Is Jerry really such a bad GM?

[zrinkill]

How many teams haven't won a playoff game in the last 13 years?

Spin it anyway you want but Jerry has been a terrible GM since he took over in March of 1994.

The only one I see spinning is you buddy ..... and its always about this same issue.

 

[Bach]

The only one I see spinning is you buddy ..... and its always about this same issue.

How anyone can defend Jerry after all this time is mindboggling. Other than hiring Jimmy Johnson in 1989, he's been the worst thing to happen to Dallas.

 

[Dhragon]

That's got to be rather embarrassing for him to have that much 'experience' and still not have any clue about football matters and how to build a winner.

13-4 the prior year and 9-7 this year are technically a winning season and thus we were indeed "winners" to some extent. Only 1 team gets to proclaim itself football geniuses each year ( that is slightly over 3% of the teams ) and only 5 different teams won a playoff game this year ( under 16% ). In other words, it is EXTREMELY difficult to be a "winner" in most people's terms who post on this board ( Superbowl or bust ), and it is VERY hard to become one of those rare teams to even get one playoff win each year.

So while I am not optimistic about next year with us so far keeping Wade and Garrett and T.O., I would not be shocked at another season with a winning record or even another playoff appearance. Maybe we'll even get lucky and win one of them there playoff games. Just remember, it is really difficult to even be in that position. It's not as easy as most seem to think.

Even if Jerry were to turn over a whole new leaf and correct EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM we think they might have, more injuries, a bad bounce or two of the football, or horrendous refs might STILL prevent us from going any farther than we have thus far.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

There are 21 other teams that have not won a Superbowl since the last time Jerry's team did.

Only 9 teams have won a Superbowl since the Cowboys last did.

Do all those GM's suck as well? Including the Chargers GM that you love so much?

Well that just make me feel a whole lot better, to know that 21 other teams suck worse than the Cowboys but we still suck! Oh the pride!

I suppose we as Cowboys fans have gone from expecting the best from our team to just being satisfied that we don't suck worse than 21 other teams!

I would think someone in the military would have a higher standard than this mess Jethro puts out every year but you continue to defend him until the bitter end, whenever that is! Unreal!

 

[zrinkill]

I would think someone in the military would have a higher standard than this mess Jethro puts out every year but you continue to defend him until the bitter end, whenever that is! Unreal!

Wow ..... what a cheap shot ..... though I expect nothing better from you.

I defend anyone from this sort of stupidity. Saying Jerry is the worst GM in the league when there are 21 other GM's who are not held to the same kinda standards is stupidity.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Wow ..... what a cheap shot ..... though I expect nothing better from you.

I defend anyone from this sort of stupidity. Saying Jerry is the worst GM in the league when there are 21 other GM's who are not held to the same kinda standards is stupidity.

Not a cheap shot, just the truth, you should have higher standard for the Cowboys than what Jethro's producing! Why you don't and why you defend him is mind boggling to say the least!

 

[zrinkill]

Jerry has always been owner and GM of the Dallas Cowboys since he purchased it in 1989.

He listened to Jimmy the same way he listened to Parcell's ....... Jimmy was just a better coach with better talent.

That quote Bach butchers about only disagreeing with Jimmy one or two times means they were on the same page as far as winning.

When they started having problems Jimmy left.

Without Jerry backing him up Jimmy was never able to repeat the same success he had in Dallas ..... he retired after a horrendous loss in the playoffs.

Jerry has not been able to repeat the same success he had in the early 90's at team building without Jimmy ...... though he did win another Superbowl with the team they BOTH built in 95.

The difference between me and the Jerry Bashers is that I give both men the credit for that early team ..... and recognize that both men were not able to succeed without the other.

Jerry needs to find a "new Jimmy" ...... someone who thinks outside the "box" just like he does, and wants to win at all costs just like he does.

 

[randy932]

Wow ..... what a cheap shot ..... though I expect nothing better from you.

I defend anyone from this sort of stupidity. Saying Jerry is the worst GM in the league when there are 21 other GM's who are not held to the same kinda standards is stupidity.

Question: Has ANY of those other "21" been the GM for 20 years?

Jerry sucks as a GM, no way around it.

 

[zrinkill]

Not a cheap shot, just the truth[/quote]

Since you wanna bring my Military service into this kid ..... how bout you just ignore me.

