Is Jerry really such a bad GM?

[Bach]

Jerry kills baby seals and causes global warming.

I hope that satisfies your insane bloodlust. I'm going to discuss football facts. Continue with your witch hunt.

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen you post.

As for Jerry, his record as GM since '94 speaks for itself. He's truly been the worst thing that has happened to this franchise in that time.

I know that isn't popular around here, but I don't give a hang.

 

[Hostile]

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen you post.

As for Jerry, his record as GM since '94 speaks for itself. He's truly been the worst thing that has happened to this franchise in that time.

I know that isn't popular around here, but I don't give a hang.

I've posted much dumber stuff. I am open to my own faults. Never been myopic in my life.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It's nice that the multiple thread approach has moved from Romo, Garrett, or TO and now is with Jerry.

I wonder which single individual will get the multiple thread approach next. Maybe we'll see 10 or 12 threads, saying the exact same things in all of them pretty much, about Bobby Carpenter next.

 

[randy932]

This will upset a lot of people.

Jerry is only a bad GM to people who have no idea what a GM does.

He makes smart trades.
The Cap is being managed well.
We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.
We are drafting well.

Those are the duties of a GM and he is fulfilling those duties. Some expect him to have a magic wand because we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Is he perfect? Hell no. Is any other GM? Echo that no.

I'm fine with the job he is doing because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the action on the field or the record. The problem is the coaching and execution of the players. A dim bulb will read this and remind me that he acquires the coaching and players thinking this means he has a gun to their heads.

Mine will not be a popular opinion. I could give a hang.

He makes smart trades. - LMAO Whatever you say. Trade away a totally serviceable backup TE that was drafted with a #2 pick, receive a #4 pick for him, then use ANOTHER #2 pick for ANOTHER backup TE. Brilliant!
Bring in Pacman Jone, a KNOWN trouble maker POS, and give the Titans a 5th (6th?) for him, we coulda had him for nothing, or we could have gotten the same production from Casper the ghost for nothing.

The Cap is being managed well. - Yeah buddy,that is why TO, Ellis, Roy Williams I, ( all players being talked about by the team as possible dumps) have huge cap hits if we actually do dump them. And anyway, the Cap is handled by the team President, Stephen Jones.

We do not lose true talent to Free Agency. - Okay, perhaps this is dependent on your definition of "true talent". We lost Matt Moore in order to keep Joe Berger LMAO!. We have Brad Johnson instead, hooray!! We lost Sporano to Miami for Wade Phillips, hooray!!

We are drafting well. - Well, we did last year, at least. In 2007 - well 3 out of 8 ain't too bad, huh? Spencer, Folk, and Deon Anderson are pretty good picks. Marten, Stanback, Free, Courtney Bown, and Alan Ball - meh, not so much.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Jerry sucks as a GM. Not as much as he used to, but he still sucks at it.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

It's nice that the multiple thread approach has moved from Romo, Garrett, or TO and now is with Jerry.

It's always good to get to the root of a problem!

 

[Hostile]

He makes smart trades. - LMAO Whatever you say. Trade away a totally serviceable backup TE that was drafted with a #2 pick, receive a #4 pick for him, then use ANOTHER #2 pick for ANOTHER backup TE. Brilliant!

I was talking about Draft day trades since they are the more common variety. I posted last year about how little we paid in trades and how we got more value back. Overall his trades have worked out well. The #4 we got back from Miami ended up being Tashard Choice. I'll take Choice and Bennett over Fasano any day.

Bring in Pacman Jone, a KNOWN trouble maker POS, and give the Titans a 5th (6th?) for him, we coulda had him for nothing, or we could have gotten the same production from Casper the ghost for nothing.

Never liked Pacman here. How many other GMs do you know who would have pulled off the getting the draft pick back clause? It was a gamble. One that didn't pay off, but di not hurt us either and he smartly hedged his bets by also drafting a CB in the 1st and then stealing another in the 5th. Net impact to the team...a 6th round pick. Whoop dee freaking doo.

The Cap is being managed well.

- Yeah buddy,that is why TO, Ellis, Roy Williams I, ( all players being talked about by the team as possible dumps) have huge cap hits if we actually do dump them. And anyway, the Cap is handled by the team President, Stephen Jones.

Ellis isn't being talked about as being dumped.

Roy Williams contract will likely be renegotiated. Dumping him is actually a saving of 2.5 million, so what the hell are you babbling about?

