Is Jones Capable of being a good Corner?

Macnalty

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I expected to see more out of Jones at this point in his career with the cowboys, he is solid but IMO has not earned a path to that fifth year option at this point in time. He practices against great WR's and the coaching vastly improved with the addition of Greg Jackson last year. Third year and he should be all he can be this season. Hoping for the best.
 

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Scouts are ones saying those 3 drafted players are not outside CBs. Anthony Brown showed ridiculous speed at combine so some felt he could be outside guy.

What scouts? My own observations from watching tape and reading other analysis all point to Awuzie and Lewis having the skills to play either outside or in the slot. Nowhere have I read otherwise. Not quite sure where you're getting slot only.
 

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What scouts? My own observations from watching tape and reading other analysis all point to Awuzie and Lewis having the skills to play either outside or in the slot. Nowhere have I read otherwise. Not quite sure where you're getting slot only.

Lewis is too small for outside. The slot position is made for him. I expect him to be all-pro player at that position. Awuzie I am not totally sure on because he doesn't really have quick twitch movements you like to see on outside. I think he is great tackler and plays tough. Thats why I see him as safety. He also played LB at times in college. For outside CB, I see brown & Carroll for this year with Dallas possible upgrading Carroll position next FA or Draft. The scouts I mentioned were posted often on twitter but I don't keep those tweets.
 

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Scouts are ones saying those 3 drafted players are not outside CBs. Anthony Brown showed ridiculous speed at combine so some felt he could be outside guy.
Are they cowboy scouts? Because I doubt Dallas drafted awuzie to play the slot. Lewis might start there but he will be outside soon.
 

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Lewis is too small for outside. The slot position is made for him. I expect him to be all-pro player at that position. Awuzie I am not totally sure on because he doesn't really have quick twitch movements you like to see on outside. I think he is great tackler and plays tough. Thats why I see him as safety. He also played LB at times in college. For outside CB, I see brown & Carroll for this year with Dallas possible upgrading Carroll position next FA or Draft. The scouts I mentioned were posted often on twitter but I don't keep those tweets.

Chris Harris and Janoris Jenkins are both also 5'10 and are two of the better cover corners in the league. They do it with physicality, tenaciousness, and great mirror skills - all traits Lewis also possesses. While I do agree his height and lack of elite lift makes him better suited for the slot, but far from a slot only guy who can't play outside.

Awuzie was a SPARQ hero at the combine and had a top 10 times in both the 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle so his lack of twitch you claim is false. He is certainly versatile enough to line up anywhere but I think his best is outside corner.

For me, the optimal alignment is Brown and Awuzie outside with Lewis in the slot. That won't be the opening day lineup but towards the end of the year and especially next year, that is what we will be looking at.
 

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He's capable of being either a CB or S. And he's one of the better players on our defense already. No reason to move him.

If you're ever in doubt about Byron Jones, just remember Darren Woodson raving about him. That'll tell you more than fans irritated about one extended play in the GB playoff game:

Woodson, on whether Byron Jones should move to corner: "No. To me, he's the MVP of the defense. I know Sean Lee gets a lot of credit, but you're asking Byron Jones to play three different positions. He's playing the safety spot. When Orlando Scandrick goes down, he's coming in to the nickel. He's covering the slot receiver. Sometimes he's coming in to play corner. He covers the tight end on matchups. He does everything for that team. I can't tell you how hard that is. I know personally how hard that is, because I played the safety position, corner, slot, the linebacker as well. It's a hard transition to go from one hat to the next in the same game. You really have to be mentally checked in. Byron Jones is in his second year, and you're asking him to do a lot. To me he's the MVP of that defense.

"Great kid, wants to be better, asks a lot of questions about how he can get better. Tremendous athlete. I tell him, at some point you have to put some weight on. He's just one of the great athletes in the NFL, and he doesn't get a lot of credit for what he can do.

"The offenses spread you out, your safety has to cover. Look at the Super Bowl champs. What do they do? They get you in open spread situations, and if you can't cover, they're gonna find your weakest link."​
 

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Chris Harris and Janoris Jenkins are both also 5'10 and are two of the better cover corners in the league. They do it with physicality, tenaciousness, and great mirror skills - all traits Lewis also possesses. While I do agree his height and lack of elite lift makes him better suited for the slot, but far from a slot only guy who can't play outside.