I have no desire to talk to someone as ignorant and childish as you.

 

[Dhragon]

Why my gosh yes, he is horrid as a GM. His talent acquisition sucks to high heaven.

What is it about Jethro that tickles your fancy on talent acquisition? Is it the way he drafted Fasano with a #2 pick, kept him two years, traded him for a #4 pick and used another #2 pick on another backup TE? All while Fasano established himself as a solid #1 TE on a playoff team?
Or maybe it is the way these draft picks have turned out since "acquisition":James Marten, Isaiah Stanback, Doug Free?
Or Bobby Carpenter, Skyler Green, Patrick Watkins?
Or maybe it is the level of OL backups we have, with Montrae Holland as the "best" we have, along with guys like Cory Proctor, Doug Free (again), Joe Berger, or Pat McQuistan? Is it these guys that you think Jed did so well in acquiring?
Or maybe it is all the wonderful FAs he has acquired recently, guys like;
Brad Johnson, Brooks Bollinger, Pacman Jones, Terrell Owens, Tank Johnson, Richard Bartel.
Dhragon, I have always appreciated your opinions on the Cowboys, but I don't think you thought this post through at all. JJ is absolutely horrid as a GM. Even some of his "good" acquisitions are looking a little iffy right now, ie Tony Romo. I know, I know, a great many posters here worship the ground he walks on. I want results, not regular season stats. (BTW - his regular season stats aren't so hot in November and December and January)

Anyway, nice to see you again dhragon.

Nice to hear from you too randy.

Btw, ALL GM's have a ton of misses. You could go through EVERY team in the NFL over the past 5 years or so and find numerous draft and free agent clunkers. No one is immune. And most of those draft picks you quoted are from the 3rd or 4th round range - not exactly rounds a team gets guaranteed studs. But since you are blaming Jerry for all the misses (even though Bill was thought to be the primary reason for such players as Carpenter and most of the horrid o-line draft picks, then you have to also congratulate Jerry on Witten, Romo, Ware, Ratliff, Big Davis, etc. that are considered Probowl worthy or at least quality players.

However you think of our team, it has been winning more games than it has been losing each year for awhile now. That is hard to do.

Also, most analysts and others still seem to think we have among the most talent in the NFL even with all those clunkers you listed but mainly need to get rid of Wade and T.O. in order to get the most out of that talent. Now you may disagree that we have so much talent, but most in the NFL field seem to think so. That is WITH Jerry as GM.

 

[slotshot]

I just think that the lack of playoff sucess simply cannot be laid entirely at Jerry's feet. Perhaps not even MOSTLY.

I also think that this will, eventually, be a case of not appreciating what we have until it's gone. I truly think that Jerry will be a generally beloved and nostalgic figure a few years after he steps down/kicks the bucket.

I know that appreciating Jerry, while still being mindful of his imperfections, is "mindboggling". However, it remains my personal opinion (as infuriatingly flawed as some might perceive it).

:starspin

 

[zrinkill]

Question: Has ANY of those other "21" been the GM for 20 years?

How many have 3 SB rings?

 

[Hostile]

This will upset a lot of people.

Jerry is only a bad GM to people who have no idea what a GM does.

He makes smart trades.
The Cap is being managed well.
We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.
We are drafting well.

Those are the duties of a GM and he is fulfilling those duties. Some expect him to have a magic wand because we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Is he perfect? Hell no. Is any other GM? Echo that no.

I'm fine with the job he is doing because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the action on the field or the record. The problem is the coaching and execution of the players. A dim bulb will read this and remind me that he acquires the coaching and players thinking this means he has a gun to their heads.

Mine will not be a popular opinion. I could give a hang.

 

[zrinkill]

This will upset a lot of people.

Jerry is only a bad GM to people who have no idea what a GM does.

He makes smart trades.
The Cap is being managed well.
We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.
We are drafting well.

Those are the duties of a GM and he is fulfilling those duties. Some expect him to have a magic wand because we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Is he perfect? Hell no. Is any other GM? Echo that no.

I'm fine with the job he is doing because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the action on the field or the record. The problem is the coaching and execution of the players. A dim bulb will read this and remind me that he acquires the coaching and players thinking this means he has a gun to their heads.

Mine will not be a popular opinion. I could give a hang.

Great post.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

The difference between me and the Jerry Bashers is that I give both men the credit for that early team ..... and recognize that both men were not able to succeed without the other.

