Is Cowboys-Eagls game in limbo? Fox & Time Turner contract stil up in air!

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Football fans in limbo but Fox broadcasts stay on
Posted: Jan 01, 2010 2:06 PM CST
Updated: Jan 01, 2010 4:26 PM CST
By RYAN NAKASHIMA
AP Business Writer
LOSANGELES (AP) - The Fox television network pulled back from the brink on Friday, allowing its signals to continue for millions of cable subscribers beyond a midnight deadline as it continued to seek higher fees for its programming.

The News Corp. broadcaster had threatened to force two cable companies - Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks - to drop the Fox broadcast signal from 14 of its TV stations and half a dozen of its cable channels as a contract expired at midnight Thursday.

Even as talks continued into Friday, the conciliatory stance made it appear a disruption would not occur - likely preserving access to the Sugar Bowl college football game (starting at 8:30 p.m. EST) and other programming for more than 6 million cable subscribers in New York, Los Angeles, Orlando, Fla., and other markets.

It was unclear how long the reprieve would last, however. That left fans looking forward to the Florida-Cincinnati bowl matchup in doubt about whether they would need to head to sports bars with a satellite TV hookup to cheer on their teams.

"It leaves some people up in limbo as to whether to leave their homes to watch the game," said Dan Beiley, 28, president of the Gotham Gators, a University of Florida alumni club in New York. "It's certainly unfortunate that it came to all this."


Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass, who earlier urged the companies to preserve TV access throughout the college football bowl season, said he was "pleased" at the decision to keep Fox programming on cable while talks went on.

Fox spokesman Scott Grogin said at about 1 p.m. EST Friday the companies were "still negotiating."

Time Warner Cable Inc. Chief Executive Glenn Britt said the ball was now in Fox's court.


"We've done everything we can to reach a fair agreement and now it's really up to Fox," Britt said in a statement Friday. "We hope they will agree to a deal that's reasonable for everyone."

Fox wants to be paid $1 per cable subscriber each month for the broadcast signal it now gives away freely from the stations it owns. Other Fox affiliate stations that are owned by different companies have already cut deals to be paid by cable operators for a fraction of that fee.

Fox says it can no longer give away its stations' signals because the network is facing stiff competition from cable channels, such as the Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN, which earn subscriber fees on top of advertising dollars.


That dual revenue stream allowed ESPN to outbid Fox for high-priced events such as the college football Bowl Championship Series - including the Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl that are now on Fox - from 2011 to 2013.

Time Warner Cable, in the meantime, has vowed to hold the line on cable bill increases, and said the vast of majority of viewers who went to its Web site, www.rolloverorgettough.com , urged it to "get tough" and fight back higher costs.

Neither side would fare well if signals were pulled in a dispute.


Fox would lose viewers and advertising dollars for some highly anticipated shows this month, including the 20th anniversary special of "The Simpsons" on Jan. 10, and the season premieres of "American Idol" on Jan. 12 and "24" on Jan. 17. It urged viewers to go to its Web site, www.keepfoxon.com .

If the signal were dropped, cable operators could anger customers, who can switch to competitive television providers such as DirecTV or AT&T's U-verse that carry Fox programming. Satellite TV provider Dish Network, which already has a deal with Fox, has been heavily advertising in newspapers, radio and TV telling Time Warner Cable customers, "Don't risk missing your favorite shows."

TV viewers could also decide to cut off their cable entirely and watch the Fox broadcast network using an antenna with a digital TV or converter box.

Karen Amaya, a 30-year-old schoolteacher and Time Warner Cable subscriber in Van Nuys, Calif., said she hoped a deal was reached so she can watch "American Idol" episodes. But she had options if the signal was cut.

"I'd end up watching them online," she said.

Separately, Cablevision Systems Corp. said early Friday it had dropped HGTV and Food Network for its 3.1 million subscribers in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut in a fee dispute with Scripps Networks Interactive Inc., based in Cincinnati.

Time Warner Cable continued to carry Food Network and Great American Country under a temporary deal extension as its talks with Scripps also continued.

Fox and CBS signals from Sinclair Broadcasting Group Inc. stations in markets such as Des Moines and Cedar Rapids, Iowa, also continued to be carried by cable company Mediacom Communications Corp. in a temporary deal extension.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

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cowboyjoe;3188787 said:
Football fans in limbo but Fox broadcasts stay on
Posted: Jan 01, 2010 2:06 PM CST
Updated: Jan 01, 2010 4:26 PM CST
By RYAN NAKASHIMA
AP Business Writer
LOSANGELES (AP) - The Fox television network pulled back from the brink on Friday, allowing its signals to continue for millions of cable subscribers beyond a midnight deadline as it continued to seek higher fees for its programming.

