Is Murray fiddling while two teams "burn?"

gimmesix

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Our running game has been, "meh." Randle is playing with a lot of guts but Darren looks better.

I do not know how anyone can draw the conclusion that McFadden has looked better than Randle. McFadden has only had two decent runs when the offensive line parted the waters for him. Randle showed determination to fight off defenders for extra yardage and the ability to improvise when the play broke down. Those traits make Randle the better back for now. McFadden needs to show something more than the ability to burst through a big opening.
 

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[quote="Risen Star, post: 6286898, member: 5331"]He barely got touched against the Giants and needed a shot to play the next week. He didn't take many hits against the Eagles and he's now out with a broken collarbone. He's breaking down physically.

Someone needs to shake the Jones twins. Our QB situation will be dire very soon.[/quote]

Ummm.... he got smashed in the back... twice. :huh:
 

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I do not know how anyone can draw the conclusion that McFadden has looked better than Randle. McFadden has only had two decent runs when the offensive line parted the waters for him. Randle showed determination to fight off defenders for extra yardage and the ability to improvise when the play broke down. Those traits make Randle the better back for now. McFadden needs to show something more than the ability to burst through a big opening.

I respect that. It's just my opinion that Darren has looked better. Neither has broken out but is that our Oline, playcalling or them? That remains to be seen.
 

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Murray made a bad football decision and a good financial one. He can play for a crappy team that can barely block for him and get scarcely any yards and then laugh his way to the bank. Play for a couple years and then retire insanely rich. Oh, wait, he made the change to give him the best chance to go to the Super Bowl, hahahahahahahahahahahaha. :LOL:
 

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I started watching the game with a bit of an annoyance yesterday. Fox reported that Romo had to take a shot before the game which perked my ears up and had me watching his movements. He didn't look comfortable and my wife giggled when Romo scrambled for that first down on an early drive. Did anyone notice how slow he looked? To me, he didn't appear to be moving well.

He had to take a shot because of that uncalled late spear in the back by the NJFG...
 

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I respect that. It's just my opinion that Darren has looked better. Neither has broken out but is that our Oline, playcalling or them? That remains to be seen.

Well, we had a lot of trouble getting started in this one because of the penalties on offense. Not having Leary, who is one of our better run blockers, in there doesn't help. I think Collins can surpass him one day, but it will take him a while.

That said, I think some opportunities have been missed and some of the things Murray was able to do with small creases last year we're not seeing yet from these backs. However, again, I have liked some of what I've seen from Randle. No so much with McFadden, except primarily in the passing game. Get that guy the ball in the open field and he can fly.
 

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I started watching the game with a bit of an annoyance yesterday. Fox reported that Romo had to take a shot before the game which perked my ears up and had me watching his movements. He didn't look comfortable and my wife giggled when Romo scrambled for that first down on an early drive. Did anyone notice how slow he looked? To me, he didn't appear to be moving well.

And now the question that is going to start my roast. Has he now become injury prone? Before you start lighting your torches, hear me out. Tony is a warrior and this team would not have near the success it's had if weren't him. He's saved Garrett's job many times because I believe that Tony has achieved success in spite of Garrett's offenses. A lot of those plays have been because of Romo not Garrett (when JG was the playcaller). Is this a little too late now? Have we (Jerry Jones) beat up Romo too much now? All those times of asking him to win games and take all those hits because of an inefficient line aged our QB to the point where he's now "one hit away" from a significant injury?

So how does Murray fit into this? As I watched our D stuff Murray time after time after time, I went from happy to angry. I can't believe that either no tried or Murray didn't listen to reason. Philly is all wrong for Murray. Most of us probably knew this already. I am sure the Philly fan base is calling for Kelly's head and pretty soon they'll be calling out Murray as well. I just don't understand the need for more money in a place that was all wrong for him when "if" the Cowboys had made a run this year and if Murray was a part of that, endorsements would be calling his name.

Our running game has been, "meh." Randle is playing with a lot of guts but Darren looks better. We can't run by committee anymore. We have to pick one and ride it. I believe we can be fine with Weeden (as I stick my finger in my mouth and barf). Our D is going to have to help a lot more now. We are going to have to take advantage of Weeden's arm and start taking shots down field. Even if they aren't completed, we are going to have to do it. Teams will be looking to shut down the running game and make us win on Weeden's arm. A positive note is that with Dez hurt, those WR's who normally don't see first team practice, have had practice time with Weeden. So there may be some good chemistry there.

