Is Jerry Laying The Groundwork To Dump Garrett?

[NJ22]

He has already given him 2 years too many. Garrett has laid all the ground work he needs to get fired.

 

[tantrix1969]

I don't think Jerry is setting Garrett up ... but he is laying the law that it's time to win. Garrett is on notice.

this. Jerry wants to win too bad to setup JG to fail, I think he really wants him to win but agree he needs to get to the playoffs this year to keep his job

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I agree that if the Cowboys don't go to the playoffs next year Garrett is gone. You don't need talking heads in Austin and Houston to tell you that. Hell, if they go to playoffs and then lose in the 1st round he maybe be gone. They guy is on short leash. That's a fact (in my mind).

Agreed. He'll have to go 1 or 2 games into the playoffs to save his butt. I'm pretty sure he's incapable of that. It's too bad we're really in the best position in terms of personnel right now compared to the recent past too.

 

[khiladi]

Also on Friday, Ed Werder said that more than a few voices at VR stated that there is a view that Romo will not be able to lead the Cowboys to a SB. They just don't have anyone else right now and no money to get anyone else that might.

Garrett's dad?

 

[khiladi]

Just as an aside, Cad Cameron was getting hammered in Baltimore even before last year as an OC.

 

[Bluestang]

Jason Garrett doesnt believe in the QB sneak and has called 1 QB draw in history?

That satisfy you?

You are being purposely obtuse. Mobile QB /= RUNNING QB.

I've asked you multiple times to provide stats, or some sort of relevant substance to your argument.

If you can't then that's OK, you can just say that you don't know.

I have no doubt that Romo's numbers outside the pocket are among the best but that doesn't translate to the theory that he needs to be in a different system.

I've already addressed that in an earlier post about subscribing to that idea.

If Romo had the Ravens' OL we wouldn't see the fancy spin moves to avoid a rusher or two. Just look at his W/L ratio when Romo is given the luxury of a 100 yd rusher and clean pocket (< 4 sacks)

 

[jobberone]

I've asked you multiple times to provide stats, or some sort of relevant substance to your argument.

If you can't then that's OK, you can just say that you don't know.

I have no doubt that Romo's numbers outside the pocket are among the best but that doesn't translate to the theory that he needs to be in a different system.

I've already addressed that in an earlier post about subscribing to that idea.

If Romo had the Ravens' OL we wouldn't see the fancy spin moves to avoid a rusher or two. Just look at his W/L ratio when Romo is given the luxury of a 100 yd rusher and clean pocket (< 4 sacks)

Well, I'd certainly like to see Romo have time to pick apart a defense.

 

[Bluestang]

Well, I'd certainly like to see Romo have time to pick apart a defense.

Everyone would, and the problem is that we've seen glimpses of it happen over the years and as fans we want to see it over the course of the season.

Bottom line, put some stability on the OL and let Romo take over.

 

[Mansta54]

Believe what you want, my friend!!!
I got it from the Friday afternoon's Durritt & Fitzsimmions show on ESPN Dallas from Ed Werder who said he knew it for a fact... Now I know he knows much more than you and some other Homers on this board since he talks directly with folks at VR. Where's your impeccable sources that says JJ didn't dudes...:laugh2:

Dude you believe anything and then repeat it as gospel. Wow!!! Smh!!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I was listening to a sports radio talk show

:bang2:

Stopped reading at sports talk radio. Especially anything coming out of Houston.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

It is pretty well known that JJ orchestrated the new defensive coaches and has undercut RHG by suggesting that he is not going to call plays next season. This is a logical progression. I suspect that he is already crafting a strategy to hire Lovie Smith before the season ends if Garrett falls flat after 8 games this season. IMVHO

 

[Frozen700]

I'm not sure how you reconcile "if Garrett can't make the playoffs with this talent..." with "Jerry is a disaster as GM and talent evaluator" and "Tyron Smith is the only competent O-lineman we have." But somehow that all adds up for some folks.

Boohoo...

Go Cry somewhere else

 

[TwoDeep3]

I'm not sure how you reconcile "if Garrett can't make the playoffs with this talent..." with "Jerry is a disaster as GM and talent evaluator" and "Tyron Smith is the only competent O-lineman we have." But somehow that all adds up for some folks.

Coco - it does not make sense, but people tend to look at the simplistic answer instead of delving deep into the issue and finding the problem.

A coach is only as good as his talent. Some coaches in the right instance can grade up talent for a short time. But ultimately the talent dictates what is thought of the coach without consideration to the talent.

Campo is a prime example. He was not a good head coach, but his 5-11 might have been 8-8 if he had a quarterback that could play.

