Is the Patriots season a sham???

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Talking to some folks who are fans of other teams, this thought came up.

Looking at what has been happening, and given the leagues penchant for loving the Patriots we got to talking about the league trying to give back some credibility to the Patriots and their championships.

The first thing mentioned was obviously the blatant cheating by Belichick. Looking at the punishment VS. the act, it really doesn't seem like it was fair. The Patriots cheated to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents, yet they were fined dollars, but nothing to offset the the on field advantage. IE: suspensions (Belichick).

The double standard was pronounced in light of the 5 game suspension for Wade Wilson who did nothing to gain a competitive advantage on the field. As a matter of fact, it was a personal health matter.

In addition, we see an abnormal amount of non calls against NE during their games. This is not to say that they would lose these games, but you just don't see the calls against them, especially in critical situations. They are in the top 10 in fewest penalties with 37 called.

In addition they also are in the top 3 on 4th down attempts with 12. The other 2 are the Jags and Saints who have been playing from behind all year. This also tells me that they are trying to run up the scores on most teams when as we know they have led in all of their games the entire time except for the game against Dallas.

All of this points to, in some people's minds that there is a league focus on giving the pats all the room in the world to operate and not holding them to the same standards that other teams must be held to.

The running up of the scores is also, something that is an on field thing and if the Defense can't stop them, well then that's just the way it is. But with everything thing we have seen, with all the scoring and Brady having the kind of year he is having, nearly setting records at the half way point, it just makes you think that maybe, just maybe something is really wrong here.

They are the leading scoring team in the NFL. The second place team, Dallas is over 100 points behind them. Given, they have played one more game, but still, 100 points?

Maybe the league is trying to send a message that the Super Bowls the pats won are legit in wake of the cheating. Maybe the Pats just want to run the noses of the rest of the league in their own cheating scandal. I don't know, but the lack of punishment where they receive no on field punishment for their on field advantage and their blatant double standard makes one wonder what is going on.

Oh and the draft picks they are supposed to lose? A first rounder if they make the playoffs? They also have the 49ers first round pick this year, which looks like a top 5 pick. Some punishment huh?

EDIT: Sorry, I posted this in the wrong forum. My bad.
 

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Cajuncowboy;1741730 said:
In addition, we see an abnormal amount of non calls against NE during their games. This is not to say that they would lose these games, but you just don't see the calls against them, especially in critical situations. They are in the top 10 in fewest penalties with 37 called.

FWIW-I saw just as many calls that went against them just as they did against us.(i.e. a block in the back on Tyson's long KR, Witten's PF on Rodney that kept a TD drive alive, and no, I didn't see any "holding" calls on either side not seen by the refs)
 

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Cajuncowboy;1741730 said:
Talking to some folks who are fans of other teams, this thought came up.

Looking at what has been happening, and given the leagues penchant for loving the Patriots we got to talking about the league trying to give back some credibility to the Patriots and their championships.

The first thing mentioned was obviously the blatant cheating by Belichick. Looking at the punishment VS. the act, it really doesn't seem like it was fair. The Patriots cheated to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents, yet they were fined dollars, but nothing to offset the the on field advantage. IE: suspensions (Belichick).

The double standard was pronounced in light of the 5 game suspension for Wade Wilson who did nothing to gain a competitive advantage on the field. As a matter of fact, it was a personal health matter.

In addition, we see an abnormal amount of non calls against NE during their games. This is not to say that they would lose these games, but you just don't see the calls against them, especially in critical situations. They are in the top 10 in fewest penalties with 37 called.

In addition they also are in the top 3 on 4th down attempts with 12. The other 2 are the Jags and Saints who have been playing from behind all year. This also tells me that they are trying to run up the scores on most teams when as we know they have led in all of their games the entire time except for the game against Dallas.

All of this points to, in some people's minds that there is a league focus on giving the pats all the room in the world to operate and not holding them to the same standards that other teams must be held to.

The running up of the scores is also, something that is an on field thing and if the Defense can't stop them, well then that's just the way it is. But with everything thing we have seen, with all the scoring and Brady having the kind of year he is having, nearly setting records at the half way point, it just makes you think that maybe, just maybe something is really wrong here.

They are the leading scoring team in the NFL. The second place team, Dallas is over 100 points behind them. Given, they have played one more game, but still, 100 points?

Maybe the league is trying to send a message that the Super Bowls the pats won are legit in wake of the cheating. Maybe the Pats just want to run the noses of the rest of the league in their own cheating scandal. I don't know, but the lack of punishment where they receive no on field punishment for their on field advantage and their blatant double standard makes one wonder what is going on.

Oh and the draft picks they are supposed to lose? A first rounder if they make the playoffs? They also have the 49ers first round pick this year, which looks like a top 5 pick. Some punishment huh?

I think running up the score is just a team thing, not a league thing. However, you cannot watch their games and conclude that they don't get special treatment from the refs unless you are a moron.

They don't even get called for blatant fouls most of the time.
 

