Is Jerry Jones the new Al Davis?

[smoovb]

I was reading the article over in the news section of the website and after I finished the story I had a question. Is Jerrry Jones the new Al Davis?

From a fan's perspective as well as some in the media, the numerous problems the Boys have on their plate are plainly obvious. Locker room turmoil, lack of leadership, personnel, et cetera. I could go on and on, but the point is their problems are as plain as crayola on construction paper.

By reading Jerry's (Jones) comments I felt as if in some weird way, I was feeling the same things as a Raiders fan.

You got this owner, who has complete contol of his team. And unfortunately, utilizes his ownership to its fullest, making a mockery of a great franchise. All the while, his twisted mentallity refuses to accept and acknowledge what everyone else, including the fans, sees. Think I'm wrong? Reread just this paragraph and instead of thinking about Jerry, think of ol' Al. Pretty similar right?

Maybe I'm way off base but the Raiders made it to the big game a few years ago and lost. Since then they have been horrible. Well, so have we. And instead of being positive and looking forward to good things to come, I'm dreading next season (based on events taking place (or not) thus far).

Anyone else think the same way? I'd appreciate your comments. And if not, I'd like to hear those too.

Thanks,

 

[Bach]

No. Al Davis at one time actually was a good GM.

 

[smoovb]

We won Superbowls too while Jerry was a GM. Just data.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No. Al Davis at one time actually was a good GM.

:laugh2:

Oh some people.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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Ahh life is good.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

As much as I like to bash Jerry the GM...No he is not as bad as Al Davis right now.

 

[Bach]

We won Superbowls too while Jerry was a GM. Just data.

With the teams Jimmy and staff built.

 

[Bach]

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Ahh life is good.

Way to ignore me. :laugh2:

 

[smoovb]

Absolutely true.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

We won Superbowls too while Jerry was a GM. Just data.

It's debatable if he actually did anything other than what Jimmy said they should do.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

With the teams Jimmy and staff built.

Of course. When they won it was all because of someone else. When they lose it's all because of him.

I love how people do that about Jimmy. Trying to make him out to be some genius who was so good he could just win without Jerry.

Tell me again how great Jimmy did in Miami when he had the final say on everything and had no Jerry?

He did about as good on his own as Jerry has done on his own.

But, hey, yeah it was CLEARLY all Jimmy.


LOL.

Wow.

 

[Bach]

Of course. When they won it was all because of someone else. When they lose it's all because of him.

I love how people do that about Jimmy. Trying to make him out to be some genius who was so good he could just win without Jerry.

Tell me again how great Jimmy did in Miami when he had the final say on everything and had no Jerry?

He did about as good on his own as Jerry has done on his own.

But, hey, yeah it was CLEARLY all Jimmy.


LOL.

Wow.

I love the way some like you try to give Jerry credit the work others did and then try and act like he's blameless when the team fails to win one playoff game in 13 years.

And you're right, it was CLEARLY Jimmy who was the catalyst behind the 90's championship teams in Dallas.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course. When they won it was all because of someone else. When they lose it's all because of him.

I love how people do that about Jimmy. Trying to make him out to be some genius who was so good he could just win without Jerry.

Tell me again how great Jimmy did in Miami when he had the final say on everything and had no Jerry?

He did about as good on his own as Jerry has done on his own.

But, hey, yeah it was CLEARLY all Jimmy.


LOL.

Wow.

Landry drafted Irvin and did all the scouting work for Aikman. Johsnson brought in his Miami guy he was so confident in Aikman. He also wanted some LB over Emmitt.

Lets not forget that Jones brokered the Walker and Haley deals and was instrumental in Plan B pickups like Novacek.

I just put Bach on ignore. Lets just say critical thinking and original thought aren't high on his priority list.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Of course. When they won it was all because of someone else. When they lose it's all because of him.

I love how people do that about Jimmy. Trying to make him out to be some genius who was so good he could just win without Jerry.

