Isiah Stanback keeps mentioning Rex Ryan

Bobhaze said:
That’s not my only concern, lol. I mean that’s true but Rex Ryan wasn’t that great when he was in the league. And btw, it’s been almost a decade since he was coaching in the NFL. He last coached at Buffalo in 2016. That’s a long time ago.

Put it another way…if Rex Ryan was great, in a league starved for better defensive performance, why has he been unemployed as a DC for so long?
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He was head coach in Buffalo. He’d be hired as a defensive coordinator. Very different. He was one of the best DCs in the league for years.
 
IMO, we as fans love the old “name hire”. Somebody we’ve all heard of who may (or may not) have had some success in the past.

What we rarely hear about are young rising assistant coaches who are much more in tune with today’s players and much more willing to try new ideas.

Look at Houston’s HC DeMeco Ryans. He just turned 41 and has been a HC in Hou three years now. Look at their great defense. He was a young up and coming assistant at SF where he coached LBs a couple of years, then became the niners DC and they were great under his leadership.

I’m not knocking “experienced” DCs, but I believe our future will be best handled by a coach with upside rather than a past.
 
Rex's father was the most disgusting scumbag the NFL ever puked up. Anything related to that family needs to be avoided like the plague. The mere thought of another Ryan repping the star makes me want to projectile vomit.
 
big dog cowboy said:
He can still coach in this league. Because of his current job he is very in tune with what is working and what isn't. Just listen to him talk. He sounds like he could walk in today and make the Cowboys defense better.
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How do you know this??. He sits on the couch watching tv for 10 years, and you think he suddenly can coach in 2026?? LOL, why has no team went after Ryan for 10 years if he was so good??
 
Bobhaze said:
IMO, we as fans love the old “name hire”. Somebody we’ve all heard of who may (or may not) have had some success in the past.

What we rarely hear about are young rising assistant coaches who are much more in tune with today’s players and much more willing to try new ideas.

Look at Houston’s HC DeMeco Ryans. He just turned 41 and has been a HC in Hou three years now. Look at their great defense. He was a young up and coming assistant at SF where he coached LBs a couple of years, then became the niners DC and they were great under his leadership.

I’m not knocking “experienced” DCs, but I believe our future will be best handled by a coach with upside rather than a past.
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Have to push back on this because in the real world if any one of us were responsible for an entire department of the business, in the contest between some hotshot up-and-comer who seems capable but isn't yet proven, versus someone who not only is proven but who has enjoyed a higher level of success than others for a considerable amount of time... the risky choice is A, and so the more grounded choice is B. Why do the A's ever get a chance, then? Because you have to pay B's more.... because... again... they are the pragmatic surer bet.

"New ideas?" This game has been played a long, long time. Won't say it never happens, but it's rare if not extremely rare that a vaunted "new" idea is authentically "new." It's less about "ideas," imo, more about anticipation and discernment... anticipating the opposition's decisions and discerning the best counters to their decisions.

What I'll give you is this... it's a young man's game, of course. And there's something to be said for the degree to which teachers/coaches can have impact on their students/players as a consequence of "being able to relate." So yeah, age can matter. And yeah, let's just be candid, other factors related to race and culture can matter. Females as coaches? Yeah, that, too, can absolutely matter. They're all factors. They're rarely deciding factors, more typically contributing factors of varying importance on the final outcome.

Conclusion: All things being equal, give me a pool of experienced DCs who have emerged as among the best in the league in that specific job, and then secondarily then, I'll take into consideration those contributing factors. But maybe higher on the list of contributing factor criteria is subjective measure of the person--his character, his passion, his capacity to articulate well, his capacity for empathy.

That said, what I actually opened the thread to say (having seen its title) is... give me Pete Carroll ahead of Rex Ryan. Maybe that's just me.
 
Personally, I wouldn’t be a fan of the hiring of Rex Ryan for DC, but he has a history with Shotty; and has been out of the NFL for at least a decade, so that makes him attractive to Jerry…giving the man his big break to get back into coaching. So while remote, I think there could be a possibility; they know Rex the best out of all the other potential candidates and he has a track record as a defensive coach.
 
big dog cowboy said:
He can still coach in this league. Because of his current job he is very in tune with what is working and what isn't. Just listen to him talk. He sounds like he could walk in today and make the Cowboys defense better.
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The national sports media is paid to sound like they know what they’re talking about. Not to actually know what they’re talking about. They all sound like they could “walk in today and make” a team better. None can, including him.
 
XXLMike said:
I said this … last summer and people came unglued here and cried …
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well by all means you must have been correct because he's the new DC... oh wait that just some talking head throwing out a name. :thumbdown:
 
_sturt_ said:
Have to push back on this because in the real world if any one of us were responsible for an entire department of the business, in the contest between some hotshot up-and-comer who seems capable but isn't yet proven, versus someone who not only is proven but who has enjoyed a higher level of success than others for a considerable amount of time... the risky choice is A, and so the more grounded choice is B. Why do the A's ever get a chance, then? Because you have to pay B's more.... because... again... they are the pragmatic surer bet.