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This is comical -

Michael Irvin did more pushing off than any Wide Receiver that played this game.

Maybe the Pats are crushing NFL teams week after week. I believe we were the only team that had a lead on them in second half.

They are blowing teams out, no conspiracy - lol
 

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BoysRule2;1741738 said:
FWIW-I saw just as many calls that went against them just as they did against us.(i.e. a block in the back on Tyson's long KR, Witten's PF on Rodney that kept a TD drive alive, and no, I didn't see any "holding" calls on either side not seen by the refs)

My dad is a Colts fan an he's always said this about the Pats. Now that I look, I see it in all of their games....not just ours. That Randy Moss push off on the Commanders was as obvious as it gets.

Pay more attention to their games and I promise you will see more. We are naturally biased when it comes to our Cowboys, so make sure you look at other teams.

Everyone is starting to hate these guys!
 

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Cajuncowboy;1741730 said:
Talking to some folks who are fans of other teams, this thought came up.

Looking at what has been happening, and given the leagues penchant for loving the Patriots we got to talking about the league trying to give back some credibility to the Patriots and their championships.

The first thing mentioned was obviously the blatant cheating by Belichick. Looking at the punishment VS. the act, it really doesn't seem like it was fair. The Patriots cheated to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents, yet they were fined dollars, but nothing to offset the the on field advantage. IE: suspensions (Belichick).

The double standard was pronounced in light of the 5 game suspension for Wade Wilson who did nothing to gain a competitive advantage on the field. As a matter of fact, it was a personal health matter.

In addition, we see an abnormal amount of non calls against NE during their games. This is not to say that they would lose these games, but you just don't see the calls against them, especially in critical situations. They are in the top 10 in fewest penalties with 37 called.

In addition they also are in the top 3 on 4th down attempts with 12. The other 2 are the Jags and Saints who have been playing from behind all year. This also tells me that they are trying to run up the scores on most teams when as we know they have led in all of their games the entire time except for the game against Dallas.

All of this points to, in some people's minds that there is a league focus on giving the pats all the room in the world to operate and not holding them to the same standards that other teams must be held to.

The running up of the scores is also, something that is an on field thing and if the Defense can't stop them, well then that's just the way it is. But with everything thing we have seen, with all the scoring and Brady having the kind of year he is having, nearly setting records at the half way point, it just makes you think that maybe, just maybe something is really wrong here.

They are the leading scoring team in the NFL. The second place team, Dallas is over 100 points behind them. Given, they have played one more game, but still, 100 points?

Maybe the league is trying to send a message that the Super Bowls the pats won are legit in wake of the cheating. Maybe the Pats just want to run the noses of the rest of the league in their own cheating scandal. I don't know, but the lack of punishment where they receive no on field punishment for their on field advantage and their blatant double standard makes one wonder what is going on.

Oh and the draft picks they are supposed to lose? A first rounder if they make the playoffs? They also have the 49ers first round pick this year, which looks like a top 5 pick. Some punishment huh?
I've visited just about every teams forums I can find and without a doubt Cowboys fans are crying about the Patriots more than all other teams put together. Why is that?
 

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Nors;1741747 said:
This is comical -

Michael Irvin did more pushing off than any Wide Receiver that played this game.

Maybe the Pats are crushing NFL teams week after week. I believe we were the only team that had a lead on them in second half.

They are blowing teams out, no conspiracy - lol

I know you are a closet pats fan but :D ...

When Irvin was doing this, it wasn't as stringent as it is now. There was more leeway given. But then they made the rule more applicable because of Irvin, hence the Michael Irvin rule.

You cannot dispute the disparage of points, penalties and preference this team gets. The thing that is comical is that some people can't see it.
 

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Nors;1741747 said:
This is comical -

Michael Irvin did more pushing off than any Wide Receiver that played this game.

Maybe the Pats are crushing NFL teams week after week. I believe we were the only team that had a lead on them in second half.

They are blowing teams out, no conspiracy - lol

For the record-Goodell is a Buffalo native, the guy's obviously a BILLS fan.

Wouldn't you think he would have a disdain for the Pats?:confused:
 

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Cajuncowboy;1741762 said:
I know you are a closet pats fan but :D ...

When Irvin was doing this, it wasn't as stringent as it is now. There was more leeway given. But then they made the rule more applicable because of Irvin, hence the Michael Irvin rule.

You cannot dispute the disparage of points, penalties and preference this team gets. The thing that is comical is that some people can't see it.

I'm not a Pats fan, but nonetheless, I find it funny how Bill Polian went on for years crying sour grapes at the officiating when his team played the Pats, but he's been awefully quiet over this "Spygate" incident. Really-there's been speculation that Belichick put cameras in goalposts to record Manning's audibles, so where's Polian's outrage?
 

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jimmy40;1741753 said:
I've visited just about every teams forums I can find and without a doubt Cowboys fans are crying about the Patriots more than all other teams put together. Why is that?

Why is it considered "crying" when you state the obvious?

