Is Dak back in the MVP conversation?

Lamb has been injured for half of the season, so it's not like Dak has had both receivers as weapons at the same time. Plus, those other 2 QBs you mentioned (Stafford and Maye) have had top 5 defenses all year long that help out their offenses, unlike Dak and the Cowboys. So, let's be fair when comparing apples to apples. If not, you end up looking foolish. Dak has had to carry his team. Those other 2 QBs have had a team to help carry them.
Bears some credence, but those two guys nonetheless deserve to be where they are in the MVP conversation - which is above Dak. The Patriots have the best record in the NFL with their quarterback leading the way. The Rams are tied for the best record in the NFC with their quarterback leading the league in touchdown passes. They belong at the top of the MVP race. The next few weeks will be put up or shut up time for all of them. Based on what I saw last night, I don't see Maye slowing down and I doubt Stafford will either knowing how little time he has left in his career.
 
Bears some credence, but those two guys nonetheless deserve to be where they are in the MVP conversation - which is above Dak. The Patriots have the best record in the NFL with their quarterback leading the way. The Rams are tied for the best record in the NFC with their quarterback leading the league in touchdown passes. They belong at the top of the MVP race. The next few weeks will be put up or shut up time for all of them. Based on what I saw last night, I don't see Maye slowing down and I doubt Stafford will either knowing how little time he has left in his career.
Disagree.

Cowboys would only have 2 losses right now if our defense was as good as we've built via trades only the past 3 weeks.

Then posters like you would likely say the opposite against Dak and say the Cowboys only have 2 losses because of their defense, not because of Dak. Totally the opposite of what you are saying in defense of Stafford and Maye.
 
Latest Combined Stats calculation says yes, he is in the discussion

"Combined Stats" just means using two key stats that --when combined--almost always point to the QBs having the best season (the eventual All-Pros, MVPs, etc). 1 of top 2 has been MVP 22 of last 23 years

Those stats are:
1) Standard QB Passer Rating Rank
AND
2) TD-Turnover Differential Rank: Total TDs
(Rushing and Passing) - Total Turnovers (Fumbles lost and Interceptions)


Here are the top 10 QB Rankings using Combined Stats thru Week 13:
  1. Stafford
  2. Goff
  3. Maye
  4. Hurts
  5. PRESCOTT
  6. Love
  7. Allen
  8. Mahomes
  9. D Jones
  10. Jackson
 
Disagree.

Cowboys would only have 2 losses right now if our defense was as good as we've built via trades only the past 3 weeks.

Then posters like you would likely say the opposite against Dak and say the Cowboys only have 2 losses because of their defense, not because of Dak. Totally the opposite of what you are saying in defense of Stafford and Maye.
Oh well, please don't presume to tell me what I would say if XYZ were to be, though. What I do say is that Drake Maye and Matthew Stafford are completely warranted MVP favorites right now. Can Dak win it? Possibly. He's got work to do this month and has to cross his fingers that those two guys falter a bit.
 
As it stands, I don't really think there's a conversation to be had.

It's Matthew Stafford. He's a Super Bowl winner who's got the best record in the NFC. The Rams have the best run differential in all of football in the toughest division to boot. He's thrown 32 TDs to 4 INT.

Until something changes, it doesn't seem particularly close.
 
Oh well, please don't presume to tell me what I would say if XYZ were to be, though. What I do say is that Drake Maye and Matthew Stafford are completely warranted MVP favorites right now. Can Dak win it? Possibly. He's got work to do this month and has to cross his fingers that those two guys falter a bit.
Meh. Dak is playing better than Stafford and Maye considering the circumstances he's been surrounded with compared to them. I'm sticking to what I've seen.
 
He's been in the MVP talk since week one in my opinion it's too bad some players on this team keep dropping passes can only imagine I'd like to see the comparison for the other MVP quarterbacks how many drop passes are there targets have had this year?

Some of them have been big for Prescott, Lamb and game one if he makes all his catches the way he's supposed to he'd had close to 200 yards and at least one touchdown...

I mean I don't pay attention to all that so I really don't care but Prescott has been playing at this level from the first game on when his less impressive games have happened it's more So what went on around him the offensive line struggled for two or 3 weeks in a row really badly not just kind of bad just absolutely next level bad especially the Denver and Cardinals games I mean he didn't even really have a run game in the Panthers game even Williams was nonexistent..