The News Corp. broadcaster had threatened to force two cable companies - Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks - to drop the Fox broadcast signal from 14 of its TV stations and half a dozen of its cable channels as a contract expired at midnight Thursday.

Even as talks continued into Friday, the conciliatory stance made it appear a disruption would not occur - likely preserving access to the Sugar Bowl college football game (starting at 8:30 p.m. EST) and other programming for more than 6 million cable subscribers in New York, Los Angeles, Orlando, Fla., and other markets.

It was unclear how long the reprieve would last, however. That left fans looking forward to the Florida-Cincinnati bowl matchup in doubt about whether they would need to head to sports bars with a satellite TV hookup to cheer on their teams.

"It leaves some people up in limbo as to whether to leave their homes to watch the game," said Dan Beiley, 28, president of the Gotham Gators, a University of Florida alumni club in New York. "It's certainly unfortunate that it came to all this."


Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass, who earlier urged the companies to preserve TV access throughout the college football bowl season, said he was "pleased" at the decision to keep Fox programming on cable while talks went on.

Fox spokesman Scott Grogin said at about 1 p.m. EST Friday the companies were "still negotiating."

Time Warner Cable Inc. Chief Executive Glenn Britt said the ball was now in Fox's court.


"We've done everything we can to reach a fair agreement and now it's really up to Fox," Britt said in a statement Friday. "We hope they will agree to a deal that's reasonable for everyone."

Fox wants to be paid $1 per cable subscriber each month for the broadcast signal it now gives away freely from the stations it owns. Other Fox affiliate stations that are owned by different companies have already cut deals to be paid by cable operators for a fraction of that fee.

Fox says it can no longer give away its stations' signals because the network is facing stiff competition from cable channels, such as the Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN, which earn subscriber fees on top of advertising dollars.


That dual revenue stream allowed ESPN to outbid Fox for high-priced events such as the college football Bowl Championship Series - including the Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl that are now on Fox - from 2011 to 2013.

Time Warner Cable, in the meantime, has vowed to hold the line on cable bill increases, and said the vast of majority of viewers who went to its Web site, www.rolloverorgettough.com , urged it to "get tough" and fight back higher costs.

Neither side would fare well if signals were pulled in a dispute.


Fox would lose viewers and advertising dollars for some highly anticipated shows this month, including the 20th anniversary special of "The Simpsons" on Jan. 10, and the season premieres of "American Idol" on Jan. 12 and "24" on Jan. 17. It urged viewers to go to its Web site, www.keepfoxon.com .

If the signal were dropped, cable operators could anger customers, who can switch to competitive television providers such as DirecTV or AT&T's U-verse that carry Fox programming. Satellite TV provider Dish Network, which already has a deal with Fox, has been heavily advertising in newspapers, radio and TV telling Time Warner Cable customers, "Don't risk missing your favorite shows."

TV viewers could also decide to cut off their cable entirely and watch the Fox broadcast network using an antenna with a digital TV or converter box.

Karen Amaya, a 30-year-old schoolteacher and Time Warner Cable subscriber in Van Nuys, Calif., said she hoped a deal was reached so she can watch "American Idol" episodes. But she had options if the signal was cut.

"I'd end up watching them online," she said.

Separately, Cablevision Systems Corp. said early Friday it had dropped HGTV and Food Network for its 3.1 million subscribers in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut in a fee dispute with Scripps Networks Interactive Inc., based in Cincinnati.

Time Warner Cable continued to carry Food Network and Great American Country under a temporary deal extension as its talks with Scripps also continued.

Fox and CBS signals from Sinclair Broadcasting Group Inc. stations in markets such as Des Moines and Cedar Rapids, Iowa, also continued to be carried by cable company Mediacom Communications Corp. in a temporary deal extension.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

I sort of wish fox went off the air. Then rich people(cable users) would get to fell like us reguslt bunny ear users. One reason i like NFL is that most of the games are viewable by average joes. However, the NBA even makes playoff games only for rich people.

Maybe if fox forced games off air it would csll for more gsmes to be on regual tv. I know that the rich people pay so they get better options. But playoff games should be viewable by all. I know it sounds un captisalistic, but i am just a fan that isn't rich.
 

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All I know is that Time Warner better be showing the Cowboy's game on Sunday.


Yea, that is going to be a brilliant move by Time Warner to piss off the majority of their subscribers in Texas by not showing the Cowboys.

I think a deal gets done.
 

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A good pair of rabbit ears can get you an HD signal, and they cost less than $20.

Rabbit ears are your friends.
 

