Is Prescott the next RG3/Kaepernick

[irving]

Football is a team game, so if Dak has the same or better supporting cast next year, there is no reason he shouldn't be successful. Will the team win 13 games, probably unlikely, how many teams win 13 games each season. Dak is not a run first quarterback, anybody saying that has not been watching the games. As for teams having more film on him, well I'm sure as the season progressed, teams knew how to play against Dak, you could see, some tried to blitz him, but because most teams don't have the Giants personnel, they couldn't execute the Giant game plan. It's quite simple teams like the Giants and Vikings, gave the rookie quarterback trouble, but oh wait, those teams gave veteran quarterbacks trouble also.

 

[The Realist]

Dak reminds me a lot of young Byron Leftwich so far. Let's see if he becomes more than just that. He certainly has a better offense.

How?

Leftwich was a career 58% passer, 58/42 ratio and an imobile statue with a long wind up. A few inches taller as well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How do we know?

I don't know how you would know but I know that he isn't because he doesn't play like either of those two.

Real quick way to tell is to consider what offenses they ran and what offenses we run. Both Kaep and RG3 played in pistol, spread, read option offenses. We ran a traditional Coryell offense and while we played quite a bit of shotgun I don't recall a single pistol snap.

Further, Dak is lightyears ahead of where those two are in mechanics operating under center and reading route combinations/coverages than those two are even now in their 4+ years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dak reminds me a lot of young Byron Leftwich so far. Let's see if he becomes more than just that. He certainly has a better offense.

I don't see that at all. Leftwich used to like to chuck it downfield to Smith, lacked mobility and had a lot more body fat.

I see a young Steve McNair. Similar delivery, real nose when to run for first downs, good accuracy on intermediate throws, and physical.

 

[TheHerd]

Giants showed the blueprint on how to beat him.

Yup. Spend 200M to get a superior defense, and make sure Dak is playing in his first 20 degree NFL game. Why doesn't every team think of that?

 

[TheHerd]

All the points on the obvious differences are accurate.

One other facet that is very different. Kap and RG3 both have long baseball type deliveries. As does Leftwich, btw.

Dak makes the read and the ball is out.

 

[Gameover]

Giants showed the blueprint on how to beat him.

Horse manure.

They got lucky the first game. We moved the ball up and down the field the first game, they were lucky we had to'settle' for FG.

The second game was more weather related and the fact it seems we kinda peeked on Thanksgiving to some degree.

Trust: They have no blueprint

 

[xwalker]

How do we know?

You really must not watch the games if you are seriously asking this question.

Why did you pick these 2 QBs? Dak has no similarity to them.

Robert Griffin had 120 rushing attempts his rookie season.

Dak had 57. Aaron Rodgers had 10 more rushing attempts in 2016 than Dak.

 

[Gator88]

He doesn't remind me of Kap/RG3, I would prefer he isn't the next Foles though.

 

[khiladi]

CAN you? Sure. We only ran once though.

I'm not the one making the claim it was an obvious passing down. For all we know, considering the amount if ties Dallas did run play action, it wouldn't be any surprise if many of those plays were play action.

A 4 WR set doesn't imply no threat of run..

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dak reminds me a lot of young Byron Leftwich so far.

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[percyhoward]

I'm not the one making the claim it was an obvious passing down. For all we know, considering the amount if ties Dallas did run play action, it wouldn't be any surprise if many of those plays were play action.

A 4 WR set doesn't imply no threat of run.

Here's some context from Elias Sports Bureau to show why defenses weren't worried about Dallas running the ball out of 4+WR formations.

Dallas play selection by formation
4+WR
185 passes, 1 run (99%/1%)

3 WR
247 passes, 140 runs (64%/36%)

2 WR
66 passes, 136 runs (33%/67%)

<2 WR
33 passes, 160 runs (17%/83%)

"Passes" include all of Prescott's pass attempts, sacks, and QB runs. (The 33 "passes" with <2 WR consisted of 15 pass attempts and 18 QB runs, of which 13 were kneel downs.)

 

[DIAF]

whoever said RG3 was a run-first QB is completely wrong. In fact, Dak had MORE rushing yards than RG3 did, and nearly had 1000 yards his Jr. season, though neither of them are 'run first' RG3 and Dak are alike in that both of them ran a spread offense in college and both of them were "pass-first". Dak's physical abilities are nowhere near RG3 pre-injury, but his football IQ seems to be a hell of a lot larger.

 

[percyhoward]

whoever said RG3 was a run-first QB is completely wrong.

Rushing attempts per game, rookie season
Griffin 7.4
Prescott 2.8

 

[cowboyuptx]

I don't think that will be the case, at least not to that degree, but this is certainly not how I would've handled the QB situation and Dak's development. I don't think his play will take a nosedive, but I do think he takes a step back next season. This team is obviously coached by the media.

 

[DIAF]

Rushing attempts per game, rookie season
Griffin 7.4
Prescott 2.8

My post was referencing college statistics. Neither one of these guys obviously are ever going to sniff 1000 yards rushing in an NFL season, that much should have been obvious.

While RG3 may have had MORE rushing attempts than Dak in their rookie year, 7.4 is hardly a "run first" QB. It just means he ran more than Dak in his rookie year. RG3 was a better runner than Dak, but that doesn't mean the guy was a "run first" qb.

 

[khiladi]

Here's some context from Elias Sports Bureau to show why defenses weren't worried about Dallas running the ball out of 4+WR formations.

Dallas play selection by formation
4+WR
185 passes, 1 run (99%/1%)

3 WR
247 passes, 140 runs (64%/36%)

2 WR
66 passes, 136 runs (33%/67%)

<2 WR
33 passes, 160 runs (17%/83%)

"Passes" include all of Prescott's pass attempts, sacks, and QB runs. (The 33 "passes" with <2 WR consisted of 15 pass attempts and 18 QB runs, of which 13 were kneel downs.)

I think you already affirmed they ran it once...

 

[joseephuss]

My post was referencing college statistics. Neither one of these guys obviously are ever going to sniff 1000 yards rushing in an NFL season, that much should have been obvious.

While RG3 may have had MORE rushing attempts than Dak in their rookie year, 7.4 is hardly a "run first" QB. It just means he ran more than Dak in his rookie year. RG3 was a better runner than Dak, but that doesn't mean the guy was a "run first" qb.

I don't understand the point of referencing college stats. It is what they are doing in the NFL that matters.

If gaining 1000 yards rushing in the NFL is the standard for being considered a "run first" QB then there has only been 1 in league history. Michael Vick is the only QB to rush for 1000 yards.

I think "run first" is a poor description. I think QBs like Vick and RGIII his rookie season were relied heavily on running, but didn't necessarily run first.

I thought RGIII missed a game his rookie season, so 120 rushing attempts in 15 games would be 8.0 attempts per game. He did sniff 1000 yards as he finished with over 800 yards rushing that season.

 

[percyhoward]

I thought RGIII missed a game his rookie season, so 120 rushing attempts in 15 games would be 8.0 attempts per game.

It's 8.0 if you count his 9 kneel downs, 7.4 without.

Either way, more than twice as many runs as Dak.

 

[jobberone]

My post was referencing college statistics. Neither one of these guys obviously are ever going to sniff 1000 yards rushing in an NFL season, that much should have been obvious.

While RG3 may have had MORE rushing attempts than Dak in their rookie year, 7.4 is hardly a "run first" QB. It just means he ran more than Dak in his rookie year. RG3 was a better runner than Dak, but that doesn't mean the guy was a "run first" qb.

Do those runs reflect runs on a pass play, primary runs, or total runs?