Conversely, Garrett's 8-8 could be 12-4 if the right players on the lines were put into place.

Did Campo have a lame quarterback, thus keeping him from his high water mark?

Yes.

Same with Garrett and his lines. Although I will say that I believe in Garrett less since he calls the plays and he has shown in seven years that he cannot master this skill set required to win consistently.

But with a competent play caller Garrett could be making the p;lay-offs if the right lines were in place.

Who does that fall on ultimately for assembling those lines and acquiring talent?

And who is the one judging Garrett's performance and making a decision on his tenure?

I believe they are the same guy.

 

[Trajan]

Jerry is not setting Garrett up for failure as Garrett's failure will reflect completely on Jerry. Jerry chose this guy, groomed him, set him up to be the head coach long before he was remotely qualified to lead and is now stuck with him.

Jerry will next season be in the unenviable position of having to confront head on his poor choice. I actually think Garrett may survive an 8-8 season, only because Jerry is not rational and may stick with him just to prove to us he knows more, is the great GM no one acknowledges.

 

[Tabascocat]

Jerry is not setting Garrett up for failure as Garrett's failure will reflect completely on Jerry. Jerry chose this guy, groomed him, set him up to be the head coach long before he was remotely qualified to lead and is now stuck with him.

Jerry will next season be in the unenviable position of having to confront head on his poor choice. I actually think Garrett may survive an 8-8 season, only because Jerry is not rational and may stick with him just to prove to us he knows more, is the great GM no one acknowledges.

I don't think Jerry is setting Jason up to fail either. In fact, he is setting him up to succeed. With that said, if we go 8-8 (no matter how they achieve that) and Garrett survives, I wouldn't know what to say. I will be more disappointed in Jason being HC again in 2014 than going 8-8. I will then officially place all blame on Jerry going forward and not relent. Jerry can't be that hard-headed can he?

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not sure how you reconcile "if Garrett can't make the playoffs with this talent..." with "Jerry is a disaster as GM and talent evaluator" and "Tyron Smith is the only competent O-lineman we have." But somehow that all adds up for some folks.

We can't keep blaming a weakness on the team for Garrett's failures.

He has a QB and thats more than half the battle when it comes to being a success as a head coach.

Put up or shut up time fore Jason.

 

[ufcrules1]

I actually think Garrett may survive an 8-8 season, only because Jerry is not rational and may stick with him just to prove to us he knows more, is the great GM no one acknowledges.

I could see that too. Same thing he does with players, so why not with coaches too?

 

[Doomsday101]

I was listening to a sports radio talk show while I was driving from Houston to Austin and most of the talk was about the Texans ofcourse.

However, they did mention that Jerry is laying the groundwork to dump Garrett by coming out and saying that basically Romo is not being used correctly. That the offense does not take advantage of what he does well and that we are not maximizing the assett we have.

Now the logical conclusion would be if the team goes .500 again, it will not be Romo and his $100 million dollar contract being blamed, it will be Garrett and his "inability to use Romo correctly or come up with an imaginative offense for Romo".

Then Jerry has a legit reason to ditch Garrett, meaning he is not the guy that can create an offense around Romo. Jerry then goes and hires a new HC, presumably with an offensive background, that says he can design an offense around Romo.

Last comment made was if Garrett has not been able to design an offense around Romo in 7 seasons, what makes anybody think he can do it now? And if he can do it now, why was it not done earlier? When you think about it, its kinda a damning comment about Garrett either way which leads some folks to speculate if this is just Jerry laying the groundwork in case he has to ditch Redball.

Do yall agree or disagree?

I don't think Jerry is setting him up for nothing. Bottom line for any HC you win or you lose your job. Garrett is entering his 3rd full season as HC and yes he is under pressure to win, that would be the case with any other HC on any other team. I think Jerry wants Garrett to succeed and be the HC for many years but for that to happen Garrett has to win.

 

[Miller]

I could see that too. Same thing he does with players, so why not with coaches too?

I agree Jerry can do things like this but 8-8 and he is gone. He was having issues with the fan reaction after last season. Another 8-8 and people would not make the stadium a happy place. He'd make a move in a hurry. In fact I think a slow start this season would start getting the ants in Jerry's pants moving.

 

[ufcrules1]

I agree Jerry can do things like this but 8-8 and he is gone. He was having issues with the fan reaction after last season. Another 8-8 and people would not make the stadium a happy place. He'd make a move in a hurry. In fact I think a slow start this season would start getting the ants in Jerry's pants moving.

Yeah, there were a few times at the stadium last year where they would put Jerry or Jason Garrett on the jumbo tron and half the stadium boo'ed.