Tell me again how great Jimmy did in Miami when he had the final say on everything and had no Jerry?

He did about as good on his own as Jerry has done on his own.

But, hey, yeah it was CLEARLY all Jimmy.


LOL.

Wow.

Jerry has a place in that because he bought the Cowboys and hired Jimmy. The talent acquisition and coaching were all Jimmy and his staff. Things started going South when jealousy and ego caused Jerry and Jimmy to part ways. The talent that Jimmy brought in started to erode and the replacements that GM Jerry and his staff brought in were sub-par.

Jimmy did not succeed in Miami, but why should anyone on this board care about what Jimmy did in Miami?

 

[Iamtdg]

No, he's not.

He's not quite as senile just yet.

But, it won't be long.

 

[Bach]

Landry drafted Irvin and did all the scouting work for Aikman. Johsnson brought in his Miami guy he was so confident in Aikman. He also wanted some LB over Emmitt.

Lets not forget that Jones brokered the Walker and Haley deals and was instrumental in Plan B pickups like Novacek.

I just put Bach on ignore. Lets just say critical thinking and original thought aren't high on his priority list.

Jerry drafted Shante Carver, Kavika Pittman, Shane Hannah, Kendall Watkins, Sherman Williams, Ebeneezer Ekuban, Kareem Larrimore, Dwayne Goodrich, Tony Dixon, Quincy Carter.

As for Walker and Haley, Jones only finished those deals, he didn't initiate them. And Jimmy was the man who turned all those draft picks into prime players that helped get us to the Super Bowls.

I guess the truth is too much for some to handle, so they have to ignore it.

 

[Bach]

Jimmy did not succeed in Miami, but why should anyone on this board care about what Jimmy did in Miami?

He didn't drive the Dolphins to 5-11 either.

But since Jimmy didn't win big in Miami that means to the simpleminded that he wasn't responsible for the success in Dallas.

By their rationale, I guess since Vince Lombardi was only 7-5-2 with the Commanders that it signals he wasn't instrumental with the Packers success of the 60's.

 

[CoCo]

I've been a Jerry Jones defender of sorts through the years. While I was absolutely willing to acknowledge the many mistakes he had made as GM (most notably the drafts of 1995 through 2001 excepting Ellis & Adams in 98) I was quick to also state that I believed he was learning from his mistakes and making the adjustments necessary to get us back in contention.

2003-2006 results on the field were validating that. The 2007 & 2008 drafts, sans Parcells and then Ireland lent further credence to Jerry's growth as GM. And though the 13-3 season ended in bitter disappointment it seemed a new page had truly been turned that would outlast even Parcells departure.

Then came 2008. Given the current mess , Jerry's role in it, and his seeming indecision as to just how to rectify it I'm going to stop defending our GM/owner and wait for new evidence as to just how much he has learned.

Am I taking the definitive position of some who proclaim we'll never win a playoff game with Jones as GM? No. But I'm not going to engage them in discussion and try to point out otherwise. Been there, done that. If they want to cry doomsday, have at it.

Right now I will concede that it appears Jones creates certain additional obstacles to overcome. Maybe he'll take some effective corrective action. Maybe he'll set a tone at VR that supports the structures necessary to maximize potential. Maybe he'll learn on this front like he apparently did on the draft. I'll wait and see.

And I'll hope the collective rest of the organization can overcome enough to help us win a playoff game or more next year. We shall see.

Scary thing to say, but "its your move Jerry."

 

[DallasEast]

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Ahh life is good.

...because "ignorance is bliss..?"

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RATS!

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

...because "ignorance is bliss..?"

- THIS MESSAGE IS HIDDEN BECAUSE DALLASEAST IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST -

RATS!

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Sorry, DE you haven't sunk to his level. That was even somewhat witty. He is just a one trick pony that likes to sabotage thread with his antiJerry drivel.

I love the whole mob mentality's new take of me not just accepting the truth. As if following the herd is how to find truth and the path of redemption.