Irvin on The Fan

[noshame]

It would seem the force it to Dez stuff comes from the sidelines

 

[TwentyOne]

He wasn't saying we don't have a system because we lost. He was talking about the reason we need to sign a high level talent like Dez is because we are not a "system" team where you can just plug in anyone and the system takes care of the rest. Chip Kelley, Arians and BelliCheat has a system where they can get rid of Welker and DJackson and someone like Edelman and Macklin can come in and give similar production.

Can you really say if Dez is gone, anyone of our other WR can do the same?

I wasnt talking about Dez. I was posting about the exaggreration Irvin uses both in positive or negativ ways.

Irvin is known (and well deserved liked) for his emotional way not for his intellect. He should leave it that way.

 

[Brooksey]

Beasley was open OFTEN. The best QBs.....Manning and Brady...have feasted on using the smallish WRs in the middle of the field to move the chains. I was at a sports bar and I angered some of my friends by suggesting "something might be going on". I know Dez and Weeden both went to OSU. I know Dez is in the middle of contract negotiations and his "numbers" have not been great. But all I know is they were 0 for 10 at one point targeting Dez...and every time the ball went his way...there were 3 Cardinal defenders within a 3 yard radius on Dez. In fact....if you paid keen attention to the Rams game...our passing game did not get going until Witten yelled at Romo or the sidelines (can't remember) to essentially "look for someone else" as opposed to "forcing" the ball to Dez

Dude, none of those passes were catchable, Weeden was horrific. He couldn't hold Colt McCoy's or Mark Sanchez's jock Sunday.

 

[Dodger12]

Is Michael Irvin calling out Garrett's crappy offense now? You know it's bizarro world when this happens...

I heard Irvin get interviewed by WFAN New York last Monday after the Skins game and it caught me off guard how critical he was of the team and it had nothing to do with the loss. In essence, Irvin said he didn't see Dallas as a team was improving as the season wore on and if not for a handful of plays, they'd be .500 or less. That the same issues like fumbles kept showing up, as opposed to correcting them and getting in sync. He used New England as an example of a team that started out horribly and just improved week in, week out to where they are now.

I was going to start a thread but just didn't want too get into the same debate and bickering. The season will play itself out but right now, Irvin is on the money.

 

[xwalker]

Beasley was open OFTEN. The best QBs.....Manning and Brady...have feasted on using the smallish WRs in the middle of the field to move the chains. I was at a sports bar and I angered some of my friends by suggesting "something might be going on". I know Dez and Weeden both went to OSU. I know Dez is in the middle of contract negotiations and his "numbers" have not been great. But all I know is they were 0 for 10 at one point targeting Dez...and every time the ball went his way...there were 3 Cardinal defenders within a 3 yard radius on Dez. In fact....if you paid keen attention to the Rams game...our passing game did not get going until Witten yelled at Romo or the sidelines (can't remember) to essentially "look for someone else" as opposed to "forcing" the ball to Dez

Yes, it appeared that the receivers were covered because Weeden was throwing to the wrong receivers. Beasley was wide open at times. T. Williams was open at times but the times that Weeden threw it to him were the times that he was NOT open.

The Arizona loss was about 90% on Weeden, but there were some oddities in the play calling. The 4th down play call was terrible. The Cowboys are much better on short yardage when they spread out the defense. On one play Dez ran a 5 yard slant right at the DB that was 5 yards off the line. If Dez had slanted immediately off the line, he would have been wide open in the middle of the field.

They did seem to do something at the very end of the game which resulted in the Dez TD. I'm not sure exactly what they changed, but they did go with more of Dunbar at both RB and as a WR. The Cowboys don't intentionally run plays to the outside often, especially with Murray. Murray will bounce outside occasionally, but he almost always starts it as an inside run or a run that is tight just off tackle. A few more intentional outside runs might loosen up a defense in the middle. I think they tend to run more outside when Dunbar is in the game, but I think they should have Murray do that on occasion also. Arizona is really strong in the middle of their defense and the Cowboys Guards and Center couldn't get much push.

 

[xwalker]

I would right now fire Garrett and make Michael Irvin the head coach. I wouldn't even hesitate. Give Irvin a good defensive coordinator like Marinelli and an offensive coordinator like Linehan. Let Irvin set the overall strategy and motivate the troops.

When Michael Irvin speaks, players listen. And I guarantee you his pressers would be watched. No BS press conferences from him.

That would probably be great for about 2 weeks and then the players would tune him out. You have to have structure in football organizations and I don't see Irvin having the know-how to implement that.

