Is Carr going to play with the huge cap hit?

[Frosty]

I believe the focus here was to address Dez Bryant before doing anything else. I think now the focus shifts to Brandon Carr. My original thoughts were there was no way he made it to September with the same contact, despite Jerry Jones suggesting that he will be here whether he takes a pay cut or not, I'm still not buying it.

For people who say that he isn't doing anything to impact the Cowboys, you've obviously not looked at his contract or don't understand the fact that you have to pay other players.

Training camp is going to move forward and if we go into September with all players healthy i.e. Claiborne, I think you'll see that Carr is cut if he doesn't take a pay cut.

Cutting him gives us significant cap savings that can be used to re-sign players like Crawford and potentially Hardy long term. Get's us an extra 8 million dollars this year, 7 million dollars next year, and 13 million dollars in 2017.

To suggest they have no leverage again shows that people don't know what leverage is.

Brandon Carr's base salary is 7.5 million dollars this year. Do you know how much he will be paid if he is cut in August or September? I'm guessing 3 to 3.5 million tops. And I doubt he gets any sort of long term security at that point in free agency. Taking a cut to 4 million per year, gives him some sort of security and incentive to want to stay with the team. It's the exact same reason Doug Free stayed.

What happens if Carr gets hurt in Camp or during a preseason game, can the Cowboys cut him, Force him to restructure or will the injury force the Cowboys to keep the contract as is?

 

[theogt]

Of course they have leverage. They are the only team willing to pay him more than he is worth. You think he's getting 8m a year anywhere else? 6m a year?

I expect as roster cut downs happen and jobs dry up the team will approach him with a modest cut but still higher than his current salary.

Or he can roll the dice and hope to get a big deal with the likes of the jaguars or Raiders or titans or insert non contender with huge cap space.

He knows they're not going to cut him, regardless of his high salary this year.

 

[Redball Express]

Yeah Carr could be in the cross hairs this week.

I think Claiborne's recovery is key.

If he can play at all..then that means Carr is gone.

The team has a high draft pick invested in Mo..not so with Carr.

I don't see us nursing two CBs that are under performing AND being over paid.

Scandrick possibly goes to CB in some defenses and our rookie Byron backs up the CBs and as 3rd CB in 3-4 WR sets.

Or Byron starts at CB and Scandrick stays as he is.

Marrinelli likes to mix coverages and personnel. This is another chip for him to play.

And yes..

I think the idea is that with Dez's mega deal..

the shoe must fall with Carr's deal.

It's the next domino that has to be re-shaped and I see the Cowboys offering an equitable salary reduction with options to regain it if he stays and plays up to expectations as they did with Free.

If he doesn't agree..he's free to go elsewhere.

But all the salary cap adjustments aren't done yet.

I also think we need to keep enough cap free going forward to possibly pickup a RB and re-sign some deals once TC is over and guys are identified like Crawford and Mincie as to whom we need going forward.

 

[DFWJC]

I thought the Cowboys would do something to reduce his cap hit this year but with only 10 days to camp nothing yet. Perhaps he refuses and the Cowboys have no choice. I don't think they want to cut him.

At this point it doesn't affect Dallas. Maybe Jerry's personal wallet, but not the Cowboys overall.

2016 is another story

 

[Nightman]

DAL needs to get at least a 4m pay cut if they do anything. That could mean signing TCrawfrod.

They should go after it just to maintain their leverage with everyone else

They played hardball with DWare, Hatcher, Murray, Melton and Hardy and Carr is worse than any of them

If he refused then cut him, save the entire 8m and sign a vet after camp cuts. He can't be much worse than 0 INTs

 

[conner01]

We already know he is not a long term solution, but that does not tell me the Cowboys are better without him in 2015.

I don't really know what they should do. Obviously, they should at least try to get him to take a pay cut, but if he does not, then it might be worth it to just pay him one more year considering that the team seems to be a legit contender this season.

Either way, I would wait and see what happens in training camp with the other CBs.

Try to get a pay cut but if it can't be done then you keep him. Carr for all his faults is still a solid cb. Not great but solid
The depth alone is worth the money
Just think if we cut Carr and another cb is injured? Too big a risk to me

 

[conner01]

DAL needs to get at least a 4m pay cut if they do anything. That could mean signing TCrawfrod.

