Is it conservative or just bad play calling?

[Doomsday101]

The part that isn't a maybe is that running the ball runs time off the clock. They run it three times, the clock ticks down closer to the 2 minute warning.

Yet it took Washington less than a min to score, what I'm getting at Dallas had a chance to put the game away with a 1st down and Washington was not going to let us do it on the ground so yes I think your better off in that situation of passing the ball to pick up the 1st and end the game. We had our chance and did not get it done.

 

[AdamJT13]

So which team's play calling would you rather have? Philadelphia? New England? Indianapolis? Cincinnati? San Diego?

Which team does it exactly right, and you wouldn't complain if we did it exactly the same way?

 

[Portland Fanatic]

So which team's play calling would you rather have? Philadelphia? New England? Indianapolis? Cincinnati? San Diego?

Which team does it exactly right, and you wouldn't complain if we did it exactly the same way?

Honestly...i'd take BP calling plays like he did with Vinny last year.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Sounds good.

Maybe they should just throw out Keyshawn throwing the ball. The defense doesn't seemed to be fooled by it. At least this one wasn't an interception like last season.

LOL....that actually did not surprise me. Love the occasional trick play added to the conservative approach.

How about a flea flicker...good trick play because...you try and freeze the LB's on a blitz, freeze the safety's...and guess what? Your QB throws the pass. Keys...c'mon Payton???

What is the worst pass in football? Throwing back accross the field...right? So not only do we do that...we have Keys throwing to 5'9 JJ, who is average at best catching the ball.

Oh Oh...what about 4 and 1...fake punt, with 20 minutes on the clock, which is the drive SF scored on....

I'm done before i get going more!

 

[joseephuss]

So which team's play calling would you rather have? Philadelphia? New England? Indianapolis? Cincinnati? San Diego?

Which team does it exactly right, and you wouldn't complain if we did it exactly the same way?

I think Portland just nailed it. The play calling this season doesn't seem to match last years or 2003. It just seems different. It is not like execution was any better the last two seasons.

It isn't about what other teams are doing, just judging things by what I have seen out of Dallas since Bill's arrival.

 

[Aikmaniac]

I think Payton should take the playbook...cut into strips..play by play, them throw them up in the air....mix them up really good, then glue them back together. We'd have far more success!

I think he should "take that playbook, shine it up really nice, turn that SOB sideways, and stick it straight up his candy ***!!"

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So which team's play calling would you rather have? Philadelphia? New England? Indianapolis? Cincinnati? San Diego?

Which team does it exactly right, and you wouldn't complain if we did it exactly the same way?

The team that's winning, obviously.

 

[blindzebra]

I don't think it's so much either as it is play design versus personnel.

There were times against Oakland where it felt like preseason.

We have a big, not overly mobile OL, and a lanky QB that is not very fleet afoot yet we keep running that stretch play that needs the OL to pull and Bledsoe to cover a lot of ground to make the hand off. Perfect execution usually nets us just 2 or 3 yards, but the vast majority of the time it's no gain or negative yards.

The same goes for the passing game, Jones is not a great receiver and Bledsoe does not throw the short pass well, but we keep forcing the issue.

We are getting killed on early downs by 3 wide against the 3-4, teams are forcing our best pass rusher into coverage. We then start making adjustments and get ripped by the running game. Where are the 4-3 looks, that we were told we'd be running? We play 4-3 against Oakland and we win that game handily.

I'd say the problem is we keep trying to force square pegs into round holes. We have some versatility, but instead of gameplanning for our strengths against the other teams weakness, we tend to keep exposing our weaknesses and play into their strengths.

 

[blindzebra]

LOL....that actually did not surprise me. Love the occasional trick play added to the conservative approach.

How about a flea flicker...good trick play because...you try and freeze the LB's on a blitz, freeze the safety's...and guess what? Your QB throws the pass. Keys...c'mon Payton???

What is the worst pass in football? Throwing back accross the field...right? So not only do we do that...we have Keys throwing to 5'9 JJ, who is average at best catching the ball.

Oh Oh...what about 4 and 1...fake punt, with 20 minutes on the clock, which is the drive SF scored on....

I'm done before i get going more!

How much better would that play have been if Crayton had taken Key's spot and the intended receiver was Glenn?

Square pegs, round holes is our coache's flaw.

 

[kartr]

Seriously man, Carter is gone!!!!!!

Get over it.

Drew Bledsoe is the reason we are 2-2 not 0-4

And try throwing in the first half instead of at the end when we need big plays, and they know we what we are going to do.

Bledsoe is the primary culprit in our two losses. He missed open receivers near the end of the game when he had time. He performed well against defenses that are in the bottom ten in points and passing yardage allowed. That just not good enough.

 

[AdamJT13]

The team that's winning, obviously.

So if Julius Jones had scored on second down against Oakland, and if Roy had caught Brunell's pass in the end zone against Washington, nobody would have any complaints about Parcells' play calling because we'd be 4-0? Um, OK.

 

[blindzebra]

Bledsoe is the primary culprit in our two losses. He missed open receivers near the end of the game when he had time. He performed well against defenses that are in the bottom ten in points and passing yardage allowed. That just not good enough.

FYI, the Jets were so desperate for a QB after Pennington and Fiedler went down that they ran right out and signed their former QB, funny it wasn't Quincy.

 

[joseephuss]

So if Julius Jones had scored on second down against Oakland, and if Roy had caught Brunell's pass in the end zone against Washington, nobody would have any complaints about Parcells' play calling because we'd be 4-0? Um, OK.