Awuzie was a SPARQ hero at the combine and had a top 10 times in both the 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle so his lack of twitch you claim is false. He is certainly versatile enough to line up anywhere but I think his best is outside corner.

For me, the optimal alignment is Brown and Awuzie outside with Lewis in the slot. That won't be the opening day lineup but towards the end of the year and especially next year, that is what we will be looking at.

Janoris Jenkins is 200 lb guy who is very physical at CB. Lewis is about 175 lbs and not nearly as physical. That just isn't his game. Lewis actually isn't that fast either. He is more quick than fast with elite coverage skills. I haven't seen one scout who thought he is outside CB - almost all see him as perfect fit for slot.

Awuzie greatest attribute is his versatility. As I mentioned he even played some LB in college. Do I think he could play outside CB? Yes but I don't think he would be great there and would diminish what he does best and that's being sure tackler, physical with some intimidation. Look I know everyone wants RDE & outside Corner from this draft but I don't think they got either. I do think they got tough players who love football and will make Dallas better team.
 

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He did play corner for us his rookie year. He can be average to good but I doubt great to be honest.
 

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Lewis is too small for outside. The slot position is made for him. I expect him to be all-pro player at that position. Awuzie I am not totally sure on because he doesn't really have quick twitch movements you like to see on outside. I think he is great tackler and plays tough. Thats why I see him as safety. He also played LB at times in college. For outside CB, I see brown & Carroll for this year with Dallas possible upgrading Carroll position next FA or Draft. The scouts I mentioned were posted often on twitter but I don't keep those tweets.


Ummmm quick twitch? Awuzie has plenty of speed and quickness to play corner. He ran a sub 4.4 and has made countless pass defense to prove otherwise. He just happens to tackle very well also. He is a perfect fit for Marinelli's defense.
 

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Janoris Jenkins is 200 lb guy who is very physical at CB. Lewis is about 175 lbs and not nearly as physical. That just isn't his game. Lewis actually isn't that fast either. He is more quick than fast with elite coverage skills. I haven't seen one scout who thought he is outside CB - almost all see him as perfect fit for slot.

Awuzie greatest attribute is his versatility. As I mentioned he even played some LB in college. Do I think he could play outside CB? Yes but I don't think he would be great there and would diminish what he does best and that's being sure tackler, physical with some intimidation. Look I know everyone wants RDE & outside Corner from this draft but I don't think they got either. I do think they got tough players who love football and will make Dallas better team.

Lewis weighed in at 188, not 175. He may not be a burner, but he's plenty fast enough. So he's quick with elite cover skills and good speed, but he can't play outside? Aren't elite cover skills the most important trait to play corner that work whether outside or in the slot? And we agree he is perfect as a slot corner, but I believe he could be a great outside corner too. We'll agree to disagree there.

I never saw Awuzie line up as a LB. Box safety near the LOS, sure, but I don't think LB would be accurate. I haven't seen every game, so they may have had some packages where he was a LB but I only ever saw a box safety. His cover skills are too good to put him at safety. In my opinion, it'd be a waste moving him full time to SS. His best spot is as an outside corner in a zone scheme. Again, I respect your opinion but we'll once again agree to disagree.
 

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Wish people would leave the posistion placing to coaches. Jones is the biggest reason this team doesnt allow big plays. Because he's always back there in posistion to take away the deep route. Marinelli's defense has never had a S who was a big INT guy. Why? Because the SS primary duty is to stop the run. And the FS primary job is to play center field and prevent anything big. So Jones first job is to help with the deep and force the QB to go underneith primarily in the middle.

Think alot of people really need to study this defense because too many people are trying to think of ways for posistions that just arent there in the scheme.

This. Jones has pretty much eliminated the deep ball that uses to burn us all the time.

He's has been very impressive back there.