I doubt very seriously TO gets dumped.

Mush ado about nothing.

We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.

- Okay, perhaps this is dependent on your definition of "true talent". We lost Matt Moore in order to keep Joe Berger LMAO!. We have Brad Johnson instead, hooray!! We lost Sporano to Miami for Wade Phillips, hooray!!

Do you even know what Free Agency is? Tony Sparano was not a free agent. He was a coach on the staff, free to take a job promotion anywhere he chose.

Matt Moore was a mistake, but show me where he lit up the NFL and show me where he was a valuable Free Agent that we lost. We waived him in the hope we could sign him back to the Practice Squad. He was an unproven commodity, nothing more.

These aren't examples of "valuable free agents." I'm talking about not losing guys like Marion Barber, Tony Romo, Terence Newman, et al. Want examples of teams losing valuable talent? Look at the NFC Champion. They lost Leonard Davis to us. He's only been a blassing.

We are drafting well.

- Well, we did last year, at least. In 2007 - well 3 out of 8 ain't too bad, huh? Spencer, Folk, and Deon Anderson are pretty good picks. Marten, Stanback, Free, Courtney Bown, and Alan Ball - meh, not so much.

All of those not so much's except Marten are still on the team. So I see it was 7 out of 8. If we can get better, do it. While on the team they still have value.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Jerry sucks as a GM. Not as much as he used to, but he still sucks at it.

I can agree to disagree. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

 

[JimDandy]

Yes he is. Next.

 

[Alexander]

This will upset a lot of people.

Jerry is only a bad GM to people who have no idea what a GM does.

He makes smart trades.
The Cap is being managed well.
We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.
We are drafting well.

Those are the duties of a GM and he is fulfilling those duties. Some expect him to have a magic wand because we are the Dallas Cowboys.

You left out the hiring of the coaching staff aspect. You lump that in he gets two As and a couple of Cs and an F.

He is responsible for the culture and direction of the franchise also, but that falls more into the realm of the owner than the general manager in the purest sense.

 

[alancdc]

My problem is this...Is he too generous with signing bonus money , and contracts in general? Is it better to sometimes, on a case by case deal, to let a guy walk even if he is a really good player. I know the Steelers do this, and plug another guy right in. This can be a scary proposition, I understand. To be comfortable doing this you would have to be extremely confident that you have the guys in place to make smart draft picks or FA pick ups. Maybe you should just sign 'em and believe that they will play as hard as they did before getting their big pay day. Novel concept.

 

[Hostile]

This will upset a lot of people.

Jerry is only a bad GM to people who have no idea what a GM does.

He makes smart trades.
The Cap is being managed well.
We do not lose true talent to Free Agency.
We are drafting well.

Those are the duties of a GM and he is fulfilling those duties. Some expect him to have a magic wand because we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Is he perfect? Hell no. Is any other GM? Echo that no.

I'm fine with the job he is doing because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the action on the field or the record. The problem is the coaching and execution of the players. A dim bulb will read this and remind me that he acquires the coaching and players thinking this means he has a gun to their heads.

Mine will not be a popular opinion. I could give a hang.

You left out the hiring of the coaching staff aspect. You lump that in he gets two As and a couple of Cs and an F.

He is responsible for the culture and direction of the franchise also, but that falls more into the realm of the owner than the general manager in the purest sense.

Uh, no I didn't.

 

[irvin4evs]

Anyone crapping on the Fasano trade is dense. Bennett is a far better player and he was a raw rookie.

We traded an average TE and a LB we were gonna cut for a pick that was equivalent to the last pick in the 3rd round. That's a good deal.

Jason Ferguson for a 6th, on the other hand...

 

[wileedog]

These aren't examples of "valuable free agents." I'm talking about not losing guys like Marion Barber, Tony Romo, Terence Newman, et al.

Those guys got paid. Barber got feature back money despite never starting a whole season. Romo wasn't going anywhere and got huge bucks. Jerry routinely sets the market for himself by spending a year before a player walks, and sometimes he winds up overpaying horribly. Flozell's contract could be a perfect example. Another injury prone year and you have to question the long term extension to Newman, a CB on the wrong side of 30. Or even extending TO for four years - cancers aside, a 4 year deal for a 35 year old WR?

Its no great GM shakes when you also happen to be the owner and can throw money around at will. That offensive line he locked in the last two years was absolutely horrid this year, and nobody is leaving from it anytime soon because of the contracts he dished out.

