Isiah Stanback keeps mentioning Rex Ryan

Cowboys5217 said:
He's been on the couch too long. Go get somebody at the top of the game CURRENTLY.

Comfort hires, guys that have been out of the league, guys with no experience, and guys who sucked at their last job just haven't worked out for us at all. We have an adequate sample size to make this conclusion.
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To a point, I agree with you, and I'm not really a huge fan of having a Ryan coaching here...been there, done that.

But, I can't see him just caving to Jerry's every whim.
 
I like fangio but to put the shoe on the other FOOT ole Rex isn’t a bad choice
 
Bobhaze said:
Good post Sturt. Here’s where I disagree….

My point is when you limit yourself to former “name” coaches because of their past, you miss the chance to find a new leader no one has heard of yet who has the potential to be the next big name in pro football. Some examples of what I’m talking about:
  • Here some names of young men who most people had never heard of before becoming great defensive coaches:
    • Tom Landry - went from being a player-coach in his early 30s to becoming the giants defensive coordinator and eventually (at age 35) becoming the Cowboys HC. His new ideas led to the most dominant defense in the NFL for two decades- The Flex defense.
    • Dave Wannstedt - Jimmy Johnson’s choice for DC when DW he was 36, coming with Jimmy from Univ of Miami. He was young, tough and open minded. No one had heard of Dave Wannstedt outside of college.
    • Vic Fangio - no 9ne had heard of this guy when at 36 he became the DC for the expansion Carolina Panthers in 1995. He’s had elite defenses for several teams but it all started when he was an unknown.
    • Matt Patricia - became Bill Belechick’s DC in his mid-30s when no one had heard of him. He brought lots of fresh ideas to a defensive team that had already been great.
My point is, even guys we recognize now as “big names” were no names when they got their break.

IMO, this team needs a lot of new thinking. A “name” can be good. But if any organization needs new ideas it’s this one.
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Back at ya... always appreciate coherent, vigorous, adult deliberation.

My point to that point would be, first, to repeat what I just said since I'm not really seeing any actual debunking of any point made... but then also...

We all can come up with "some names of young men who most people had never heard of before becoming great" coaches of whatever kind...

And to be balanced... we all can come up with many more names of young men who most people had never heard of before... being exposed as not-ready-for-prime-time and eventually getting canned.

Many many more.

There are no sure things.

There are surer things, though, than other things, and that would be the pool of experienced, proven coaches.

"New thinking," as I asserted is hard to come by in actuality in a game that's been played for 100 years. I've made the case that what divides the wheat from the chaff is... discernment and wisdom... can you diagnose/predict what the other team is planning to do... and and... can you prescribe the remedy to blow up their plans using the tools you have on-hand.

"Name?" It's not about name. That a person gains a name is only usually an indication that they've made their mark already. That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.

Circling all the way back to where I started... let the Cincinnati's and the Jacksonville's and the Tennessee's be the proving ground for the up-and-comers, where compensation might actually be more of an issue for a smaller market franchise... but for those like DAL that can amply afford to pay for an established track record of success, it makes no sense to play the lottery and hope that you're going to hit on this newest temporary hot commodity. For every one of those you later would find that you "missed out" on, there's something approaching ten that you have to thank your lucky stars you, indeed, chose to miss out on.
 
No interest in Rsx Ryan

We have enough of a circus around here as is.

I can see Rex waging a two front war of tweets and hot interview comments against Jerry and Schottenheimer at the same time before going out in a hail of bullets

We already have Jerry intentionally giving postgame interviews at the exact same time as Schottenheimer does his postgame, forcing media to decide which to attend.

I can see Rex doing a live post game segment on sportscenter before he even goes into the locker room.
 
Bobhaze said:
Good post Sturt. Here’s where I disagree….

My point is when you limit yourself to former “name” coaches because of their past, you miss the chance to find a new leader no one has heard of yet who has the potential to be the next big name in pro football. Some examples of what I’m talking about:
  • Here some names of young men who most people had never heard of before becoming great defensive coaches:
    • Tom Landry - went from being a player-coach in his early 30s to becoming the giants defensive coordinator and eventually (at age 35) becoming the Cowboys HC. His new ideas led to the most dominant defense in the NFL for two decades- The Flex defense.
    • Dave Wannstedt - Jimmy Johnson’s choice for DC when DW he was 36, coming with Jimmy from Univ of Miami. He was young, tough and open minded. No one had heard of Dave Wannstedt outside of college.
    • Vic Fangio - no 9ne had heard of this guy when at 36 he became the DC for the expansion Carolina Panthers in 1995. He’s had elite defenses for several teams but it all started when he was an unknown.
    • Matt Patricia - became Bill Belechick’s DC in his mid-30s when no one had heard of him. He brought lots of fresh ideas to a defensive team that had already been great.
My point is, even guys we recognize now as “big names” were no names when they got their break.

IMO, this team needs a lot of new thinking. A “name” can be good. But if any organization needs new ideas it’s this one.
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We let Aden Durde walk out the building to Seattle for Zimmer two seasons ago.
Seattle had the number 1 scoring defense at 17.2 ppg this season!
17.2 ppg would have looked pretty nice with this offense!
 
America's Cowboy said:
The perfect young guy to bring in on Defense to pair with Rex Ryan would be Texas Longhorns' D-Coordinator, Will Muschamp.