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I just don't get this. He was obliterated by Jordan Reed for what 83 catches and 738 yards? He had a couple of decent games against TEs but he has not been a good safety. The only thing he hasn't done is commit a bonehead play. I swear we've become so used to poor play that when someone is mediocre they are suddenly "good".
So is your argument that an elite safety/corner should NEVER have a bad game against another elite receiver?
For the record (and I know you were employing hyperbole), Jordan Reed in the first game had 5 catches for 70 and no touchdowns. In the second game he had 10 for 95 and 2 touchdowns.
Jordan Reed has been in the league four years to Jones' two. And Jones started playing safety full time in 2016.
I'm sorry, but I'm not one who relegates players to the land of mediocrity because an equally talented player gets the best of him in a game or two.
Michael Irvin got the best of Deion Sanders in a few of the games the two played against each other. I wouldn't exactly call Deion worthless - his interviewing skills notwithstanding. ;)
 

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I don't think he returns to corner. Despite what many say here, Jones was a darn good safety. Darren Woodson said so himself. I think most of us see the lack of interceptions and downgrade him. Those will come as the pressure from the front four increases.
I think he matches up well against athletic tight ends both in terms of speed and size.
Besides, he's a jack-of-all-trades, which is why he may not be able to master both positions as of now. I think he gets better as he assumes a permanent role as a safety.
Dont be surprised if much to the chagrin of many Jones is extended before next season. And he should be
 

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Lewis is too small for outside. The slot position is made for him. I expect him to be all-pro player at that position. Awuzie I am not totally sure on because he doesn't really have quick twitch movements you like to see on outside. I think he is great tackler and plays tough. Thats why I see him as safety. He also played LB at times in college. For outside CB, I see brown & Carroll for this year with Dallas possible upgrading Carroll position next FA or Draft. The scouts I mentioned were posted often on twitter but I don't keep those tweets.
You keep repeating garbage. You do realize players smaller than Lewis are outside corners right?
 

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If we could play Jones at corner, that would solve a big issue from where I can see it. Brown and Jones at Corner, then the other guys can play safety and slot.

CB: Jones, Brown, Carrol
Safeties: Awuzie, Woods, Heath, Frazier
Slot guys: Lewis, Scandric

I just don't see Jones as a ball hawking safety. Awuzie might impress as a strong safety around the line of scrimmage.

So a ball hawking corner?
 

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I don't see the point. You would be taking a college CB and moving him to Safety and moving your current Safety to CB. If they are both on the field either way, then if Awuzie's ball-hawking is on the field either way.

They lose a year plus of Jones learning Safety and then have to teach Awuzie to play Safety. With an already young defensive backfield, that just more they have to learn.

I think we can expect to see marked improvement from Jones with the talent infusion on the defensive side of the football. He's already pretty good.
 

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Janoris Jenkins is 200 lb guy who is very physical at CB. Lewis is about 175 lbs and not nearly as physical. That just isn't his game. Lewis actually isn't that fast either. He is more quick than fast with elite coverage skills. I haven't seen one scout who thought he is outside CB - almost all see him as perfect fit for slot.

Awuzie greatest attribute is his versatility. As I mentioned he even played some LB in college. Do I think he could play outside CB? Yes but I don't think he would be great there and would diminish what he does best and that's being sure tackler, physical with some intimidation. Look I know everyone wants RDE & outside Corner from this draft but I don't think they got either. I do think they got tough players who love football and will make Dallas better team.
Jenkins weighed 5 more pounds than Lewis. Stop lying to cover up you talking out of your *** lol. And you can add Malcolm Butler to the list of short outside corners as well. He ran 4.62 at his pro day. Do your verbal gymnastics on that one.
 

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I love when i read other teams game threads. They all talk about how much they wish they had Byron Jones as their safety. Then come here and hes a jag according to some. Give him one more year before we all turn on him. Looks like hes going to have a solid Dline this year. Also hes only been at Safety for 1 season. His 1st year he was moved all over the defensive backfield.

Right. Its funny actually. Most folks dont know what the hell their talking about
 

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I'd trade jones and a third round draft pick for Landon Collins. Giants win cause of all the positional flexibility Jones provides and we win cause we get a catalytic young pro-bowler with ball hawking, quarterback sacking, super tackling skills.

Let's make it happen.
 
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