I stated last year (after wanting JG gone for many years) that Garrett had proven that he was worthy of being a head coach. Now he's going to have to coach. He's going to have rally his team around Weeden (as I try not to barf again). This team can thrive but they are going to have to believe it. They cannot make the turnovers they did in the first game nor the penalties in yesterdays game. They are going to have to be pretty close to mistake free on the offensive side. I pray that the only fiddling done is in Philly.

Also we need a backup to Weeden. If he goes down, who will fill in. Do we have anyone on the practice squad, or will we sign one this week.
 

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He had to take a shot because of that uncalled late spear in the back by the NJFG...

I think that's what it is. Also that tackle that caused his injury looked like a pancake version, with a forearm to the head.
 

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Murray made a bad football decision and a good financial one. He can play for a crappy team that can barely block for him and get scarcely any yards and then laugh his way to the bank. Play for a couple years and then retire insanely rich. Oh, wait, he made the change to give him the best chance to go to the Super Bowl, hahahahahahahahahahahaha. :LOL:

It is telling that 2 weeks in a row he has been tackled behind the line of scrimmage. Nice penetration play by Lawrence. Also Sean Lee looked like a Murray magnet on several plays.
 

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I started watching the game with a bit of an annoyance yesterday. Fox reported that Romo had to take a shot before the game which perked my ears up and had me watching his movements. He didn't look comfortable and my wife giggled when Romo scrambled for that first down on an early drive. Did anyone notice how slow he looked? To me, he didn't appear to be moving well.

And now the question that is going to start my roast. Has he now become injury prone? Before you start lighting your torches, hear me out. Tony is a warrior and this team would not have near the success it's had if weren't him. He's saved Garrett's job many times because I believe that Tony has achieved success in spite of Garrett's offenses. A lot of those plays have been because of Romo not Garrett (when JG was the playcaller). Is this a little too late now? Have we (Jerry Jones) beat up Romo too much now? All those times of asking him to win games and take all those hits because of an inefficient line aged our QB to the point where he's now "one hit away" from a significant injury?

So how does Murray fit into this? As I watched our D stuff Murray time after time after time, I went from happy to angry. I can't believe that either no tried or Murray didn't listen to reason. Philly is all wrong for Murray. Most of us probably knew this already. I am sure the Philly fan base is calling for Kelly's head and pretty soon they'll be calling out Murray as well. I just don't understand the need for more money in a place that was all wrong for him when "if" the Cowboys had made a run this year and if Murray was a part of that, endorsements would be calling his name.

Our running game has been, "meh." Randle is playing with a lot of guts but Darren looks better. We can't run by committee anymore. We have to pick one and ride it. I believe we can be fine with Weeden (as I stick my finger in my mouth and barf). Our D is going to have to help a lot more now. We are going to have to take advantage of Weeden's arm and start taking shots down field. Even if they aren't completed, we are going to have to do it. Teams will be looking to shut down the running game and make us win on Weeden's arm. A positive note is that with Dez hurt, those WR's who normally don't see first team practice, have had practice time with Weeden. So there may be some good chemistry there.

I stated last year (after wanting JG gone for many years) that Garrett had proven that he was worthy of being a head coach. Now he's going to have to coach. He's going to have rally his team around Weeden (as I try not to barf again). This team can thrive but they are going to have to believe it. They cannot make the turnovers they did in the first game nor the penalties in yesterdays game. They are going to have to be pretty close to mistake free on the offensive side. I pray that the only fiddling done is in Philly.

On a side note, as a Foo Fighter fan...When TWill made that TD and did that strut at the back of the endzone...I think I heard, probably in my head, There comes my Hero watch him as he goes. lol
 

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1. Romo is 35 and had two 225-lb plus linebackers just land on him at exactly the wrong angle. His shot for pain was because of the late spear hit he took to the kidneys against the Giants.

2. Our trio of backs rushed for 90 yards against an Eagles front that is very good, so I wouldn't go writing a eulogy just yet.

3. Murray is gone - who cares? He got his $18M guaranteed and that's likely all he'll see from this contract.

4. Garrett has always coached. Don't start that narrative now that we've lost our two best players on offense in as many weeks. It's disingenuous.
 

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He barely got touched against the Giants and needed a shot to play the next week. He didn't take many hits against the Eagles and he's now out with a broken collarbone. He's breaking down physically.

Someone needs to shake the Jones twins. Our QB situation will be dire very soon.