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Beast_from_East;3188929 said:
All I know is that Time Warner better be showing the Cowboy's game on Sunday.


Yea, that is going to be a brilliant move by Time Warner to piss off the majority of their subscribers in Texas by not showing the Cowboys.

I think a deal gets done.

Beast from East, boy alot of people would be ticked off wouldnt they if right before the game fox and time warner says a deal cant be worked out, so no cowboys eagle game

wonder what would really happen if they did not air the game

wonder what jerry jones would do, what our senators, mayors etc would do after people complained at them

from what i understand, will only effect cable subscribers, luckly i have direct tv

i got upset at my cable because we were suppose to get the cowboys on FSW, but a guy in tyler texas doesnt like the cowboys, so at night he wont play the cowboys stuff on channel 38 on cable tv, so i went and got direct tv so i could get nfl network and fsw
 

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Don Corleone;3188951 said:
A good pair of rabbit ears can get you an HD signal, and they cost less than $20.

Rabbit ears are your friends.

Thank you... It's obvious that many people don't even realize this.
 

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Don Corleone;3188951 said:
A good pair of rabbit ears can get you an HD signal, and they cost less than $20.

Rabbit ears are your friends.

dont you have to have some kind of box with the rabbit ears?

i forgot what type of box but one of my friends that has cable, did say you had to have some kind of box with rabbit ears to get what you want
 

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Chocolate Lab;3188963 said:
Thank you... It's obvious that many people don't even realize this.


yep. Believe it or not I run a single coaxial cable into my computer and record all the games through 40 dollar antenna!

and the kicker is it never goes out, my satellite dish was out for about 4 hours the other day and my antenna was crystal clear the whole time!
 

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cowboyjoe;3188968 said:
dont you have to have some kind of box with the rabbit ears?

i forgot what type of box but one of my friends that has cable, did say you had to have some kind of box with rabbit ears to get what you want

No box. I have an HDTV, and simply have rabbit ears attached as one of the inputs. You then tune the channels, and voila, you're all set.

It is the purest, uncompressed HD signal you can get. It blows away HD from cable providers.
 

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Don Corleone;3189049 said:
No box. I have an HDTV, and simply have rabbit ears attached as one of the inputs. You then tune the channels, and voila, you're all set.

It is the purest, uncompressed HD signal you can get. It blows away HD from cable providers.

drats then, i dont have a HDTV, just an old 22 inch tv ran from my satellite dish to my DVR to my vcr to my tv
 

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Beast_from_East;3188929 said:
All I know is that Time Warner better be showing the Cowboy's game on Sunday.


Yea, that is going to be a brilliant move by Time Warner to piss off the majority of their subscribers in Texas by not showing the Cowboys.

I think a deal gets done.

time warner pissing off people, how about fox?

I understand they want paid for their signal that they already get subsidized by advertisement, but if my bill goes up due to that request, then yes I will be pissed.
 

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theebs;3189011 said:
and the kicker is it never goes out, my satellite dish was out for about 4 hours the other day and my antenna was crystal clear the whole time!

I have DirecTV and have for more than a decade. The weather used to knock out the signal some, but in the last 12-18 months or so whatever they have done to their technology has made a VAST difference in this. Not only does it rarely go out any, when it does it usually lasts for only a minimal time. And I live in Atlanta, where thundershowers/storms are almost a year round issue.
 

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cowboyjoe;3189197 said:
drats then, i dont have a HDTV, just an old 22 inch tv ran from my satellite dish to my DVR to my vcr to my tv

you can still use rabbit ears
 

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dbair1967;3189250 said:
you can still use rabbit ears

not if he doesn't have a SDTV/hdtv tuner. You can buy a external tuner which costs 40-60 bucks and you can use a government coupon. You can also by tv capture cards for pcs that will recive ATSC. his old tv/vcr might only have a NTSC tuner
 

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Taz;3188841 said:
I sort of wish fox went off the air. Then rich people(cable users) would get to fell like us reguslt bunny ear users. One reason i like NFL is that most of the games are viewable by average joes. However, the NBA even makes playoff games only for rich people.

Maybe if fox forced games off air it would csll for more gsmes to be on regual tv. I know that the rich people pay so they get better options. But playoff games should be viewable by all. I know it sounds un captisalistic, but i am just a fan that isn't rich.

Wow, I thought obama's definition of "the rich" was a stretch, you bring it to a whole new level!
 

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yeah a deal was reached today. I work for Fox and got the email today with all the details of the settlement. Time Warner acted really stupid during this whole negotiation and were trying to low ball the hell out of Fox while they pay networks like TNT (Who have a fraction of the viewer ship as Fox) the amount Fox was asking for.
 
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