorporate different schemes? Why don't we use more pre-snap motion, RPOs, motion routes, picks or bunch routes in our passing game? You don't want Zeke running into stacked boxes? Instead of bringing in 1, 2 or even 3 TEs that bring more defenders into the box, how about running from more spread formations that force defenses out of stacking the box?

 

[817Gill]

If you mean RPO, run-pass option Dak was horribly at it. He didn’t do much of it at all in 2015 and in 2016 when Linehan gave him that option, he sucked at it, thus the Denver game as an example. You are now saying stop talking about 2016, when your referencing 2015 as how Dak was successful, which besides being an anomaly, was predicated on the fact like I said, Beasley getting single coverage. That ended in 2016 and Dak blew chunks.

The whole article is based on circular reasoning, because Adam threw it a whopping 11 times all last year at 9 YPC it somehow shows he as amazing at it. That’s the height of stupid reasoning. You don’t judge trends with such small numbers and like I says, that’s in part dictates by the fact Linehan pulled the reigns on RPOs. That 11 times more than probably reflects the facf tyr defense wasn’t at all threatened by Dak’s arm that they were stacking the box, so Dak decided to throw it to Cooper on the sideline route who netted some major yardage which obfuscates the numbers.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...ay-at-the-goal-line-and-it-was-the-right-call

And Dak has no quick decision making. He’s awful at it. There is no evidence whatsoever to argue he had some quick decision making skills when the while season, teams were playing man coverage on the outside with no safety over the top and Dak never audibked until Cooper yelled at him in the Eagles game that the DBs were sitting on the routes.

And like I said, Linehan went spread that much more, because that was an adjustment for Dak, who played his whole career in the spread. Linehan traditionally runs a drop back offense, which is what he ran primarily with Romo. These were adjustments for Dak, because of his limited capabilities.

If you mean read option, no offense runs it that much, except for one trick ponies and you never run a successful offense on it and it’s not predicated at all on which decision making. It’s based on one key defender, whether he bites or not.

You have to be a troll dude lol you’re literally 100% wrong. Like sooooo off base it’s like you’ve never even watched the team lol they literally put the stats in the article. You literally are trying to dispute facts.

Way too much to unpack lol scroll through the thread, you might learn something from literally every other poster lol

 

[TheSkaven]

This is absurd. Dak has been an accurate quarterback, especially on the run, and consistently avoids throwing interceptions. This is the guy who broke the record for consecutive passes without an interception.

Nice try.

Following up with this today:



Case closed.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Just makes me mad remembering the lack of RPO

 

[links18]

Sounds like the columnist reads this board.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Fans have been saying these exact same things for more than a year well into Daks second season and its embarrassing jerry didnt dump Linehan far sooner.

Jerry is well into 2 1/2 decades of trying to prove he's the smartest person in the room and in his mind he still thinks he is, ( this is a carbon copy of someone else that comes to mind), and as long as he remains #1 in Forbes he'll be satisfied.

 

[jay94]

Exactly, he isn't Troy Aikman in the pocket but he is still a good pocket QB when given time. Last year our OL was terrible but when Dak has had time to throw from the pocket he has done it well.

Our line wasn't terrible, but wasn't as great as it was in the past. For the longest Dak was top 3 hold the ball as a qb in the league think at the end he moved out of the top 5. Lines can't block forever

 

[Kaiser]

Our line wasn't terrible, but wasn't as great as it was in the past. For the longest Dak was top 3 hold the ball as a qb in the league think at the end he moved out of the top 5. Lines can't block forever

Terrible may be too strong a word but they were bad. They gave up the 2nd most sacks in the league with a mobile QB behind them.

Williams was bad early and Sua-Filo was fine run blocking but awful in pass pro, which is why he got cut by the Titans Looney was average but a huge drop off in picking up blitzes from Frederick. Lael Collins was terrible playing Paul Alexander's techniques but rebounded under Columbo. Tyron and Martin were playing through injuries most of the year and average at times but bad at other times.

Maybe not terrible, but very poor. "Dak holds the ball too long" became a meme this year when you never heard it in the past. If you look at the plays where he was sacked, he was getting hit or flushed out of the pocket in 3 seconds or less. Some of that is on Dak, but most of it is on the OL and Linehan's plays that took time to develop on a team that didn't have the time to give.

 

[jay94]

I remember Dak's poor pocket presence causing a few sacks as well. He's far from innocent in the sacks given up.

 

[khiladi]

Following up with this today:



Case closed.

Obfuscation of stats, besides the fact Rodgers only played in SEVEN games in 2017. I mean closing the case based on such a huge error is pretty comical.

Further, percentages between Dak and guys like Rodgers are statistical obfuscation, because guys like Rodgers throw WAY MORE than Dak. Dak could throw one one long TD pass and in relation to the amount he throws overall, the percentage impact on his number would be a lot higher than it would for Rodgers. Rodgers throws about three games worth more passes than Dak.

You can turn around and say that Dak has more TDs over 20 plus yards than Rodgers because he faces way more stacked boxes to stop Zeke than Rodgers, who faces guys dropping back in coverage specifically taking away the deep pass. So Rodgers basically still puts the ball in the end zone in the 20s, when it’s much harder to THROW, unlike Dak, who either fumbles or has Zeke to hand the ball off to.

It’s also obfuscation because we ended up with plenty of field goals in the red zone, meaning his assumption is that we either came away with a TD running or throwing, but Dak had less TDs throwing because we ran it in. Of course it doesn’t take into account how many times Dak’s arm led to a fumble or a field goal or being taken out of the red zone for a FG.

No defense in the world treats Dak the same way they do Rodgers and this is nothing but blind homerism and reflects the fact they don’t know what they are talking about.

Dak homerism knows no bounds.

 

[kskboys]

Not to be missed is the fact that Dak is adept at reading D's. I don't argue w/ the people who claim he isn't because their arguments are just so generally lame, but this was known coming in.

However, no matter how well a QB can read a D, if WR's are not getting open it won't matter. Running toward the defender and just turning around will not get WR's open.