Want examples of teams losing valuable talent? Look at the NFC Champion. They lost Leonard Davis to us. He's only been a blassing..

Because they tried to make him a tackle and he was not good at it. They miss him so much they are in the Super Bowl.

And again, I fail to see the shrewdness in the fact that you have the ability to throw $50M at a Guard.

 

[slotshot]

randy932 said:

"We do not lose true talent to Free Agency. - Okay, perhaps this is dependent on your definition of "true talent". We lost Matt Moore in order to keep Joe Berger LMAO!. We have Brad Johnson instead, hooray!! We lost Sporano to Miami for Wade Phillips, hooray!!"

Did you really intend to use this odd and weak of an example when you first started writing this response? Please name the proven good player we let get away.

Also, randy932 said:

"We are drafting well. - Well, we did last year, at least. In 2007 - well 3 out of 8 ain't too bad, huh? Spencer, Folk, and Deon Anderson are pretty good picks. Marten, Stanback, Free, Courtney Bown, and Alan Ball - meh, not so much."

Another odd example...a random selection of late round picks. Overall, the Cowboys are , rightfully, credited as one of the better drafting teams. When folks say we are "loaded with talent", much of that does come from the draft.


Anyway, I would say that the difference I have seen in the previous posts is that Jerry's "supporters" point out both the bad AND good aspects of his tenure as owner/manager. His detractors seem to be a bit more absolute in their utter venom towards the guy.

 

[adbutcher]

:laugh2:

 

[randy932]

randy932 said:

"We do not lose true talent to Free Agency. - Okay, perhaps this is dependent on your definition of "true talent". We lost Matt Moore in order to keep Joe Berger LMAO!. We have Brad Johnson instead, hooray!! We lost Sporano to Miami for Wade Phillips, hooray!!"

Did you really intend to use this odd and weak of an example when you first started writing this response? Please name the proven good player we let get away.

Also, randy932 said:

"We are drafting well. - Well, we did last year, at least. In 2007 - well 3 out of 8 ain't too bad, huh? Spencer, Folk, and Deon Anderson are pretty good picks. Marten, Stanback, Free, Courtney Bown, and Alan Ball - meh, not so much."

Another odd example...a random selection of late round picks. Overall, the Cowboys are , rightfully, credited as one of the better drafting teams. When folks say we are "loaded with talent", much of that does come from the draft.


Anyway, I would say that the difference I have seen in the previous posts is that Jerry's "supporters" point out both the bad AND good aspects of his tenure as owner/manager. His detractors seem to be a bit more absolute in their utter venom towards the guy.

The first example.) Yes, that particular example is not that strong. Then again, neither was Hostile's version of it either. I was talking in relative terms. Matt Moore, as compared to Brad Johnson, is a huge loss in "talent".

The second example.) Random selection of late picks!!?!?? A third and two fourths definitely do not qualify as "late picks. The other two were indeed #7s, but to me 7th round picks are still decent picks, considering the NFL used to pick 12 rounds not so long ago. Have it your way. seventh round picks are late rounds so they don't count then huh? Okay, that leaves 3 out of six as poor picks. Then we should always just throw away the seventh round picks because they are just "late round picks" and are not valuable.

I personally have venom for Jerry Jones, the GM of the Cowboys. I generally think well of Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys. I think each stance is well merited.

 

[Dhragon]

Jerry's biggest fault right now IMO and I'm sure others agree is him keeping Wade as HC. If he would just dump Wade and hire Shanahan or Gruden or someone else like that, there would be hope again.

But remember, and I'm guessing this is what Jerry is banking on, Coughlin year before last was under supreme fire and just about everyone (especially in NY) thought he should be fired. The lockerroom was a mess (according to Tiki) and Eli had no leadership. Sound familiar.

But the Giants kept Coughlin, he DID change according to various reports, and the Giants won the Superbowl. The lockerroom is now hunky dorry supposedly and Eli is now a leader I guess.

Jerry is probably thinking the same thing will happen with us (though he has YET to dump T.O. as NY dumped Shockey- but he doesn't need to just yet. Wait and see if T.O. is still on the roster when his bonus comes due).

Not saying I wouldn't dump Wade - I would. But Jerry might be thinking he can pull a Giants and that might be why he is giving Wade another chance. And it might even work. We don't KNOW for a fact it won't work(though I wouldn't bet a plug nickle on it myself).