"New ideas?" This game has been played a long, long time. Won't say it never happens, but it's rare if not extremely rare that a vaunted "new" idea is authentically "new." It's less about "ideas," imo, more about anticipation and discernment... anticipating the opposition's decisions and discerning the best counters to their decisions.

What I'll give you is this... it's a young man's game, of course. And there's something to be said for the degree to which teachers/coaches can have impact on their students/players as a consequence of "being able to relate." So yeah, age can matter. And yeah, let's just be candid, other factors related to race and culture can matter. Females as coaches? Yeah, that, too, can absolutely matter. They're all factors. They're rarely deciding factors, more typically contributing factors of varying importance on the final outcome.

Conclusion: All things being equal, give me a pool of experienced DCs who have emerged as among the best in the league in that specific job, and then secondarily then, I'll take into consideration those contributing factors. But maybe higher on the list of contributing factor criteria is subjective measure of the person--his character, his passion, his capacity to articulate well, his capacity for empathy.

That said, what I actually opened the thread to say (having seen its title) is... give me Pete Carroll ahead of Rex Ryan. Maybe that's just me.
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Good post Sturt. Here’s where I disagree….

My point is when you limit yourself to former “name” coaches because of their past, you miss the chance to find a new leader no one has heard of yet who has the potential to be the next big name in pro football. Some examples of what I’m talking about:
  • Here some names of young men who most people had never heard of before becoming great defensive coaches:
    • Tom Landry - went from being a player-coach in his early 30s to becoming the giants defensive coordinator and eventually (at age 35) becoming the Cowboys HC. His new ideas led to the most dominant defense in the NFL for two decades- The Flex defense.
    • Dave Wannstedt - Jimmy Johnson’s choice for DC when DW he was 36, coming with Jimmy from Univ of Miami. He was young, tough and open minded. No one had heard of Dave Wannstedt outside of college.
    • Vic Fangio - no 9ne had heard of this guy when at 36 he became the DC for the expansion Carolina Panthers in 1995. He’s had elite defenses for several teams but it all started when he was an unknown.
    • Matt Patricia - became Bill Belechick’s DC in his mid-30s when no one had heard of him. He brought lots of fresh ideas to a defensive team that had already been great.
My point is, even guys we recognize now as “big names” were no names when they got their break.

IMO, this team needs a lot of new thinking. A “name” can be good. But if any organization needs new ideas it’s this one.
 
this is just us talking hypotheticals right? there arent any whispers of this being a possibility, correct.??
 
I'm a lil biased about Stanback..

I can't listen to that podcast coz I still hold a grudge against Jerry for drafting that "project". Sounds petty I know.. but what a waste of a draft pick.
 
calicowboy54 said:
i would want to pare him with a younger college or pro good passing game coordinator so he can learn to call plays appropriately. give them a old Dog and a new Dog approach for game planning and attacking offenses. we need to dictate to the offense what they are going to do. not be reactive to the offense. but again that requires players to execute and by my count we need several more.
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The perfect young guy to bring in on Defense to pair with Rex Ryan would be Texas Longhorns' D-Coordinator, Will Muschamp.

Lots of Texas players (starters and backups) are suddenly leaving Texas (something is going on there that we don't know about yet). Now would be a good time to lure Will Muschamp away from the Texas Longhorns and pair him up with someone like Rex Ryan.

Type of defense(s) Will Muschamp runs:

Key Characteristics:

  • Formation: Primarily a 3-4 base, but with significant flexibility to shift fronts and coverages.
  • Pressure & Blitzing: Creates "pressure confusion" using stunts, blitzes, and disguised blitzes (zone dogs) to overwhelm offensive lines.
  • Physicality: Demands tough, physical defenders who can set the edge and win one-on-one battles.
  • Defensive Line: Employs space-eating, two-gap nose tackles (like Georgia's Jordan Davis) and athletic edge rushers (Bucks/OLBs) who can rush the passer and drop into coverage.
  • Secondary: Relies on tight man coverage with strong safety help over the top, requiring disciplined DBs.
Goal: To be disruptive, force turnovers, and create negative plays, making offenses uncomfortable and leading to mistakes.
In essence, Muschamp's defense is about creating chaos and leveraging athletic, physical defenders to get into the backfield and disrupt offensive rhythm.

As one can see, Muschamp runs a 3-4 hybrid defense that can switch to a 4-3 or even a 5-2. Very similar to what types of defenses Rex Ryan likes to run. Bringing in both Rex Ryan as D-Coordinator and Will Muschamp as his assistant.
 
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