Is T.0. over the hill?

Clove

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I laugh when people actually think the offense will run smoothly with Roy and company next year, without TO.

I guess people have missed the part about when TO AND WITTEN ARE DOUBLED, NO BODY ELSE IS GETTING OPENED, AND IF THEY ARE, Romo is not hitting them.

I don't know if TO is over the hill or not, but defensive coordinators don't think so, just us.
 

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Has he lost a step? Sure he has.

Is he still one of the best in the game? Sure he is.

I'd rather have TO on this team than facing this team.
 

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How is he suppose to get a lot of YAC when every route runs is 20 plus yards down field?

TO's age isnt the problem the Oline's inability to give Romo enough time to let Garrett's vertical passing game be effective is the issue. That and Garrett is a stubborn donkey who refuses to make the necessary adjustments to help out the offense.

How can you tell if RW11 is open or not? The games I see he is usually running out of the screen and Romo NEVER even looks his way. So much for getting the ball to the open receiver.
 

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wxcpo;2519442 said:
Has he lost a step? Sure he has.

Is he still one of the best in the game? Sure he is.

I'd rather have TO on this team than facing this team.
Bingo.

Imagine this board if he wound up on a different NFC East team and this secondary had to deal with it twice a year. It might not be that amusing.
 

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Owens is so polarizing -- and nobody forced him to be a drama queen. That's his doing. As a result, folks tend to be either "all in" or "all out." It's difficult to be objective, in either direction.

His play this year has been pretty typical of great athletes on the wrong side of their prime. He is still capable of rising up and giving magnificent performances, but it doesn't appear he is able to do it on a week to week basis. That is not unusual for an older athlete.

The question about Owens is whether he is able to recognize and to adapt to the changes time inevitably brings. Physically, he is more than capable of being a nice contributor, probably for two more years, perhaps even three. Mentally and emotionally, I'm not sure that's true. He thinks of himself as a star, and he wants to be treated, in every way, as a star -- no... as the star.

Every problem with this Cowboys team certainly isn't of Owens' making. But he has made some contributions. The question is whether the positive outweighs the negative.

Owens can still win you one or two games a year. He can rise up and be exceptional. He will also drop some key passes, run some lazy routes and cause some distractions. In the worst case, he will cause major distractions.

I tend toward being in the "move on without him" category. I see him being more disruptive as his talent continues to erode, which it will. He is a human being.

I can understand, though, why others disagree. The Cowboys haven't shown well when he has been injured or has otherwise been taken out of games. He is still an exciting player.

It's always tough to know when it's time to move on. In this case, maybe it comes to this: The Cowboys miss something -- a cohesiveness, a chemistry... Romo is going nowhere. Witten is going nowhere. Owens is not going to get many more throws.

They say you can't open a new can of players, so you fire the coach. In this case, I think it applies to Owens.
 

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dmq;2518008 said:
I know Tony missed on that long td pass, but this guy has all but disappeared from our offense. He was abusing teams last year. Now we even have a legitimate threat on the other side and the only stuff thrown to him seem to be forced. He is 35 now. Is this the end?

Not close to over the hill!

T.O. is an NFL speciman with only his insecurities to distract him.

A bigger fan of T.O. is no man except me, son of a Norseman forged in glacial fire and wheat grog, and brought up on the bosom of a peruvian-armenian woman. Through Alan thicke and thin I've defended this T.O. And still do as per his heroics on field.

But emotionly, he sucks the juice out of this team with insecurities, girls games and his various other complaints.

Any team would be fortunate to have an athlete with these skills.
But can any afford the constant, internal warfare and active then passive aggressiveness?
None I say unto yew.
Mein gott, T.O.!
Be a future HOFer and showcase your skills.
Other than that, just shut up.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2519527 said:
Not close to over the hill!

T.O. is an NFL speciman with only his insecurities to distract him.

A bigger fan of T.O. is no man except me, son of a Norseman forged in glacial fire and wheat grog, and brought up on the bosom of a peruvian-armenian woman. Through Alan thicke and thin I've defended this T.O. And still do as per his heroics on field.

But emotionly, he sucks the juice out of this team with insecurities, girls games and his various other complaints.

Any team would be fortunate to have an athlete with these skills.
But can any afford the constant, internal warfare and active then passive aggressiveness?
None I say unto yew.
Mein gott, T.O.!
Be a future HOFer and showcase your skills.
Other than that, just shut up.


You have such an clutch on not only the English language...but others as well.

Does your 50,000 watt reach Europe?


:confused:
 

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5Stars;2519533 said:
You have such an clutch on not only the English language...but others as well.

Does your 50,000 watt reach Europe?


:confused:

Funny yew should ask that.

We are kinda like outsourcin' labor so ah figured out that if we hire say, 200 peeps in Finland and they hold up 200 reflectors for one hour a day we could bounce that radio signal to Europ. But their airways laws might put the spit on the whiz on that one.

I don't want to promise to much to the Fins cause if we dont make the plan work then they might get angry and I don't have to tell you how awful it is when Finian labor leaders get angered.
 

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shaketiller;2519502 said:
Owens is so polarizing -- and nobody forced him to be a drama queen. That's his doing. As a result, folks tend to be either "all in" or "all out." It's difficult to be objective, in either direction.

His play this year has been pretty typical of great athletes on the wrong side of their prime. He is still capable of rising up and giving magnificent performances, but it doesn't appear he is able to do it on a week to week basis. That is not unusual for an older athlete.

The question about Owens is whether he is able to recognize and to adapt to the changes time inevitably brings. Physically, he is more than capable of being a nice contributor, probably for two more years, perhaps even three. Mentally and emotionally, I'm not sure that's true. He thinks of himself as a star, and he wants to be treated, in every way, as a star -- no... as the star.