That's fine, for the past but I'm talking about now! He's not even trying to win or atleast produce a atmosphere of disipline $100 fines is a perfect example of it.

Jerry needs to find a "new Jimmy" ...... someone who thinks outside the "box" just like he does, and wants to win at all costs just like he does.

His recent actions or non actions show he's not remotely interested in finding a "real" coach by sticking with Dumplin' Wade! Though they aren't really who I would like for HC but Shanahan and Gruden, either would be a infinite upgrade over the Dumplin'! I used to think Jerry really wanted to win but was just incompetant but now I really don't think he cares about anything but moolah$$$$$$$$$$!

 

[Bach]

I'm fine with the job he is doing because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the action on the field or the record. The problem is the coaching and execution of the players. A dim bulb will read this and remind me that he acquires the coaching and players thinking this means he has a gun to their heads.

Mine will not be a popular opinion. I could give a hang.

:laugh2:

Heaven forbid someone remind you he hires the coaches which might translate to the problem with the coaching.

The drafting has been better, not because Jerry is better at evaluating but because the men who evaluate are better than the idiots like Lacewell that Jerry used to rely on.

And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, team chemistry does matter. Bringing bad characters into the equation, hiring a weak HC and then undermining him by hiring many on his staff and giving him no real authority, letting players come to him and bypassing/overruling the HC, not to mention the actual circus he brings to the Ranch, this all translate into a dysfunctional atmosphere and it rests with the owner/GM.

 

[Hostile]

:laugh2:

Heaven forbid someone remind you he hires the coaches which might translate to the problem with the coaching.

The drafting has been better, not because Jerry is better at evaluating but because the men who evaluate are better than the idiots like Lacewell that Jerry used to rely on.

And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, team chemistry does matter. Bringing bad characters into the equation, hiring a weak HC and then undermining him by hiring many on his staff and giving him no real authority, letting players come to him and bypassing/overruling the HC, , this all translate into a dysfunctional atmosphere and it rests with the owner/GM.

Tons better than Lacewell. I don't deny that.

Who hired Ciskowski, Ireland, Brian Gaine, et al?

I never said chemistry doesn't matter. Not once.

 

[randy932]

Nice to hear from you too randy.

Btw, ALL GM's have a ton of misses. You could go through EVERY team in the NFL over the past 5 years or so and find numerous draft and free agent clunkers. No one is immune. And most of those draft picks you quoted are from the 3rd or 4th round range - not exactly rounds a team gets guaranteed studs. But since you are blaming Jerry for all the misses (even though Bill was thought to be the primary reason for such players as Carpenter and most of the horrid o-line draft picks, then you have to also congratulate Jerry on Witten, Romo, Ware, Ratliff, Big Davis, etc. that are considered Probowl worthy or at least quality players.

However you think of our team, it has been winning more games than it has been losing each year for awhile now. That is hard to do.

Also, most analysts and others still seem to think we have among the most talent in the NFL even with all those clunkers you listed but mainly need to get rid of Wade and T.O. in order to get the most out of that talent. Now you may disagree that we have so much talent, but most in the NFL field seem to think so. That is WITH Jerry as GM.

A lot of what you say is true, but, I just disagree 100% on Jerry. He is horrible as a GM. Keep in mind that is in his role as GM that he is keeping Wade as a HC. BTW - as I said, I am not one of the mindless guys that worship at the feet of Hollywood Romeo. He has shown me so far that he can put up numbers in the warm weather at the first of the year, and gradually backslide to Quincy Carter ability by the time the playoffs get here. I think it is possible he could turn it around, but with each passing el stinko game, it becomes less and less likely.

I agree that with a different HC, one with authority that a HC should have, we probably would be in the upper class of the NFL. But it is Jerry as a GM that is keeping Wade around as the head puppet. I would not be shocked at
7-9 this coming year without major changes, including a new HC.

 

[Bach]

I never said chemistry doesn't matter. Not once.

Yeah, you didn't mention it at all. Even though it is a real problem in Dallas and something Jerry helped perpetuate.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, you didn't mention it at all. Even though it is a real problem in Dallas and something Jerry helped perpetuate.

Jerry kills baby seals and causes global warming.

I hope that satisfies your insane bloodlust. I'm going to discuss football facts. Continue with your witch hunt.