 

[jobberone]

He is a WR in the HOF. He may not be right about all or any of this but I'd still listen to him.

 

[30yrheel]

We got outcoach ed again? You don't say!

 

[TheDude]

Lets not discount the horrendous Derick Dooley. He an unmitigated disaster. He is Lane Kiffen lite, He has won nothing and known for nothing other than being a coaches son. I really dislike Wade Wilson and Derick Dooley more than any player or coach on this team

Dooley is not a WR coach by trade. I think he offers nothing in terms of development

 

[vlad]

People have been saying this for years about our insistence on man over scheme because (at least people feel) that Garrett's been influenced by a HOF QB, RB, WR on the teams he was on doing just that...

Was hoping Linehan would change it and get the ball out faster. I know Dez isn't as explosive/fast as Demaryius Thomas, but that dude is making a mosnter living on these plays, and given what explosion Dez has shown us in the past you'd think they'd do something here.

 

[perrykemp]

Lets not discount the horrendous Derick Dooley. He an unmitigated disaster. He is Lane Kiffen lite, He has won nothing and known for nothing other than being a coaches son. I really dislike Wade Wilson and Derick Dooley more than any player or coach on this team

Dooley is not a WR coach by trade. I think he offers nothing in terms of development

Might be some merit to that. Dez's best season in 2012 came under the tutelage of Jimmy Robinson who had a very long track record of developing WR talent. Unfortunately he retired after the 2012 season and he was replaced by Dooley.

 

[dstovall5]

Mike is right.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't disagree with him. I've never really understood our desire to just line up man vs. man instead of employing more subterfuge ... other than the fact that Witten runs the worst "rubs' in the league.

I haven't questioned Linehan much since I've liked his balance this season, but he has not done a good job of taking advantage of aggressive defenses these past two weeks with plays that expose that aggression. Of course, it would have been different Sunday if he'd had a decent QB. There were open receivers, but Dallas didn't have a QB who could hit them.

Yeah I don't understand how we don't have a play just to beat the blitz. If it were me they would have Dez motion all the time. If its a blitz then have Dez go in motion into the backfield and run short hot routes in open spaces. We really do need more creativity. Heck I was excited when we ran a screen successfully for once. But that was short lived and we went back being conservative. I do blame Linehan. But also Garrett gets part of the blame as well. We have to change with whats working on offense these days and we aren't doing it.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

100% correct

 

[Cowboys606]

I can't honestly remember the last time the cowboys ran a bunch formation.

 

[Frosty]

Dude, none of those passes were catchable, Weeden was horrific. He couldn't hold Colt McCoy's or Mark Sanchez's jock Sunday.

Not joking around here....So how do the coaches help out a struggling backup QB....Do they just let him play thru it..or what?....All I no is, we all watched the Weeden choke.....so did the coaches .....and they were in position to do something about it.

 

[jobberone]

Derek Dooley is a Nick Saban protege and that's the connection with Garrett. He's a pretty smart guy who shouldn't have taken that TN job. That was a failure looking for a coach.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not joking around here....So how do the coaches help out a struggling backup QB....Do they just let him play thru it..or what?....All I no is, we all watched the Weeden choke.....so did the coaches .....and they were in position to do something about it.

What could they do once the game started? Other than bench him

 

[Frosty]

What could they do once the game started? Other than bench him

They get paid to make things happen....not to sit and say oh we'll, Coaches get paid to Coach..... Guess all the NFL 32 Head Coaches and there staff have no idea how to help out a struggling QB......uuuhm. Why do they need Coaches anyway,,,,,Coaching must be over rated....

 

[BigStar]

What is even more shocking was the continued use of bad route combinations especially on third down. Did they not learn from last week against Washington? Irvin is 100% correct. Where were the drag routes? Crossing routes? Bunch formations? WR screens? Use of screen passes were inexplicably ignored after gashing them big with Dunbar.

Linehan isn't impressing me at all. Garrett as Head Coach should have demanded all this be used more prominently.

Yeah, Linehan has had two stinkers the last two weeks, esp in regards to adjustments when teams have been blitzing. All those plays help the blitz, while also getting the ball into Dez and the other play maker's hands (TW,Witt, Esco). He is not overly passing, he is just not adjusting to shorter routes and creative methods you spoke of as a result of the increased blitzing and change in QB personnel, which is really perplexing. He was brought here to move Dez around and to negate the double/triple coverage and has almost given back to the '13 offense that sent Dez on outs, curls, and a deep cross when protection permitted (but never a deep ball). Better get back to some of his roots while maintaining the run first mentality that has shown to work against the weaker teams (outside of WAS).