Every problem with this Cowboys team certainly isn't of Owens' making. But he has made some contributions. The question is whether the positive outweighs the negative.

Owens can still win you one or two games a year. He can rise up and be exceptional. He will also drop some key passes, run some lazy routes and cause some distractions. In the worst case, he will cause major distractions.

I tend toward being in the "move on without him" category. I see him being more disruptive as his talent continues to erode, which it will. He is a human being.

I can understand, though, why others disagree. The Cowboys haven't shown well when he has been injured or has otherwise been taken out of games. He is still an exciting player.

It's always tough to know when it's time to move on. In this case, maybe it comes to this: The Cowboys miss something -- a cohesiveness, a chemistry... Romo is going nowhere. Witten is going nowhere. Owens is not going to get many more throws.

They say you can't open a new can of players, so you fire the coach. In this case, I think it applies to Owens.


Nice try in disguising this post as "objective." Your anti-Owens attitude shines through...I'd venture a guess you're as anti-Owens as any poster here.

What is it that you think he's lost? He has ALWAYS dropped passes. In fact, this year is his least drop-prone season in quite some time.

He's never been a great route runner.

If you don't think he's faster this year than he was last year, you're blind.

So what is it that you people think he's lost this year?

What we have here is a decline in numbers and a bunch of people just judging a player's physical ability with a stat-book.

The stats lie. Did Chad Johnson lose a step this year? He had 1440 yards last year. He has 540 this year.

There are quite a few receivers who used to rank at or near the top statistically who have all of a sudden had a sharp decline in production this year. There are numerous reasons for that, but "lost a step" isn't one of them.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2519582 said:
Funny yew should ask that.

We are kinda like outsourcin' labor so ah figured out that if we hire say, 200 peeps in Finland and they hold up 200 reflectors for one hour a day we could bounce that radio signal to Europ. But their airways laws might put the spit on the whiz on that one.

I don't want to promise to much to the Fins cause if we dont make the plan work then they might get angry and I don't have to tell you how awful it is when Finian labor leaders get angered.


Word!

There's a lesson in there...


;)
 

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I will type it again because I am shocked people are disputing this.
If you think that a 35 year old receiver has not past their prime or their summitt, you are living in never-never land.
 

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goshan;2519649 said:
I will type it again because I am shocked people are disputing this.
If you think that a 35 year old receiver has not past their prime or their summitt, you are living in never-never land.

Were you saying this LAST year?

Owens this year > Owens last year.

I didn't see these threads last year.

No, Owens isn't what he was in 2001-2003...but he obviously could afford to lose a step from that time period.
 

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JordanTaber;2519584 said:
Nice try in disguising this post as "objective." Your anti-Owens attitude shines through...I'd venture a guess you're as anti-Owens as any poster here.

What is it that you think he's lost? He has ALWAYS dropped passes. In fact, this year is his least drop-prone season in quite some time.

He's never been a great route runner.

If you don't think he's faster this year than he was last year, you're blind.

So what is it that you people think he's lost this year?

What we have here is a decline in numbers and a bunch of people just judging a player's physical ability with a stat-book.

The stats lie. Did Chad Johnson lose a step this year? He had 1440 yards last year. He has 540 this year.

There are quite a few receivers who used to rank at or near the top statistically who have all of a sudden had a sharp decline in production this year. There are numerous reasons for that, but "lost a step" isn't one of them.
Pretty good post there.
 

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JordanTaber;2519656 said:
Were you saying this LAST year?

Owens this year > Owens last year.

I didn't see these threads last year.

No, Owens isn't what he was in 2001-2003...but he obviously could afford to lose a step from that time period.

Owens started to slow last year and has continued the trend this year.

The most noticeable change last year was his lateral quickness which impacted his ability to make long runs after the catch - a trademark in his career until he was a Cowboy.

This lateral quickness has further declined this year--making it more difficult for him to gain separation in tight coverage.

He has also lost some overall agility which makes it difficult for him to adjust to balls (although this was never his strength) and gain yards after the catch.

Owens hasn't lost any straight ahead spead--but this is often the last thing to go. See Daryl Green as an example.
 

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Clove;2519405 said:
I don't know if TO is over the hill or not, but defensive coordinators don't think so, just us.

:hammer:

Shame on those DCs for double teaming an over the hill WR. :lmao:
 

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I BTW am not implying that TO has lost a step. I was just wondering who is watching the game tape and is this guy actually getting open? Have DCs found a way to limit this guy and how? Can we do anything to get TO back in the game? Here I thought Roy Williams might fix our problems.:banghead:
 

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dmq;2518008 said:
I know Tony missed on that long td pass, but this guy has all but disappeared from our offense. He was abusing teams last year. Now we even have a legitimate threat on the other side and the only stuff thrown to him seem to be forced. He is 35 now. Is this the end?

You can say this about a lot of people on the offense.....
 

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T.O seems like he has lost a step but Romo also seems like he has no zip on the ball. I was laughing when Eli manning made the Pro Bowl but when I watched him last night...Man he had some nice zip on the ball. I guess Eli belongs this year and Romo is having a average year.

Maybe this is the JG play calling. What happened to the pound the running game and shot gun spread formations with quick slants? It seems like its all delayed "draws" and 25 yard crossing routes. JG has let us down he is no the "genius" OC that Jerry has tried to portray him as. Did anyone let JG know that we signed Roy williams? Come on.
 

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If the playcalling is anything better than abysmal, TO will explode again next year. Then people will be wondering why they had the idea he was washed up. I mean this is the same guy that supposedly couldn't get deep when he got here in 2006. Circmstances tanked him that season, but what did he do in 2007? 2008 is a year like 2006 for Owens.
 
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