So Prescott has been playing great all year in my opinion MVP level when you talk about what he meant to this team..

I really don't care about the accolades the personal awards and what not I just wanna see a good brand of football and that's what we're seeing right now...
 
As it stands, I don't really think there's a conversation to be had.

It's Matthew Stafford. He's a Super Bowl winner who's got the best record in the NFC. The Rams have the best run differential in all of football in the toughest division to boot. He's thrown 32 TDs to 4 INT.

Until something changes, it doesn't seem particularly close.
You know as much as I want to agree with you, some of that doesn't make sense to me, it's almost a contradiction the Rams have one of the best run differentials in football, they have a better team, they have a better defense, the entire year they have a better coaching staff,

so yeah, take that into perspective on what Prescott had to do for his team just to keep them in it that is what MVP means the Most Valuable Player to your team.

At Times, when you see these systems that say San Francisco runs and and look at how some of those quarterbacks that came through there like Baker ,Sam Darnold, even Mac Jones ,looked good even when the starting quarterback wasn't in there, it didn't seem to be a big drop off that's what great systems look when you have great defense great team great running game.


i'm not discounting Matthew Stafford at all but when you say that without really thinking about what you said he'd been on a better team all year it's a little easier to play when you're playing as a group ,smoothly.. I'd Be curious if they had one of those types of guys like San Francisco's had as a backup if Stafford was out would they have missed a beat?

Like I said ,you're right he's the MVP frontrunner right now ,but when you really look at it, Prescott has been better, because of what he's had to deal with all year.

That's just my opinion I don't really care if he wins it or not but you really got to look at the teams the coaching Staffs all of it...

And you give Prescott a solid run game and a decent defense he's almost winning all those games, but he doesn't have that very often whereas guys like Matthew Stafford have it more than they don't...
 
Not just paying him thats fine. But make him mvp of the whole league going 3-4-1.

Now...improve the defense and we're winning games.

The mvp is defense.

It's not a dak dis like these cowboys team haters say.

It's just what's more valuable.

Should be an easy choice but dak bots are insane.
It's only valuable because of the offense. If the offense had been playing at a Cooper Rush level, struggling to score 20 points these last three games the record would be 1-2 not 3-0. In fact if you look at the entire season how many games would the Cowboys have won with the defense giving up 22 points per game if they had been scoring 20 points a game instead of 30? Philly? L both times. Giants? L. Packers? L. Panthers? L. Cardinals? L. Bears? L? Ratscums? L. Broncos? L. Jets? L. The ONLY game this team would have won scoring the number of points the defense has surrendered on average the last 3 games is the Raiders. So basically without Dak and the offense playing lights out we would be 1-11? MAYBE 2-10?

Again the defense is playing better.. but not lights out. For most of the season Dak and the offense HAVE been playing lights out. They have hit 40 points 3 times and topped 30 points 3 other times. That, my friend, is the difference. If the defense had been giving up the same 21.67 points a game they have been over the last three weeks all season they'd be 13th in the league. Again you aint gittin no MVPs for being the 13th best at anything. If the offense played at that level people would be screaming about "why are we paying Dak all that money just to be just above middle of the league offensively?" And he sure as hell wouldn't be in anybody's MVP conversation. And rightfully so.
 
Meh. Dak is playing better than Stafford and Maye considering the circumstances he's been surrounded with compared to them. I'm sticking to what I've seen.
He has. But they're going to vote for the QB with the best record. Maye doesn't throw for 300 yards because he doesn't have to. Dak had to in several of those wins. They won't take any of that into consideration. How didn't Barkley win MVP last year? If there was ever a case for a RB, that was it.
 
He has. But they're going to vote for the QB with the best record. Maye doesn't throw for 300 yards because he doesn't have to. Dak had to in several of those wins. They won't take any of that into consideration. How didn't Barkley win MVP last year? If there was ever a case for a RB, that was it.
Lot's of truth about winning records.

Fwiw though, Drake only throws for 8.5 yards per game less than Dak. He throws it plenty. So does Stafford
 

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