Is Jerry really such a bad GM?

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I see a whole lot of people dissing Jerry as a GM, but is he really so bad?
There are 31 other teams in the NFL and almost all of them have the so called "real GM" do they not?

How has having a "real GM" helped out organizations such as Cincinnati or Kansas City, etc? Having a football guy as GM does NOT guarantee anything. Too many people think that if only Jerry would step down from his mantle as GM as well as owner, most of the Cowboy's problems would magically be fixed.

I disagree barring very few exceptions. I think Scott Pioli would have been an upgrade, but he is not an option. There just aren't many guaranteed options out there.

I think Jerry has done great in talent acquisition as GM, which is his main job. He has been hit and miss with his HC choices though (hitting on Jimmy and arguably Big Bill and failing on the rest) but guess what, so are most GMs.

Jerry does meddle too much it's true and he creates too many distractions in his quest for publicity, but those are on Jerry Jones the owner IMO, not on him as a GM (after all, even if JJ hired a football guy GM, he would still do these same things - he just cannot help himself).

Jerry as talent acquirer (draft) - Solid A-/B+ over last few years

Jerry as talent acquirer (free agency) - Probably average C+

Jerry as coaching staff hirer - C (considering last 2 = Bill and Wade. Also a lot of assistant coaches are now doing very well out there so he signed off on a lot of coaching talent. Unfortunately, we seem to promote or keep the less talented ones.)

All in all I think Jerry is at worst an average GM, and he could push himself all the way to an above average GM if he'd just once again hire a HC who isn't such a lackey as Wade.
 

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He's been really good at getting good players.

Maybe his downfall was getting a coach that is to much of a softy?

I like Wade but Dallas is a team that naturally gets unfocused and we need a butt kicker at all times with this franchise.
 

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Jerry isn't a bad GM, but he's not the best. His downfall is that his role as owner and his role as GM don't always have the same interests at hand. Owner Jerry has made the Cowboys the second most valuable sports organization in the world, despite years and years of mediocrity. GM Jerry has, of course, directed those years of mediocrity with personnel decisions that keep the team in the news, but not necessarily in the playoffs.
 

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How is Jerry not a "football guy" at this point???

He has been a GM (and owner) in this league for almost 2 decades. I wonder how many other GMs have this amount of experience? (I really do wonder, I am not being facetious).

He is a little wonky when it comes to hiring coaches. But has had some real hits (Jimmy and probably Bill). He is better than average at salary cap (although Stephen does this mainly now) and player acquisition.
 

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masomenos85;2602471 said:
Jerry isn't a bad GM, but he's not the best. His downfall is that his role as owner and his role as GM don't always have the same interests at hand. Owner Jerry has made the Cowboys the second most valuable sports organization in the world, despite years and years of mediocrity. GM Jerry has, of course, directed those years of mediocrity with personnel decisions that keep the team in the news, but not necessarily in the playoffs.
Most valuable last I checked. $1.5 Billion estimated worth.
 

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slotshot;2602477 said:
How is Jerry not a "football guy" at this point???

He has been a GM (and owner) in this league for almost 2 decades. I wonder how many other GMs have this amount of experience? (I really do wonder, I am not being facetious).

He is a little wonky when it comes to hiring coaches. But has had some real hits (Jimmy and probably Bill). He is better than average at salary cap (although Stephen does this mainly now) and player acquisition.

That's got to be rather embarrassing for him to have that much 'experience' and still not have any clue about football matters and how to build a winner.
 

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slotshot;2602477 said:
How is Jerry not a "football guy" at this point???

He has been a GM (and owner) in this league for almost 2 decades. I wonder how many other GMs have this amount of experience? (I really do wonder, I am not being facetious).

He is a little wonky when it comes to hiring coaches. But has had some real hits (Jimmy and probably Bill). He is better than average at salary cap (although Stephen does this mainly now) and player acquisition.

I was just saying what seems to be the general thoughts on here in regards to Jerry not being a football guy. But you are right, he probably is as much a football guy after all this time as most others.
 