And it's not Cowboy fans, As I said, I talked to fans of other teams about this. Commanders fans, (Before their game) Titans fans, Eagle Fans and Charger Fans.

Especially the charger fans. They have seen it first hand for a few years.
 

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Nors;1741747 said:
This is comical -

Michael Irvin did more pushing off than any Wide Receiver that played this game.

Maybe the Pats are crushing NFL teams week after week. I believe we were the only team that had a lead on them in second half.

They are blowing teams out, no conspiracy - lol

Yes he did but didn't the rules change because Belicheck complained how corners were putting their hands on the recievers or something like that?. I have to call and get clarification but it was either Belicheck or Dungy that complained to get the rule changes. It just doesn't seem like Dungy.

Bottom line is that the rules have changed since Mike played.

No conspiracy but there is preferential treatment.
 

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BoysRule2;1741767 said:
I'm not a Pats fan, but nonetheless, I find it funny how Bill Polian went on for years crying sour grapes at the officiating when his team played the Pats, but he's been awefully quiet over this "Spygate" incident. Really-there's been speculation that Belichick put cameras in goalposts to record Manning's audibles, so where's Polian's outrage?

Well that's a new one. But it's funny no one who defends the pats addresses the double standard the league has shown. No on field punishment. No suspensions. Nothing. And no one finds that odd?
 

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Randy Moss is a total freak - he has made a career of going up and getting the ball. That Brady has 30 TD's and only 2 picks is because NFL, officials, ESPN, East Coast syndicates are fixing play on the field!

Seriously - get a grip in 1990's these same powers that be were in our corner.


Or maybe great teams win lots of games. The whining and conspiracy taunts are comical.
 

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Shango;1741771 said:
Yes he did but didn't the rules change because Belicheck complained how corners were putting their hands on the recievers or something like that?. I have to call and get clarification but it was either Belicheck or Dungy that complained to get the rule changes. It just doesn't seem like Dungy.

Bottom line is that the rules have changed since Mike played.

No conspiracy but there is preferential treatment.

Actually-you may be confused with the Erik Williams rule-where OLs could no longer block defenders by putting their hands under their chinstraps.

As for receivers being able to be physical and even push off a little bit, it was never legal. DBs were able to a bit, but never the receivers. Somehow, Irvin was pretty elusive about it.
 

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Nors;1741774 said:
Randy Moss is a total freak - he has made a career of going up and getting the ball. That Brady has 30 TD's and only 2 picks is because NFL, officials, ESPN, East Coast syndicates are fixing play on the field!

Seriously - get a grip in 1990's these same powers that be were in our corner.


Or maybe great teams win lots of games. The whining and conspiracy taunts are comical.

The 90's Cowboys did not dominate like this, nor has any other team. Also, if you don't think there is a double standard, address the suspension issue or the punishment issue for the cheating.
 

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BoysRule2;1741776 said:
Actually-you may be confused with the Erik Williams rule-where OLs could no longer block defenders by putting their hands under their chinstraps.

As for receivers being able to be physical and even push off a little bit, it was never legal. DBs were able to a bit, but never the receivers. Somehow, Irvin was pretty elusive about it.

Nah...it was between NE and Indy.....Ty Law rule fits the bill (thanks cajun). I just don't think Mike could get away with it these days. He did push off...a lot.

Sure the league is gonna protect it's product but right now. The Pats are pissing everyone off with their behavior....every week.

The only major problem I have with the NFL is the Rodney Harrison/Wade Wilson thing......there is no explanation there!
 

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Shango;1741771 said:
Yes he did but didn't the rules change because Belicheck complained how corners were putting their hands on the recievers or something like that?. I have to call and get clarification but it was either Belicheck or Dungy that complained to get the rule changes. It just doesn't seem like Dungy.

Bottom line is that the rules have changed since Mike played.

No conspiracy but there is preferential treatment.

It was in fact Dungy. People have short memories. The Colts are the biggest whiners in the league. They only stopped last year when they won. Now, they can do no wrong. If they lose, just listen.

And speaking of whiners,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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Pats Fan;1741810 said:
It was in fact Dungy. People have short memories. The Colts are the biggest whiners in the league. They only stopped last year when they won. Now, they can do no wrong. If they lose, just listen.

And speaking of whiners,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The Colts are pretty bad, I agree....but the Commanders and Jets are right up there too.
 

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Pats Fan;1741810 said:
It was in fact Dungy. People have short memories. The Colts are the biggest whiners in the league. They only stopped last year when they won. Now, they can do no wrong. If they lose, just listen.

And speaking of whiners,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Polian....it was Polian.....
I'm not whining but you guys ARE acting like bullies. I agree with Charles Barkley, if you were up by 40 late in the 4th and still trying to score TD's.....I'm taking somebody out. Somebody might do that and I don't want to hear any whining if it does happen. Karma is real.

We could not be stopped in the early '90s but we didn't go around the league pushing people around to show our manhood. We just won and moved on.
 
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