They should go after it just to maintain their leverage with everyone else

They played hardball with DWare, Hatcher, Murray, Melton and Hardy and Carr is worse than any of them

If he refused then cut him, save the entire 8m and sign a vet after camp cuts. He can't be much worse than 0 INTs

There more to the position than ints

 

[Nightman]

There more to the position than ints

Carr doesn't do those things well either. He shows up, that's about it.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Tyler Patmon will be the golden child on this website in 3 months.

 

[rynochop]

Maybe Jerry's personal wallet, but not the Cowboys overall.y

I dont think that should be overlooked at all. Thats real money Jerry would be saving.

 

[DFWJC]

I dont think that should be overlooked at all. Thats real money Jerry would be saving.

True...
but like I said, unless Dallas needs more cap space than they already have this 2015 season, it makes no difference to the team. At least not this year.
Now yes, Jerry personally might like a few extra mil.
Good for him. But that's aside from the cap.

 

[xwalker]

I dont think that should be overlooked at all. Thats real money Jerry would be saving.

Cap space carries forward. They eventually use it.

 

[Bungarian]

If you want to keep him long term then add a year to his contract and guarantee part of the money while having him take a pay cut. He would make more in the end and Dallas gets cap space.

 

[Rockport]

I believe the focus here was to address Dez Bryant before doing anything else. I think now the focus shifts to Brandon Carr. My original thoughts were there was no way he made it to September with the same contact, despite Jerry Jones suggesting that he will be here whether he takes a pay cut or not, I'm still not buying it.

For people who say that he isn't doing anything to impact the Cowboys, you've obviously not looked at his contract or don't understand the fact that you have to pay other players.

Training camp is going to move forward and if we go into September with all players healthy i.e. Claiborne, I think you'll see that Carr is cut if he doesn't take a pay cut.

Cutting him gives us significant cap savings that can be used to re-sign players like Crawford and potentially Hardy long term. Get's us an extra 8 million dollars this year, 7 million dollars next year, and 13 million dollars in 2017.

To suggest they have no leverage again shows that people don't know what leverage is.

Brandon Carr's base salary is 7.5 million dollars this year. Do you know how much he will be paid if he is cut in August or September? I'm guessing 3 to 3.5 million tops. And I doubt he gets any sort of long term security at that point in free agency. Taking a cut to 4 million per year, gives him some sort of security and incentive to want to stay with the team. It's the exact same reason Doug Free stayed.

I don't think there's any chance Carr gets cut this year. CB's are way too valuable and it's not like Dallas has a stockpile of good corners. Scandrick is good but who else? The rookie? He's a rookie.

 

[Galian Beast]

What happens if Carr gets hurt in Camp or during a preseason game, can the Cowboys cut him, Force him to restructure or will the injury force the Cowboys to keep the contract as is?

If injured I believe you would be stuck with him.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't think there's any chance Carr gets cut this year. CB's are way too valuable and it's not like Dallas has a stockpile of good corners. Scandrick is good but who else? The rookie? He's a rookie.

Rookie start across the league. In fact I think it is probably more common that first round corners still start day one. Claiborne hasn't been great, but he should work at a 3rd corner.

 

[Rockport]

Rookie start across the league. In fact I think it is probably more common that first round corners still start day one. Claiborne hasn't been great, but he should work at a 3rd corner.

Sure he'll start but he will struggle like almost all rookie CB's do. Carr will be starting this year too.

 

[Galian Beast]

Sure he'll start but he will struggle like almost all rookie CB's do. Carr will be starting this year too.

When you take the savings from Carr and apply it to keeping the pass rush going not just this year but the next few years, it will pay dividends in the secondary.

 

[Rockport]

When you take the savings from Carr and apply it to keeping the pass rush going not just this year but the next few years, it will pay dividends in the secondary.

I'm only arguing that you said Carr may get cut this year. There's absolutely no chance of that happening.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yes, the list makes Carr's 8M salary not seem as out of whack as I thought. IMO, it's still too much, but looking at the list, Carr's market value is probably more than the 4M that I originally had in mind.

That all makes sense. Really the list shows how critical the position is and how teams are willing to pay (or overpay in some cases) players to fill that need. I agree Carr's market value is in that $4M range. Hopefully Stephen can convince Carr of that.