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Hostile;2602479 said:
Most valuable last I checked. $1.5 Billion estimated worth.

It's the most valuable NFL franchise, but Manchester United is worth more at $1.8 billion. It is interesting though, 3 of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world are in the NFC East. Of course the team that didn't make it...the Eagles.
 

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Dhragon;2602433 said:
I see a whole lot of people dissing Jerry as a GM, but is he really so bad?
There are 31 other teams in the NFL and almost all of them have the so called "real GM" do they not?

How has having a "real GM" helped out organizations such as Cincinnati or Kansas City, etc? Having a football guy as GM does NOT guarantee anything. Too many people think that if only Jerry would step down from his mantle as GM as well as owner, most of the Cowboy's problems would magically be fixed.

I disagree barring very few exceptions. I think Scott Pioli would have been an upgrade, but he is not an option. There just aren't many guaranteed options out there.

I think Jerry has done great in talent acquisition as GM, which is his main job. He has been hit and miss with his HC choices though (hitting on Jimmy and arguably Big Bill and failing on the rest) but guess what, so are most GMs.

Jerry does meddle too much it's true and he creates too many distractions in his quest for publicity, but those are on Jerry Jones the owner IMO, not on him as a GM (after all, even if JJ hired a football guy GM, he would still do these same things - he just cannot help himself).

Jerry as talent acquirer (draft) - Solid A-/B+ over last few years

Jerry as talent acquirer (free agency) - Probably average C+

Jerry as coaching staff hirer - C (considering last 2 = Bill and Wade. Also a lot of assistant coaches are now doing very well out there so he signed off on a lot of coaching talent. Unfortunately, we seem to promote or keep the less talented ones.)

All in all I think Jerry is at worst an average GM, and he could push himself all the way to an above average GM if he'd just once again hire a HC who isn't such a lackey as Wade.

Why my gosh yes, he is horrid as a GM. His talent acquisition sucks to high heaven.

What is it about Jethro that tickles your fancy on talent acquisition? Is it the way he drafted Fasano with a #2 pick, kept him two years, traded him for a #4 pick and used another #2 pick on another backup TE? All while Fasano established himself as a solid #1 TE on a playoff team?
Or maybe it is the way these draft picks have turned out since "acquisition":James Marten, Isaiah Stanback, Doug Free?
Or Bobby Carpenter, Skyler Green, Patrick Watkins?
Or maybe it is the level of OL backups we have, with Montrae Holland as the "best" we have, along with guys like Cory Proctor, Doug Free (again), Joe Berger, or Pat McQuistan? Is it these guys that you think Jed did so well in acquiring?
Or maybe it is all the wonderful FAs he has acquired recently, guys like;
Brad Johnson, Brooks Bollinger, Pacman Jones, Terrell Owens, Tank Johnson, Richard Bartel.
Dhragon, I have always appreciated your opinions on the Cowboys, but I don't think you thought this post through at all. JJ is absolutely horrid as a GM. Even some of his "good" acquisitions are looking a little iffy right now, ie Tony Romo. I know, I know, a great many posters here worship the ground he walks on. I want results, not regular season stats. (BTW - his regular season stats aren't so hot in November and December and January)

Anyway, nice to see you again dhragon.
 

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Bach;2602492 said:
That's got to be rather embarrassing for him to have that much 'experience' and still not have any clue about football matters and how to build a winner.

There are 21 other teams that have not won a Superbowl since the last time Jerry's team did.

Only 9 teams have won a Superbowl since the Cowboys last did.

Do all those GM's suck as well? Including the Chargers GM that you love so much?
 

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zrinkill;2602515 said:
There are 21 other teams that have not won a Superbowl since the last time Jerry's team did.

Only 9 teams have won a Superbowl since the Cowboys last did.

Do all those GM's suck as well? Including the Chargers GM that you love so much?

How many teams haven't won a playoff game in the last 13 years?

Spin it anyway you want but Jerry has been a terrible GM since he took over in March of 1994.
 
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