Nope. I think many would still have some faults with it. They would just be considered constructive criticism's instead of complaints due to 4-0 record. The same problems would still exist. Maybe it is not a problem, but I think it is an area that can be improved, just like many other areas on the team.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Bledsoe is the primary culprit in our two losses. He missed open receivers near the end of the game when he had time. He performed well against defenses that are in the bottom ten in points and passing yardage allowed. That just not good enough.

Ouch...ok i'm tough on QB's, but even i have to say Bledsoe has played very well. If you think for one minute he can see eveything going on at the same time, not to mention he has a progression for reading the plays, your nuts....

My beef.....why in the he11 would you call a play where recievers are not in the end zone??? Why?

Why would you boot leg (in SF) on 4th and one, when you loaded two TE's and your FB to the other side...getting sacked?

Why would you have Keys throw the ball on a trick play to JJ at 5'9 accross the field?

Why would you fake punt 4 and 1 on your own 35 with 20 minutes in the game down by 5?

Why would you only throw 20 or so times against one of the worst passing defense in the league?

Just to name a few....

 

[kartr]

It wasn't a bomb to Crayton. Bledsoe already said that Glenn made an adjustment on the bomb in the 49er game.

I haven't been pleased at all with the play calling in the last three games. One of those was a win.

The players do have to execute. No one doubts that. The coaches have to put them in the best position to execute. I don't think offensively they have done that on a consistent basis.

I stand corrected, it wasn't bomb to Crayton, it was a great catch and run and shoddy tackling by the Raiders. What more do the coaches have to do for Bledsoe? Jason Witten got open and the line gave him time to look. There's nothing the coaches could have done, Bledsoe has to make better decisions and better throws. I wish people would stop trying to make Bledsoe into Aikman, he is what he is. Everywhere he's played, he's had a good supporting cast, yet has had an up and down career. Don't blame the messenger for Bledsoe's Blunders, blame the guy who brought him here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So if Julius Jones had scored on second down against Oakland, and if Roy had caught Brunell's pass in the end zone against Washington, nobody would have any complaints about Parcells' play calling because we'd be 4-0? Um, OK.

It should be apparent to all that the large majority of posters on this board deal in absolutes.

If this, if that, OK but the reality is that we're 2-2. When you get finished Umen and OKing, the bottom line is that we'll still be 2-2. All the mad justification in the world is not going to change that simple fact.

You of all people should know this.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

It should be apparent to all that the large majority of posters on this board deal in absolutes.

If this, if that, OK but the reality is that we're 2-2. When you get finished Umen and OKing, the bottom line is that we'll still be 2-2. All the mad justification in the world is not going to change that simple fact.

You of all people should know this.

Agreed, BUT we are not learning from the mistakes...still conservative approach until we must fight from behind, or scared to go for the juggler...etc...same ole same ole

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agreed, BUT we are not learning from the mistakes...still conservative approach until we must fight from behind, or scared to go for the juggler...etc...same ole same ole

I don't disagree with what your saying here Portland. We are somewhat predictable IMO. I think we always will be while BP is here. I'm not against it, per say. I think that it can work both ways. An imaginative OC can keep a defense on it's heels by calling an open game or a good offense can execute to the point of perfection and be succesful.

Personally, I believe that we're to inexperienced and to immobile in the OL to run a great deal of variation. I believe that Parcells is deathly affraid of losing his QB to allow for a wide open game. I believe that the left side of our OL is to limited to be able to get out in space and execute. I think the right side is not solid enough to be able to execute these same type plays. I believe the running backs are young. In short, I think we need more time to grow before Parcells starts thinking about going away from the base offense we seem to be anchored to.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I don't disagree with what your saying here Portland. We are somewhat predictable IMO. I think we always will be while BP is here. I'm not against it, per say. I think that it can work both ways. An imaginative OC can keep a defense on it's heels by calling an open game or a good offense can execute to the point of perfection and be succesful.

Personally, I believe that we're to inexperienced and to immobile in the OL to run a great deal of variation. I believe that Parcells is deathly affraid of losing his QB to allow for a wide open game. I believe that the left side of our OL is to limited to be able to get out in space and execute. I think the right side is not solid enough to be able to execute these same type plays. I believe the running backs are young. In short, I think we need more time to grow before Parcells starts thinking about going away from the base offense we seem to be anchored to.

I don't want to really debate the experience on the offense...I think we haver plenty of experience...Flo, LA, Rivera, Campbell, Keys, Glenn, Price (or not)...etc..

At this point...take our base offense can be mixed up...a lot. Let's take a series or two and pass almost every down, trust me...that will shock some teams, then after that gets going, then run and draw a series...i would almost guarantee (if the pass series was successful), the the running lanes would open up.

Hey...I know I'm overboard on things right now, but we have the players to win. I think they are playing well too, including the rookies. It's been Payton and to some extent Zimmy holding us back.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't want to really debate the experience on the offense...I think we haver plenty of experience...Flo, LA, Rivera, Campbell, Keys, Glenn, Price (or not)...etc..

At this point...take our base offense can be mixed up...a lot. Let's take a series or two and pass almost every down, trust me...that will shock some teams, then after that gets going, then run and draw a series...i would almost guarantee (if the pass series was successful), the the running lanes would open up.

Hey...I know I'm overboard on things right now, but we have the players to win. I think they are playing well too, including the rookies. It's been Payton and to some extent Zimmy holding us back.

Flo and Allen, IMO, can not get it done in space. They don't pull well. If there forced to move around in pass protection, there going to get abused. Rivera is solid but he's kind of anchored to the RT. He can't really leave him. The WR corps are vets but you have to be able to pass block. You have to be able to pick up the blitz and our young RBs aren't there yet. I just believe that Parcells will not knowingly take the chance. Yeah, it might work but if it doesn't, he could get the QB killed. This, IMO, is what dominates his thinking.