Lots of Texas players (starters and backups) are suddenly leaving Texas (something is going on there that we don't know about yet). Now would be a good time to lure Will Muschamp away from the Texas Longhorns and pair him up with someone like Rex Ryan.

Type of defense(s) Will Muschamp runs:

Key Characteristics:

  • Formation: Primarily a 3-4 base, but with significant flexibility to shift fronts and coverages.
  • Pressure & Blitzing: Creates "pressure confusion" using stunts, blitzes, and disguised blitzes (zone dogs) to overwhelm offensive lines.
  • Physicality: Demands tough, physical defenders who can set the edge and win one-on-one battles.
  • Defensive Line: Employs space-eating, two-gap nose tackles (like Georgia's Jordan Davis) and athletic edge rushers (Bucks/OLBs) who can rush the passer and drop into coverage.
  • Secondary: Relies on tight man coverage with strong safety help over the top, requiring disciplined DBs.
Goal: To be disruptive, force turnovers, and create negative plays, making offenses uncomfortable and leading to mistakes.
In essence, Muschamp's defense is about creating chaos and leveraging athletic, physical defenders to get into the backfield and disrupt offensive rhythm.

As one can see, Muschamp runs a 3-4 hybrid defense that can switch to a 4-3 or even a 5-2. Very similar to what types of defenses Rex Ryan likes to run. Bringing in both Rex Ryan as D-Coordinator and Will Muschamp as his assistant.
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Honestly this is why everfkus was such a lame hire from day 1. Who wants to watch a fluffy defense?

I wanna see pick 6. And guys like Demarcus ware . As a fan it would be fun to guess who’s blitzing. To have that gotcha moment
 
America's Cowboy said:
The perfect young guy to bring in on Defense to pair with Rex Ryan would be Texas Longhorns' D-Coordinator, Will Muschamp.

Lots of Texas players (starters and backups) are suddenly leaving Texas (something is going on there that we don't know about yet). Now would be a good time to lure Will Muschamp away from the Texas Longhorns and pair him up with someone like Rex Ryan.

Type of defense(s) Will Muschamp runs:

Key Characteristics:

  • Formation: Primarily a 3-4 base, but with significant flexibility to shift fronts and coverages.
  • Pressure & Blitzing: Creates "pressure confusion" using stunts, blitzes, and disguised blitzes (zone dogs) to overwhelm offensive lines.
  • Physicality: Demands tough, physical defenders who can set the edge and win one-on-one battles.
  • Defensive Line: Employs space-eating, two-gap nose tackles (like Georgia's Jordan Davis) and athletic edge rushers (Bucks/OLBs) who can rush the passer and drop into coverage.
  • Secondary: Relies on tight man coverage with strong safety help over the top, requiring disciplined DBs.
Goal: To be disruptive, force turnovers, and create negative plays, making offenses uncomfortable and leading to mistakes.
In essence, Muschamp's defense is about creating chaos and leveraging athletic, physical defenders to get into the backfield and disrupt offensive rhythm.

As one can see, Muschamp runs a 3-4 hybrid defense that can switch to a 4-3 or even a 5-2. Very similar to what types of defenses Rex Ryan likes to run. Bringing in both Rex Ryan as D-Coordinator and Will Muschamp as his assistant.
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Cousin Danny was his DC at Florida from 2011 - 2012. that might be a good pairing i like the idea
 
I’ll repeat give me Jim Schwartz in Cleveland . On a 5 win team you were not playing the Browns and rolling them in the alley like Dallas D . They hit they fought they contested passes . He’s been a success in his NFL stops
 
Is there really something to this idea of a "retread," or is it just a convenient pejorative?

90% of the time I've ever seen the term, it's a convenient pejorative coming from someone with a clear preference/bias for someone young, and often just for the sake of having someone young as-if that should be so high on the priority list. To build up their youthful preference, they have to disparage and tear down the somewhat successful experienced guy.

The only time I ever see it used in any actually-meaningful way is when there's a hire of someone who 10 years ago was hot, but came back down to earth after that, and for the last, say, 5 years has been meh.

You can't become a retread from where I sit until you actually had something like that experience.
 
When it comes to coaching Rex Ryan is a piece of dirt and so are his brother and father. All bums!
 
MarionBarberThe4th said:
I think Jerry is afraid of that big personality turning on him .

Rez could quit week 3 and go back to tv as a huge star who clowned the cowboys
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I can already picture Rex telling Jerry, “I watched every Cowboys game last year. Every single one.” Then he launches into the whole routine about playing to the players’ strengths and fixing the culture, like he’s cracked the code.

Jerry eats it up. Then the season actually happens. Another mess, another wasted year, and Jerry is left in total shock, wondering how a guy who supposedly watched every game managed to make everything worse.
 
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that so many of you want to keep doing things the JonesBoys way of NOT going out and hiring from among the best current DC's. He's got you all trained to aim low.
 
Bobhaze said:
That’s not my only concern, lol. I mean that’s true but Rex Ryan wasn’t that great when he was in the league. And btw, it’s been almost a decade since he was coaching in the NFL. He last coached at Buffalo in 2016. That’s a long time ago.

Put it another way…if Rex Ryan was great, in a league starved for better defensive performance, why has he been unemployed as a DC for so long?
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Yup.
Well said Bob.
In a league starved for better defensive performance...

Full stop.
 
The tension between him (big personality) and Schotstain (no personality) would at least be interesting.
 
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