 

[Hostile]

Those guys got paid. Barber got feature back money despite never starting a whole season. Romo wasn't going anywhere and got huge bucks. Jerry routinely sets the market for himself by spending a year before a player walks, and sometimes he winds up overpaying horribly. Flozell's contract could be a perfect example. Another injury prone year and you have to question the long term extension to Newman, a CB on the wrong side of 30. Or even extending TO for four years - cancers aside, a 4 year deal for a 35 year old WR?

Its no great GM shakes when you also happen to be the owner and can throw money around at will. That offensive line he locked in the last two years was absolutely horrid this year, and nobody is leaving from it anytime soon because of the contracts he dished out.



Because they tried to make him a tackle and he was not good at it. They miss him so much they are in the Super Bowl.

And again, I fail to see the shrewdness in the fact that you have the ability to throw $50M at a Guard.

Aw, so the Cardinals should be propped up for failing to realize Davis was a Guard.

Gotcha.

 

[Dhragon]

The first example.) Yes, that particular example is not that strong. Then again, neither was Hostile's version of it either. I was talking in relative terms. Matt Moore, as compared to Brad Johnson, is a huge loss in "talent".

The second example.) Random selection of late picks!!?!?? A third and two fourths definitely do not qualify as "late picks. The other two were indeed #7s, but to me 7th round picks are still decent picks, considering the NFL used to pick 12 rounds not so long ago. Have it your way. seventh round picks are late rounds so they don't count then huh? Okay, that leaves 3 out of six as poor picks. Then we should always just throw away the seventh round picks because they are just "late round picks" and are not valuable.

I personally have venom for Jerry Jones, the GM of the Cowboys. I generally think well of Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys.

Wasn't Crayton and Ratliff 7th rounders. Rat might have been 6th, not sure. But it appears we do better with late round picks than most.

 

[slotshot]

The second example.) Random selection of late picks!!?!?? A third and two fourths definitely do not qualify as "late picks. The other two were indeed #7s, but to me 7th round picks are still decent picks, considering the NFL used to pick 12 rounds not so long ago. Have it your way. seventh round picks are late rounds so they don't count then huh? Okay, that leaves 3 out of six as poor picks. Then we should always just throw away the seventh round picks because they are just "late round picks" and are not valuable.

I suppose if you want to characterize Jerry's drafting by second day picks in '07...I guess you have made your point well.

I would probably use more than this limited scope...for example, some gems came out of the second day in '05 and '06. Barber, Ratliff and Canty to name three. These, coupled with the excellent draft (which you have already pointed out) in '08 would seem to disagree with your thesis.

Of course, I think you are also over-focusing on second day/late round picks in your analysis. However, you certainly have a right to your opinion. I simply happen to disagree.

 

[randy932]

The second example.) Random selection of late picks!!?!?? A third and two fourths definitely do not qualify as "late picks. The other two were indeed #7s, but to me 7th round picks are still decent picks, considering the NFL used to pick 12 rounds not so long ago. Have it your way. seventh round picks are late rounds so they don't count then huh? Okay, that leaves 3 out of six as poor picks. Then we should always just throw away the seventh round picks because they are just "late round picks" and are not valuable.

I suppose if you want to characterize Jerry's drafting by second day picks in '07...I guess you have made your point well.

I would probably use more than this limited scope...for example, some gems came out of the second day in '05 and '06. Barber, Ratliff and Canty to name three. These, coupled with the excellent draft (which you have already pointed out) in '08 would seem to disagree with your thesis.

Of course, I think you are also over-focusing on second day/late round picks in your analysis. However, you certainly have a right to your opinion. I simply happen to disagree.

I am perfectly capable of talking about any year's draft. I have already stated that 2008 was a very good draft. I think 2007 was not, 3 out of 8 picks are decent, the others have not contributed in any meaningful way. You bring up 2005 - yes a pretty good draft, Spears is questionable at the #2, but overall, an okay draft. You also point out 2006 - a horrible draft. The only one worth ANYTHING that is still with the team is Jason Hatcher. Barbie Carpenter - one of the worst draft picks in the last twenty years by the Cowboys - a #1 pick, sucks. #2 - Fasano, I liked him okay, stupidly traded for a #4. Skyler green - horrible pick. Patsy Watkins - wasted pick. Montavious Stanley - wasted pick, Pat McQuistan - much ballyhooed bust, EJ Whitley - wasted pick. A totally horrible draft, one decent player in Jason Hatcher. Oh, and another that Jones idiotically traded away for less than value.