Pretty much just confirmed that you don't watch the games, slugger.
 

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Often, people overlay their personal norms, values, morals, etc. onto others. In Murray's case, some people believe Dallas offered him enough to stay. That determination is made because they read or hear an offered contract amount and weigh that amount against their self-perception of what is satisfactory for themselves.

Unfortunately, the world is materialistic. It is typical for people to desire more than less. Murray was confronted with a possible finite choice: a) get paid the most now or b) settle for less and possibly never see that much money again. The current Cowboys management (which is another factor some people apply their personal reasoning upon also) did not wish to fulfill the first option, so Murray opted for the second choice. Murray did what is typical. It is atypical for people, especially professional athletes, to willingly choose the second option.

Personally, my issue with Murray remains the same now as it was last spring. The writing was on the wall. Dallas had demonstrated flexibility during the contract negotiations but not to the point they would ever fold and hand Murray what he expected. Murray should have signed elsewhere on the first day free agency opened, not several days into it. His rigid stalling ultimately restricted Dallas' free agent choices to Darren McFadden. In my opinion, Murray screwed his old team more than his new team or himself.
Dang until this bold silliness I was right with you. He has to have a team to goto that he likes also. Heck if didn't want to goto a team whee he would definitely stink and neither would you, me, anybody else. That makes no sense at all to say that. He wasn't stalling he was looking for a good situation that payed him what he thought he was worth and I don't blame him. We'd do the same thing but now that he's on the Eagles its whatever honestly unless he playing us even though I have no ill will towards him at all.
 

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Philly is all wrong for Murray but you can't blame him for leaving. They offered twice as much. Where Philly screwed up was trading for Bradford. He's a bust and Foles is better.

I agree on Murray
He had to take the money but the system doesn't fit his strength
He is much better out of the I
The shotgun is better for the scar back types. Guys like mccoy who they traded
 

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I have an idea. Lets sign McFadden to a contract and not play him because he might get hurt.

I have a better idea. Lets trade for Christine Michaels and not play him to save a 7th rounder.
ps McOstrich is garbage.
 

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Often, people overlay their personal norms, values, morals, etc. onto others. In Murray's case, some people believe Dallas offered him enough to stay. That determination is made because they read or hear an offered contract amount and weigh that amount against their self-perception of what is satisfactory for themselves.

Unfortunately, the world is materialistic. It is typical for people to desire more than less. Murray was confronted with a possible finite choice: a) get paid the most now or b) settle for less and possibly never see that much money again. The current Cowboys management (which is another factor some people apply their personal reasoning upon also) did not wish to fulfill the first option, so Murray opted for the second choice. Murray did what is typical. It is atypical for people, especially professional athletes, to willingly choose the second option.

Personally, my issue with Murray remains the same now as it was last spring. The writing was on the wall. Dallas had demonstrated flexibility during the contract negotiations but not to the point they would ever fold and hand Murray what he expected. Murray should have signed elsewhere on the first day free agency opened, not several days into it. His rigid stalling ultimately restricted Dallas' free agent choices to Darren McFadden. In my opinion, Murray screwed his old team more than his new team or himself.

DE I would agree with you if there were actually good options available. It's not like Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson, and Arian Foster were all available and we passed on them trying to get Murray.

Speaking of Foster - if that guy could pass a physical I would call Houston just to see what they'd want for him.
 

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Philly is all wrong for Murray but you can't blame him for leaving. They offered twice as much. Where Philly screwed up was trading for Bradford. He's a bust and Foles is better.

He may never see more than the guaranteed money. He has zero yards after two games. A cut could be in his future and he is going to wonder, "Why did I leave Dallas where I had a shot at the HOF?"
 

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Murray made a bad football decision and a good financial one. He can play for a crappy team that can barely block for him and get scarcely any yards and then laugh his way to the bank. Play for a couple years and then retire insanely rich. Oh, wait, he made the change to give him the best chance to go to the Super Bowl, hahahahahahahahahahahaha. :LOL:

This. The move was good for Murray's bank account and little else. Dallas and Philadelphia are both worse off for the move.
 

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Romo is getting older and he has been beat up. But that guy is tough. He's played through some injuries and I'm hoping they do draft a QB. I still think he's got a couple of really good years left. It sucks that they lost their 2 best players on offense but they still got some guys that can make plays. I also think The O-Line is going to get back into it's groove. They haven't been their best to start the season but I think they get rolling and so will Randle and McFadden behind it
 
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